Wilbon Advocates Intentionally Injuring Brady (1 Viewer)

[Yitbos69]

I am a Skins Fan and I did not like what I saw. They beat us badly. Going for it on 4th down in a blow-out is just bad form. I advocate taking Brady out late if the Pat's are running up the score.....going for it on 4th downs up 30+ in the 4th quarter.

If I were a Pats fan I would want Brady and the other stars out as soon as the game was out of reach. I have seen players get hurt so many times(not on dirty plays) when there was no need for them to be in the game. It is just not smart Football.

 

[monessen]

Am trying to determine why anyone would give 2 seconds to what Michael Wilbon thinks.

Let me give it a few seconds, though. Wilbon writes for The Washington Post and appears on ESPN where he refers to viewers as knuckleheads. The Redskins were trounced by New England. Had the Pats clobbered, say, Houston, would he even cite a need to smack down Brady?

Nope.

 

[redman]

Am trying to determine why anyone would give 2 seconds to what Michael Wilbon thinks.Let me give it a few seconds, though. Wilbon writes for The Washington Post and appears on ESPN where he refers to viewers as knuckleheads. The Redskins were trounced by New England. Had the Pats clobbered, say, Houston, would he even cite a need to smack down Brady?Nope.

First, you don't know Wilbon if you think he's a Redskins homer.Second, Wilbon didn't advocate anything dirty. As I read it he indicated an expectation that NFL players would hit Brady if he's running up the score, and not only that indicated that they should do it cleanly.

 

[tombonneau]

If I were a Pats fan I would want Brady and the other stars out as soon as the game was out of reach. I have seen players get hurt so many times(not on dirty plays) when there was no need for them to be in the game. It is just not smart Football.

I agree. As a Pats fan, I have been screaming at the TV the last few weeks to get the starters out of there.However, I don't have a problem with any of the playcalling. Run the plays you think will work regardless of the score (just do it with the backups, please).The going for it on 4th down vs. kicking a FG debate of what is "classier" is just silly and can be (pointlessly) argued from either side. Peter King made a good point, if they kicked the FG people would be making the same complaints.FWIW, I watched the game with two buddies who are huge Redskins fans and hate Brady & the Pats and they had no problem with how the Pats were playing. However, they had plenty of problems with how the Redskins were playing. I wish more fans were worried/thinking about their own team as much as they are focused on the Pats.

 

[Statorama]

I wish more fans were worried/thinking about their own team as much as they are focused on the Pats.

No problem. GO SAINTS!

 

[monessen]

As to Wilbon possibly not being a Redskins homer, I can only refer to John Feinstein's book NEXT MAN UP when he talks about Ben Bradlee of the paper chewing him out and threatening to fire him if Feinstein didn't express allegiance to the Skins. I understand Wilbon is from Chicago. But, if he's writing sports for The Washington Post, it would be tough for him not to be pro-Redskins. He and a guy named Kornheiser put on a yell-fest each day and it seems they care about the Redskins a great deal.

I truthfully don't know what he said about Brady and injury; I was going by the title of this thread. So, he never said Brady should be injured? So the title of the thread is a misnomer? Oh. What's it doing in here, then?

Still not sure why anyone would give 2 hoots about Wilbon.

 

[thayman]

Stevensville, Md.: What are your thoughts about running up the score? In my opinion it's a teams job to put up points, not save their opponent from embarrassment. The Redskins' players are cashing million dollar paychecks just like the Patriots', so they have no one to blame but themselves for the blowout.

Michael Wilbon: Your thought is my thought. You want somebody not to run it up...don't let 'em. On the other hand, Belichick is a cheat and during games behaves with little class...If I was on the other side my goal would have been for Brady to be helped off the field, by whatever means necessary.

Then I think after realizing what he has said, he sort of kind of tries to back track, but not very convincingly:

Holy ####. I just moved out of Stevensville, MD. Small town right outide of Annapolis, MD. Deja Vu here folks. Are their any names associated with those posts?

Really? I used to live about 20 minutes down the road from Stevensville.......

 

[Yitbos69]

If I were a Pats fan I would want Brady and the other stars out as soon as the game was out of reach. I have seen players get hurt so many times(not on dirty plays) when there was no need for them to be in the game. It is just not smart Football.

I agree. As a Pats fan, I have been screaming at the TV the last few weeks to get the starters out of there.However, I don't have a problem with any of the playcalling. Run the plays you think will work regardless of the score (just do it with the backups, please).The going for it on 4th down vs. kicking a FG debate of what is "classier" is just silly and can be (pointlessly) argued from either side. Peter King made a good point, if they kicked the FG people would be making the same complaints.FWIW, I watched the game with two buddies who are huge Redskins fans and hate Brady & the Pats and they had no problem with how the Pats were playing. However, they had plenty of problems with how the Redskins were playing. I wish more fans were worried/thinking about their own team as much as they are focused on the Pats.

Look don't get me wrong the Pats killed the skins......the Skin did not look good and I have no problem with guy's playing the game all out for 4 quarter. BB and the Pats Organization have no Class or sportsmanship. And it is really sad considering that they are the best team I have ever seen play at this level on both sides of the ball and ST.....they have no weakness......they seem unstoppable!The game this weekend should be very entertaining.

 

[Neofight]

As to Wilbon possibly not being a Redskins homer, I can only refer to John Feinstein's book NEXT MAN UP when he talks about Ben Bradlee of the paper chewing him out and threatening to fire him if Feinstein didn't express allegiance to the Skins. I understand Wilbon is from Chicago. But, if he's writing sports for The Washington Post, it would be tough for him not to be pro-Redskins. He and a guy named Kornheiser put on a yell-fest each day and it seems they care about the Redskins a great deal.

I truthfully don't know what he said about Brady and injury; I was going by the title of this thread. So, he never said Brady should be injured? So the title of the thread is a misnomer? Oh. What's it doing in here, then?

Still not sure why anyone would give 2 hoots about Wilbon.

I believe this was the most inciting quote per Mr. Wilbon:

Stevensville, Md.: What are your thoughts about running up the score? In my opinion it's a teams job to put up points, not save their opponent from embarrassment. The Redskins' players are cashing million dollar paychecks just like the Patriots', so they have no one to blame but themselves for the blowout.

Michael Wilbon: Your thought is my thought. You want somebody not to run it up...don't let 'em. On the other hand, Belichick is a cheat and during games behaves with little class... If I was on the other side my goal would have been for Brady to be helped off the field, by whatever means necessary.

It was obviously irresponsible on his part, but as has been said on multiple occasions, Michael Wilbon is not much of a reporter so much as a talking head and a member of the info-tainment establishment. He did try to back off of the bolded in a follow up question.Lost in all of this talk of running up the score, and more specifically, Brady's role in it is the fact that the last drive he was in on (that lasted until midway through the 4th quarter) began with 2 minutes left in the 3rd quarter, and lasted nearly 8 minutes. It began at the NE 12 yard line and ended with a Brady short pass to Welker for a TD. The drive was a 50/50 split of run vs. pass (6 each) and was a fairly efficient use of both to run the clock down. He did not need to throw the ball, but as Twitch mentioned they likely would have scored via the run. Brady was out on the next series. Does it matter if that touchdown was a run or a pass? Does a QB normally get pulled in the middle of a drive?

 

[rick6668]

Somebody needed to tell that to the '85 Chicago Bears who beat the Patriots 46-10 in the friggin' Superbowl! Or Joe Montana's Niners that beat Elway's Broncos 55-10. Was Montana or the Niners equally as cheesy?? Ive never once heard that in my life. Ive never once in my life thought about complaining about the score of that Bears/Patriots SB. We got manhandled by a better team. There's no shame in that.

Did you watch this game???The Bears did not run up the score.In the 3rd Qtr, up 30-3NE 20 1–10 Grogan screen pass to C. James dropped, incomplete. NE 20 2–10 C. James 3 sweep right (Duerson). NE 23 3–7 Grogan pass to Ramsey left tipped and intercepted by Chicago at NE 28, Phillips 28 return, touchdown (6:16). Butler kicked extra point. Defense Scores to make it 37-3NE 31 1–10 Grogan pass to Morgan batted away (Richardson), incomplete. NE 31 2–10 Grogan 19 pass to Jones (Fencik), fumbled, Marshall recovered for Chicago at 50, 13 return, lateraled to Wilson, no return to NE 37. Chicago (5:43) NE 37 1–10 Payton 7 run right (Nelson). NE 30 2–3 Payton 6 run left (Blackmon). NE 24 1–10 Payton run right, loss of 4 (R. James). NE 28 2–14 McMahon pass to Payton right dropped, incomplete. NE 28 3–14 McMahon 27 pass to Gentry deep right (R. James). NE–1 1–goal Perry 1 run off left tackle, touchdown (3:22). Butler kicked extra point. They only threw the ball on 2-14 and 3-14 (2-14 was a pass to the back)This was still in the 3rd QTRAfter New England scored to make it 44-10Chicago (13:14)C 24 1–10 Payton 7 run left (R. James). C 31 2–3 Payton 1 run middle (Owens). C 32 3–2 Payton 1 sweep left (R. James). C 33 4–1 Buford 41 punt, Fryar 12 return. New England (11:23) NE 38 1–10 Grogan 5 pass to Ramsey (Gayle), fumbled, Singletary recovered for Chicago at NE 43. Chicago (11:16) NE 43 1–10 Fuller pass to Margerum broken up (Lippett), incomplete. NE 43 2–10 Payton 3 sweep right (Lippett). NE 40 3–7 Fuller pass to Payton left incomplete. NE 40 4–7 Buford 36 punt downed at NE 4. They passed on 1st down here and on 3-7New England (10:06) NE 4 1–10 Grogan pass to Fryar deep overthrown, incomplete. NE 4 2–10 Grogan 15 screen pass to Morgan (Rivera). NE 19 1–10 Grogan 11 screen pass to Collins (Hartenstine). NE 30 1–10 Grogan 16 pass to Fryar left sideline. NE 46 1–10 Grogan pass intercepted at C 48, Morrissey 47 return (Jones). NE 5 1–goal Payton 1 run middle (Creswell). NE 4 2–goal Payton 1 run left. Play nullified and Chicago penalized 10 for illegal block (Moorehead). NE 14 2–goal Fuller pass to Margerum incomplete. Play nullified and Chicago penalized 5 from spot of foul with loss of down for illegal forward pass (Fuller). NE 18 3–goal C. Thomas 7 run middle (R. James). NE 11 4–goal Payton 6 run middle (Owens). Next possession for ChicagoChicago (5:36)Camarillo free kick to C 24, Gault 4 return (Hawthorne). C 28 1–10 Fuller sacked, loss of 11 (B. Thomas). C 17 2–21 Fuller pass to Wrightman overthrown, incomplete. C 17 3–21 Fuller pass to Gentry right overthrown, incomplete. C 17 4–21 Buford 44 runt, Fryar 10 return (Tomczak). They passed but in long yardage situationsTo end the gameChicago (3:30) C 20 1–10 Sanders 3 run left (Owens). C 23 2–7 Suhey 1 run off right tackle (Rembert). Play nullified and New England penalized 5 for offsides. C 28 2–2 Suhey 7 sweep left (Marion). C 35 1–10 Sanders 6 run off left tackle (B. Thomas). C 41 2–4 Sanders 10 run middle (Marion). NE 49 1–10 Sanders sweep left, loss of 4 (Ingram). Last time they scored was with 3:22 left in the 3rd Qtr.49'ers- BroncosFirst play of the 4th QtrD 3 2–goal Rathman 3 run middle, touchdown (14:57). Cofer kicked extra point. San Francisco scoring drive: 75 yards, 11 plays, 6:56.San Francisco 48, Denver 10 Denver (14:57)Cofer kick to D 1, Carrington 22 return (Romanowski). D 23 1–10 Elway sacked, loss of 6 (Stubbs). D 17 2–16 Elway 9 screen pass to Winder. Play nullified and San Francisco penalized 5 for offsides (Stubbs). D 22 2–11 Elway sacked, loss of 6 (Griffin), fumbled, Stubbs recovered for San Francisco at D 16, 15 return (Sewell). San Francisco (13:51) D 1 1–goal Craig 1 run right tackle, touchdown (13:47). Cofer kicked extra point. San Francisco scoring drive: 1 yard, 1 play, :04.San Francisco 55, Denver 10Gave them the ball at the 1 yard line. Ran it in.49ers next possessionSF 38 1–10 Flagler run left end, no gain (Dennison). SF 38 2–10 Flagler run right end, loss of 4 (M. Brooks). SF 34 3–14 S. Young pass to Walls incomplete. SF 34 4–14 Helton 47 punt downed at D 19. Next oneSan Francisco (6:58) SF 32 1–10 Flagler 7 run right tackle. Play nullified and San Francisco penalized 10 for holding (Tausch). SF 22 1–20 Flagler 3 run right tackle (Powers). SF 25 2–17 S. Young 7 pass to Sydney middle (Dennison). SF 32 3–10 S. Young 13 pass to Sherrard left (Carrington). SF 45 1–10 Flagler 4 run left (Townsend). SF 49 2–6 Flagler 10 run right (Dennison). D 41 1–10 Flagler 1 run left end (Carrington). D 40 2–9 Sydney 2 run middle (Powers). Two–Minute Warning. D 38 3–7 S. Young 11 run evading pass rush (out of bounds). D 27 1–10 S. Young knelt down, loss of 2. D 29 2–12 S. Young knelt down, loss of 1. D 30 3–13 S. Young knelt down, loss of 2. Only passed twice 2-17 and 3-10.This is all about running up the score. Bears and 49ers did not do it. Patriots did this week.

 

[redman]

As to Wilbon possibly not being a Redskins homer, I can only refer to John Feinstein's book NEXT MAN UP when he talks about Ben Bradlee of the paper chewing him out and threatening to fire him if Feinstein didn't express allegiance to the Skins. I understand Wilbon is from Chicago. But, if he's writing sports for The Washington Post, it would be tough for him not to be pro-Redskins. He and a guy named Kornheiser put on a yell-fest each day and it seems they care about the Redskins a great deal.

I truthfully don't know what he said about Brady and injury; I was going by the title of this thread. So, he never said Brady should be injured? So the title of the thread is a misnomer? Oh. What's it doing in here, then?

Still not sure why anyone would give 2 hoots about Wilbon.

I haven't read that book, but knowing 'Skins history the story almost certainly dates back to the Jack Kent Cooke era when the Post was cozy with the team. That's not the case anymore and in fact the Post has been embroiled in a well-publicized fued with Snyder & Co. over its coverage of the team. As a guy who reads the Post regularly for Redskins info, including Wilbon's occasional columns on the team (he's not the beat writer, and he writes opinion pieces about all sports, and often about players and teams not in D.C.), I can tell you that there's not a trace of homerism in him for the 'Skins. If you see homerism at all its for the Chicago teams he grew up rooting for as a kid.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Somebody needed to tell that to the '85 Chicago Bears who beat the Patriots 46-10 in the friggin' Superbowl! Or Joe Montana's Niners that beat Elway's Broncos 55-10. Was Montana or the Niners equally as cheesy?? Ive never once heard that in my life. Ive never once in my life thought about complaining about the score of that Bears/Patriots SB. We got manhandled by a better team. There's no shame in that.

Did you watch this game???The Bears did not run up the score.In the 3rd Qtr, up 30-3NE 20 1–10 Grogan screen pass to C. James dropped, incomplete. NE 20 2–10 C. James 3 sweep right (Duerson). NE 23 3–7 Grogan pass to Ramsey left tipped and intercepted by Chicago at NE 28, Phillips 28 return, touchdown (6:16). Butler kicked extra point. Defense Scores to make it 37-3NE 31 1–10 Grogan pass to Morgan batted away (Richardson), incomplete. NE 31 2–10 Grogan 19 pass to Jones (Fencik), fumbled, Marshall recovered for Chicago at 50, 13 return, lateraled to Wilson, no return to NE 37. Chicago (5:43) NE 37 1–10 Payton 7 run right (Nelson). NE 30 2–3 Payton 6 run left (Blackmon). NE 24 1–10 Payton run right, loss of 4 (R. James). NE 28 2–14 McMahon pass to Payton right dropped, incomplete. NE 28 3–14 McMahon 27 pass to Gentry deep right (R. James). NE–1 1–goal Perry 1 run off left tackle, touchdown (3:22). Butler kicked extra point. They only threw the ball on 2-14 and 3-14 (2-14 was a pass to the back)This was still in the 3rd QTRAfter New England scored to make it 44-10Chicago (13:14)C 24 1–10 Payton 7 run left (R. James). C 31 2–3 Payton 1 run middle (Owens). C 32 3–2 Payton 1 sweep left (R. James). C 33 4–1 Buford 41 punt, Fryar 12 return. New England (11:23) NE 38 1–10 Grogan 5 pass to Ramsey (Gayle), fumbled, Singletary recovered for Chicago at NE 43. Chicago (11:16) NE 43 1–10 Fuller pass to Margerum broken up (Lippett), incomplete. NE 43 2–10 Payton 3 sweep right (Lippett). NE 40 3–7 Fuller pass to Payton left incomplete. NE 40 4–7 Buford 36 punt downed at NE 4. They passed on 1st down here and on 3-7New England (10:06) NE 4 1–10 Grogan pass to Fryar deep overthrown, incomplete. NE 4 2–10 Grogan 15 screen pass to Morgan (Rivera). NE 19 1–10 Grogan 11 screen pass to Collins (Hartenstine). NE 30 1–10 Grogan 16 pass to Fryar left sideline. NE 46 1–10 Grogan pass intercepted at C 48, Morrissey 47 return (Jones). NE 5 1–goal Payton 1 run middle (Creswell). NE 4 2–goal Payton 1 run left. Play nullified and Chicago penalized 10 for illegal block (Moorehead). NE 14 2–goal Fuller pass to Margerum incomplete. Play nullified and Chicago penalized 5 from spot of foul with loss of down for illegal forward pass (Fuller). NE 18 3–goal C. Thomas 7 run middle (R. James). NE 11 4–goal Payton 6 run middle (Owens). Next possession for ChicagoChicago (5:36)Camarillo free kick to C 24, Gault 4 return (Hawthorne). C 28 1–10 Fuller sacked, loss of 11 (B. Thomas). C 17 2–21 Fuller pass to Wrightman overthrown, incomplete. C 17 3–21 Fuller pass to Gentry right overthrown, incomplete. C 17 4–21 Buford 44 runt, Fryar 10 return (Tomczak). They passed but in long yardage situationsTo end the gameChicago (3:30) C 20 1–10 Sanders 3 run left (Owens). C 23 2–7 Suhey 1 run off right tackle (Rembert). Play nullified and New England penalized 5 for offsides. C 28 2–2 Suhey 7 sweep left (Marion). C 35 1–10 Sanders 6 run off left tackle (B. Thomas). C 41 2–4 Sanders 10 run middle (Marion). NE 49 1–10 Sanders sweep left, loss of 4 (Ingram). Last time they scored was with 3:22 left in the 3rd Qtr.49'ers- BroncosFirst play of the 4th QtrD 3 2–goal Rathman 3 run middle, touchdown (14:57). Cofer kicked extra point. San Francisco scoring drive: 75 yards, 11 plays, 6:56.San Francisco 48, Denver 10 Denver (14:57)Cofer kick to D 1, Carrington 22 return (Romanowski). D 23 1–10 Elway sacked, loss of 6 (Stubbs). D 17 2–16 Elway 9 screen pass to Winder. Play nullified and San Francisco penalized 5 for offsides (Stubbs). D 22 2–11 Elway sacked, loss of 6 (Griffin), fumbled, Stubbs recovered for San Francisco at D 16, 15 return (Sewell). San Francisco (13:51) D 1 1–goal Craig 1 run right tackle, touchdown (13:47). Cofer kicked extra point. San Francisco scoring drive: 1 yard, 1 play, :04.San Francisco 55, Denver 10Gave them the ball at the 1 yard line. Ran it in.49ers next possessionSF 38 1–10 Flagler run left end, no gain (Dennison). SF 38 2–10 Flagler run right end, loss of 4 (M. Brooks). SF 34 3–14 S. Young pass to Walls incomplete. SF 34 4–14 Helton 47 punt downed at D 19. Next oneSan Francisco (6:58) SF 32 1–10 Flagler 7 run right tackle. Play nullified and San Francisco penalized 10 for holding (Tausch). SF 22 1–20 Flagler 3 run right tackle (Powers). SF 25 2–17 S. Young 7 pass to Sydney middle (Dennison). SF 32 3–10 S. Young 13 pass to Sherrard left (Carrington). SF 45 1–10 Flagler 4 run left (Townsend). SF 49 2–6 Flagler 10 run right (Dennison). D 41 1–10 Flagler 1 run left end (Carrington). D 40 2–9 Sydney 2 run middle (Powers). Two–Minute Warning. D 38 3–7 S. Young 11 run evading pass rush (out of bounds). D 27 1–10 S. Young knelt down, loss of 2. D 29 2–12 S. Young knelt down, loss of 1. D 30 3–13 S. Young knelt down, loss of 2. Only passed twice 2-17 and 3-10.This is all about running up the score. Bears and 49ers did not do it. Patriots did this week.

Wow.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Forgive me for not reading the 30+ pages on this subject in the Forum, so perhaps this has been pointed out elsewhere- if so, I apologize. Just wondering, with respect to those of you making the "they're professionals, the Redskins have one of the best secondaries in the NFL, etc., etc." argument ... does the following make any difference to you?

Carlos Rogers left the game early (torn ACL, out for the season).

Fred Smoot, the Skins' nickel back, was inactive for the game.

Sean Springs has been absent from Redskins practices for the better part of the last two weeks to be with his father, who I believe is in a coma.

Rocky McIntosh and Marcus Washington, two of the three Redskins' starting LBs, were severely limited by injury.

Does that change any feelings that "these guys are professionals, why shouldn't the Pats throw 35-yard bombs up 38-0 in the 4th quarter" argument? Does that make the Pats' actions any "less classy"? Or does it not matter at all?

These aren't rhetorical questions- I'm legitimately curious. Personally, I thought it was pretty classless and maybe even warranting of a late hit or two (not to the knee, but certainly a gesture of some kind). But I may have felt somewhat different about it if Smoot and Rogers were out there on the field in the 4th and the rest of the D was at 100%. Again, just one guy's opinion. Reasonable people may disagree.

 

[parrot]

Chicago (5:36)Camarillo free kick to C 24, Gault 4 return (Hawthorne). C 28 1–10 Fuller sacked, loss of 11 (B. Thomas). C 17 2–21 Fuller pass to Wrightman overthrown, incomplete. C 17 3–21 Fuller pass to Gentry right overthrown, incomplete. C 17 4–21 Buford 44 runt, Fryar 10 return (Tomczak). They passed but in long yardage situationsTo end the game

Long yardage situations created by a sack on first down. Also, the 85 Bears were 26th in passing attempts and 25th in completions. They were first in rushing attempts and yards. They scored 17 TDs through the air and 27 on the ground.

 

[Swampy]

Why do you think Bi-chick pulled Brady out of the game. He has an ego above the Himalays but Bi-chick isnt stupid. He knew that by running up as much as possible could get his qb killed, so he pulled him.

 

[The Jerk]

I believe GregR was having a hypothetical conversation with Tom Brady in his post, not Tom Bonneau, but thank you for the case of mistaken identity.

I guess I think a lot of people are making way too big of a deal of throwing a couple of passes in the 4th quarter.

While it might not be the nicest thing in the world for a team to do, I certainly wouldn't equate it with a "level of disgust and indignation at their attitude, classlessness, and general disrespect for the league, the commissioner, their opponents, and ultimately the game itself."

That's just a wee bit over the top IMO.

I suppose I'll just avoid all Patriot threads for the rest of the season. It will certainly improve my work productivity.

I'm not having any case of mistaken identity, but you appear to be having a problem with comprehending my post. We've been down this road before. Did you make this post or not? (my bold for emphasis)

If Charles Barkley said this no one would blink. He says what everyone else is thinking but doesn't have the balls to say. I applaud Wilbon, even if he backtracked like a crab afterwards. Now, if would have said taking a shot at his knee from the blind side - that's one thing. I disagree with that. But do I also agree that a message needs to be sent to the arrogant Patriots? Absolutely. A late, late knockout type hard hit to the back would do the trick. Must be in the 4th quarter when they are up 40+ points though after he drops back to pass. And based on these boards, I think you could easily find 100,000 people to kick in a buck each to pay for the fine. My check is in the mail.

The mindless trolls that have cropped up in the pool to spout their hatred I don't mind so much. But when posters like you, Judge, and MoP, who I respect and have interacted with for years on these boards join in, it kind of stinks.

Secondly, my point concerning "level of disgust and indignation at their attitude, classlessness, and general disrespect for the league, the commissioner, their opponents, and ultimately the game itself" does not concern the attitude shown by the Patriots (though at least some of it arguably could) but rather the attitude of posters to this forum and football fans in general toward the Patriots. Again, reading comprehension. It's a beautiful thing.Finally, pretend if you will that it's about a couple of passes thrown in one fourth quarter. It just reinforces the fact that you're missing concerning these other posters you respect. If you believe that many others whose objectivity you have learned to trust suddenly seem no longer capable of being objective, then perhaps it's time to wonder if maybe it's your objectivity that should be questioned.

 

[831hoops]

The Patriots are one play away from having this whole thing implode on them. If Brady goes down that team is done!!! I don't know if you guys have ever played football but there is a different mentality on the defensive side of the ball. Don't be surprised if like 10 years from now when they are interviewing retired players on NFL films that it is divulged that there is now a bounty on Bradys knee and that about 20-30 players from the 8 teams that the Patriots have left to play have kicked in 10 grand a piece to cover the fine and keep whats left. My money is on Terrell Suggs. Thats all I'm going to say about that!

 

[831hoops]

Absolutely, 100% agree with Wilbon. I don't in any way think it is wrong to run the score up. If the other team can't stop them, that is there fault. But hey, you want to rub it in disrespectfully, I would expect the defense to disrespect the Pats right back. And if that means smacking them in the face, taking a player out, we know who started it. The defense is just protecting their reputation.

You mean their reputation of getting lit up?

 

[SR388]

Why do you think Bi-chick pulled Brady out of the game. He has an ego above the Himalays but Bi-chick isnt stupid. He knew that by running up as much as possible could get his qb killed, so he pulled him.

What? Clearly somebody hasn't been paying attention.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Forgive me for not reading the 30+ pages on this subject in the Forum, so perhaps this has been pointed out elsewhere- if so, I apologize. Just wondering, with respect to those of you making the "they're professionals, the Redskins have one of the best secondaries in the NFL, etc., etc." argument ... does the following make any difference to you?Carlos Rogers left the game early (torn ACL, out for the season).Fred Smoot, the Skins' nickel back, was inactive for the game.Sean Springs has been absent from Redskins practices for the better part of the last two weeks to be with his father, who I believe is in a coma.Rocky McIntosh and Marcus Washington, two of the three Redskins' starting LBs, were severely limited by injury.Does that change any feelings that "these guys are professionals, why shouldn't the Pats throw 35-yard bombs up 38-0 in the 4th quarter" argument? Does that make the Pats' actions any "less classy"? Or does it not matter at all?These aren't rhetorical questions- I'm legitimately curious. Personally, I thought it was pretty classless and maybe even warranting of a late hit or two (not to the knee, but certainly a gesture of some kind). But I may have felt somewhat different about it if Smoot and Rogers were out there on the field in the 4th and the rest of the D was at 100%. Again, just one guy's opinion. Reasonable people may disagree.

It makes no difference. If the Patriots lose all their key players over the next 3years and the Skins become the best in the league, and the two teams play, Washington players and coaches should do everything in their power to play 60 minutes of football, without consideration of whether Jabaar Gafney's Mom has sciatica. 45-0 at the early part of the fourth quarter, then pull your starters. I'll say congratulations on the ### whooping.

 

[Buckna]

In the immortal words of Chris Rock:

I'm not saying he should have killed her, but I understand.

I wouldn't condone a player intentionally trying to injure another player with a cheapshot, but I understand.

 

[Shrek]

Ive said it before, Ill say it again. bad Karma = the 1-7 NY Jets. You throw your former mentor under the bus after all the guy did for you, basically the only reason youre a head coach, when you could have handled the situation differently, you get what you deserve. good karma = 8-0 NE Patriots who are winning games like any good team would. Showing no mercy, not looking past you for a second, and shaking your hand after theyve handed your ### to you. bad karma has absolutely nothing to do with hurt feelings. sorry.

What do you think Belichick would do if he saw Tony Dungy videotaping the Patriots sidelines this weekend? Do nothing, right? Belichick has always held back in his pursuit of winning games.

Dude, we both know he'd be smart enough to have an answer to that. But do I think he'd have NFL officials ready and waiting there on the spot to make a huge public spectacle out of it? We both know the answer to that question. Mangini is cheese. He stabbed the back of the very person that put him in his current position. Its not as if NE needed him. They have not missed that guy one bit. Im sure youre not going to argue that. He's getting what he deserves. This was a 10-6 team that's slid to 1-7. Give me the specific breakdowns of that collapse.

On a side note, I think it's hilarious that people think Mangini owes Belicheat something. He doesn't owe him jack ####. It's not as if the hobo magnanimously shook his hand, thanked him for his service, and wished him luck. Just in case anyone forgot, he acted like a total jack### and wouldn't even shake hands after the games, talk to Mangini or even mention his name. And you think Mangini was the one being "cheese"? Laughable, really.

 

[BusterTBronco]

Maybe Wilbon knows what he is talking about.