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I've been on this bandwagon for three weeks now.Nobody else seems to want to panic, but he's just not getting it done.
you mean the two weeks Jennings didnt play?
He'd only be a No. 3 WR in 6-8 team leagues.
And in 2 and 4 team leagues, too.While there are some 8 man leagues, they are very rare. And you know what? Driver would likely be a top 16 WR drafted as well. There is no reasonable league that I could think of where he would not be a #2 at this point. How short are people's memories at times?
You can talk about his past and his targets all your want, but until he puts up another game with more than 5 for 60, he's nothing but a #3.Those in the know have said Jennings and Jones have cut into DD's love, and thats exactly it. Not only that, all the deep routes are being run by Jennings and Jones, with Driver frequently in the slot. He doesn't even have the opportunities to put up previous yrs numbers.I think he probably will have a slightly better second half, but how cant he. Over what, 6 games? He has 412 yds and 2 TDs. If you think thats Top 20 WR numbers you're kidding yourself.Im trying to move him as we speak with Chatman for Andre Johnson
As I said - short memories on this site. Man, I wish I could trade AJ for Driver AND Chatman. I might trade AJ for either one of those players on their own.
You were supporting DD a few weeks ago when both myself and RaiderNation were saying we don't like Driver this year and doubt he produces up to expectations.Your argument is getting weaker by the week
Nothing substantial has changed in those few weeks. Its been a bye and a disappointing week before then. That is hardly enough sample size to change my opinion.You are willing to sell him at a firesale price for a WR who may very well not return to form at all this year and who won't play until week 11 at best. If you received good value for Driver I could understand that in your opinion, he is no longer a viable #2. I say this is the sentiment of many many owners every year on driver and he performs more like a #1 when all is said and done, than a #2. Nothing is different this year - including the presence of other WRs. Well, one thing has changed - they pass a TON because GB has no running game.So if you, and other owners, want to once AGAIN undervalue Driver, be my guest. Sure there is a chance that he continues to disappoint. Far more of a chance that he returns to his norm since the situation suggests that is likely - as has been the case many times in the past.
Short memories of what? A GB team that had only 1 good WR for every year (minus Walker '04) and a running game to take pressure off of Favre?Not only are Jennings are Jones stealing a lot of numbers from Driver, but they're getting the TD's too. Where's DD in the red zone?For someone who has been as consistent game to game as Driver has the last 5 years, he's had 2 good games, 4 very bad games. How many other consensus Top 12 WR's going into this year have been that bad this year barring injury? I cant think of any
Consensus top 12 = WR 1. We are right now talking about DD as a #2. Again, point to me 20 WRs that would be drafted ahead of Driver if held today - and really 24 since many leagues are 12+.Like I said, this guy is undervalued time and time again. If you sell low whenever a player has 1/4 of the season where he slumps, you will simply not help your fantasy team overall. If you can get top 12 WR value for him, great. If you can get a #22 WR for him, I would hold. And a #22 is still a #2 WR in most leagues.
Actually they're saying AJ has as good of a shot at being back week 9 as week 11 now. And how thats a firesale on Driver, for a WR who posted 300 yards and 3 TDs the first 2 weeks, is beyond me. FWIW, Ive been starting Mason over Driver lately and its been paying off. At least I KNOW Im getting 7-8 pts each week from him.I don't know how nothing is different as far as the wr's this year is valid at all. Jennings only played about 4 games last year prior to his injury. When was Driver best? Later in the season when GJ was on the sidelines. And as we all know, Jones was still in NCAA.
I said PRESEASON Top 12 WR. And yes, he is perennially undervalued, but Im not feeling it this year. Aside from the stats that show it, call it gut.Theres probably 16-18 guys Id rather have than him, but I already have 3 on my team. I agree don't trade him for say Donte Stallworth, but I don't think he puts up in the second half like the past.(Note: Driver has 8 more pts in my league than AJ, and has played 4 more games. Maybe you should look into that trade
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Instead of pointing your stupid finger look at last years and this years targets. You'll see he is being targeted much the same but isn't doing as much with them. It isn't Jennings, it's where he's playing and against whom. I'm still starting him.you mean the two weeks Jennings didnt play?
Instead of pointing your stupid finger look at last years and this years targets. You'll see he is being targeted much the same but isn't doing as much with them. It isn't Jennings, it's where he's playing and against whom. I'm still starting him.you mean the two weeks Jennings didnt play?
Pointing my stupid finger huh? Why dont you step back and look at what I said for what its worth. You state the first two weeks he got 12 targets each week. Great, nice point. I simply reminded everyone here that the Packers were without Jennings, the #2 WR, for those weeks. So of course he targets will be up. I dont see why you took offense to that.Then to sweeten the deal, you follow up with his amount of targets are similar, but he isnt doing as much with them. So again, how does that indicate he will rebound? As a pervious poster indicated, Jennings is really now the deep threat. Driver seems to excel at the slant patters but isnt breaking anything long from them. So I do see a few more 6 catch 60 yard days ahead.I dont agree with the OP that Driver isnt a solid #2. I think Driver will finish in the top 20. Heck, maybe even the top 12. I just cant sit here and watch everyone say Driver is a top tier WR this season because he has been for the last few years. Fantasy Football just doesnt work like that. Teams change. Driver does have more playmakers around him than in the past years. He is being used differently in the O, so one has to expect the stat line to change.Instead of pointing your stupid finger look at last years and this years targets. You'll see he is being targeted much the same but isn't doing as much with them. It isn't Jennings, it's where he's playing and against whom. I'm still starting him.you mean the two weeks Jennings didnt play?
Look at the targets and stats. Driver was fine week 3 and 4 when Jennings played. It's the last 2 weeks his numbers were down and saying it was because of Jennings doesn't answer why. Driver is still making catches but doing less with them. Why? It's deeper than saying more players are on the field. I don't knoiw the answer either, but know it's more than just Jennings. Saying Driver has more competition doesn't work either because when he was the #2 with Javon there he still put up over 1200 yards a year. When he was the #2 and when he was really the only WR on the field he stayed remarkably consistent even when he had double andftriple coverage. He is down the last 2 games.His numbers in a PPR league. 2 games do not make a change. It's too early to say those things. 1 12.60 vs Eagles 2 23.30 at Giants 3 24.60 vs Chargers 4 12.80 at Vikings 5 9.10 vs Bears 6 8.80 vs Redskins
As I said in an earlier post, Jennings and Jones are getting all the deep routes. I never remember Driver playing the slot, and from what I've seen he's been the slot WR at least 75% of the time in 3-wide sets.Yes, he's still good in PPR leagues, but look at his YPC avg:
Driver has never been their primary long ball target. He makes his living making a 5 or 15 yard slant into a 50 yard TD, and otherwise is a great possession receiver. It has been his ability to change a possession play into a big gain which has given him both consistency and some upside.You say he doesnt have opportunity, but we already discussed his targets, which are relatively in line with career numbers. That, plus a very favorable schedule = good opportunity.
I never said he doesn't have opportunities, his targets show He does.I said he isn't getting big play opportunities, which in turn limit yardage and TD production to a degree. See Randy Moss, Lee Evans, Edwards, Mason, etc and how their routes and opportunities are effecting their stats (to each his own).
They are coming off the bye. I don't see why you wouldnt expect considerably better production over the second half of the season... he has disappointed, but even so has had some good games and in PPR leagues has been solid in most other weeks. Seems like a hold or trade for - not trade away.
I wouldn't think about trading him in PPR, and I do expect an increase in productionI dont see him ending the season with much over 1000/6, and I think going in more people saw him as something like 1150/8, or at least I did. In PPR it should balance out somewhat as I think he will end up with 90 catches, maybe more. It'll only gets harder to produce as weather worsens though too.
I agree, most of Drivers big plays are not bombs or fly pattersn they are the 8-10 yard slant that he breaks through for big gains. The D seems to have have taken that play away.
Please keep in mind that the Bears and Skins offer two defensive secondaries that have typically been tough to throw on... the 4th quarter against the Lions notwithstanding (which, btw, can be explained as all 4 starting DB's were injured at that point)As many have already pointed out the Packers schedule lightens up after the face Denver on MNF and Driver should be an upper end #2 WR for weeks 9-15, facing several favorable matchups over that stretch
It comes down to targets and opportunities. That was one nice goaline opportunity, and Driver gets his share of those (many on slants). Yes, Jennings and Jones are good - but there should be enough to go around here, especially for Jennings and Driver.
ask Steve Smith ....
I guess you missed when they JUST missed the fade to the corner of the endzone. Or when Favre flat missed Driver, open in the endzone who was again the primary goaline target on another play.
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Driver's had numerous HORRIBLE games this year. Jennings and Jones are now eclipsing him in targets, catches and yards. Driver is a has-been. He has something like 5 targets this game. That's pathetic for a No. 1 receiver. Jennings is Favre's new No. 1you gotta love this place
Driver's two previous games 4.5 catches for 45 yards (vs CHI and WAS). I really don't understand what's going on with this guy.
He looked like he was sleepwalking tonight.
The end result was certainly sub par - but he had two great targets that were almost TDs. His day's as a surprise #1 are over, but (especially in ppr leagues where I have him) I still believe he is a decent #2 with some upside from here out. If you are the trading type, could represent a great buy low, imo. Jennings looks great though, I can't deny that. With his terrible preseason you wondered what would happen with him, but he is doing well. That said, without the last chuck, his day was not overwhelming either.
2 targets in the redzone. 4 targets outside of it. 6 targets isn't what one expects from a #1 receiver. Favre locks in on his TEs and RBs that he sometimes forgets he has a WR on the field (until he wants to throw a bomb). I'm not sure what was the problem with Driver today...or last week...or the week before. Let's hope he gets his head out of his ### soon and starts catching the ball. He is 32...but that isn't old for a WR of his calibur.
Koya...is that you I see turning a corner ?!? No, it can't be.Driver - 3/28J&J Co - 9/248 2 TDsJust thrown in the towel now man. Driver is slippin, probly still feelin the preseason injury, and has too many young, fast, talented WR's around him.Driver's days as a sleeper are long gone. Driver's days as a weekly starter are recent history. He simply is no longer a starter based on anything but matchup. And even then, I can't see myself starting him. He's trade bait from here on.Koya said:
I don't think it's so much Driver, but the fact that the other guys around Driver (including Donald Lee) have developed as well into bona fide threats. Not unlike when Walker, Driver and Ferguson were all together and productive.Good for the Favre and the Packers passing game, but bad for us Driver owners.EdwardCat said:
