Will Republicans shut down the government again? (1 Viewer)

[Sweet J]

Looks like the odds just increased with Boehner's resignation...

I think the opposite. Boehner's not leaving until October. Odds of a shutdown just went way down.

IMO there's no way that those wanting/forcing him out are going to agree to any kind of long term deal. They may agree to a very short term one in exchange for one of their own taking the seat, but that just means trouble when that happens.

More importantly, the debt ceiling is scheduled to be reached in Nov/Dec again...

Boehner only needed the Tea Party votes if he was worried about keeping his Speakership. Now he's free to just put up a clean bill for a vote, and he'll get all the Dems to vote for it.

I agree that the debt ceiling thing has a lot of question marks now, we'll need to see who becomes the new Speaker to get an idea of how that might go.

So what are the odds that this is resolved by Tuesday morning?

 

[bakes]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

A party that shows fiscal restraint, a concern for people other than billionaires and corporations and the placation of same, and is socially liberal or at least libertarian would likely garner a lot of support.

 

[NCCommish]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

 

[fightingillini]

I always believed that the 2016 election, just like the 2012 election, is for the GOP to lose.

And they look like they are going to do it again. Why on earth do you want to shut down the government over an issue that you can't pass UNLESS YOU WIN THE PRESIDENCY.

I just don't understand the GOP sometimes.

 

[CBusAlex]

The monies given to PP should be broken up into reasonable chunks and put out for open bid on grants.gov or something similar.

Just hypothetically speaking, if this were already they way it worked, and it were the Republicans trying to pick winners and losers by making PP specifically ineligible for those contracts, would that cause you to side with the Democrats in this case?

Yes - as despicable as what PP had been doing if they managed to stay on the right side of laws they should be allowed.

Well, it looks to me like what you described is how it works already. Here is the current law - no mention of Planned Parenthood, any nonprofit that provides health care services could apply for the same grants they do. And here is the bill that passed the house barring Planned Parenthood from receiving any of that money.

 

[humpback]

Looks like the odds just increased with Boehner's resignation...

I think the opposite. Boehner's not leaving until October. Odds of a shutdown just went way down.

IMO there's no way that those wanting/forcing him out are going to agree to any kind of long term deal. They may agree to a very short term one in exchange for one of their own taking the seat, but that just means trouble when that happens.

More importantly, the debt ceiling is scheduled to be reached in Nov/Dec again...

Boehner only needed the Tea Party votes if he was worried about keeping his Speakership. Now he's free to just put up a clean bill for a vote, and he'll get all the Dems to vote for it.

I agree that the debt ceiling thing has a lot of question marks now, we'll need to see who becomes the new Speaker to get an idea of how that might go.

It's also about his reputation/legacy. I have no idea what his aspirations are beyond this, but he could be closing a lot of doors for himself based on how this all shakes out.

In any event, this next shutdown possibility is only the beginning.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Mr. Boehners surprise announcement came just a day after Pope Francis visited the Capitol, the fulfillment of a 20-year dream for Mr. Boehner of having a pontiff address Congress. He had a private audience with Francis before the popes address to a joint meeting of Congress.

Interesting.

 

[bakes]

Mr. Boehners surprise announcement came just a day after Pope Francis visited the Capitol, the fulfillment of a 20-year dream for Mr. Boehner of having a pontiff address Congress. He had a private audience with Francis before the popes address to a joint meeting of Congress.

Interesting

Boehner may have literally had a "come to Jesus" moment and decided that he could no longer tolerate being pulled in 17 directions, and that resignation may be his best chance to come to peace with himself. Would not be surprised.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

 

[NCCommish]

Mr. Boehners surprise announcement came just a day after Pope Francis visited the Capitol, the fulfillment of a 20-year dream for Mr. Boehner of having a pontiff address Congress. He had a private audience with Francis before the popes address to a joint meeting of Congress.

Interesting

Boehner may have literally had a "come to Jesus" moment and decided that he could no longer tolerate being pulled in 17 directions, and that resignation may be his best chance to come to peace with himself. Would not be surprised.

If so good for him and I hope he gets what he wants.

 

[Sand]

I got out of government contracting because of the last shut down. When the shutdown was over, the government employees were paid for the time the government was shut down & I heard them talking about what a nice vacation it was, where there went etc. I was considered "essential" and worked without pay until the government finally paid the company I worked for (well after the shut down ended).

Your company didn't cover the nut while the govt. was on vacation? Pretty crappy there.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

Very true.

However, if someone like Ted bleeping Cruz becomes the new Speaker, the GOP will become even more of a national joke than they already are.

 

[Fennis]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

A party that shows fiscal restraint, a concern for people other than billionaires and corporations and the placation of same, and is socially liberal or at least libertarian would likely garner a lot of support.

You summed up Gary Johnson's LP 2012 platform. He got 1% of the vote.

 

[joffer]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

A party that shows fiscal restraint, a concern for people other than billionaires and corporations and the placation of same, and is socially liberal or at least libertarian would likely garner a lot of support.

You summed up Gary Johnson's LP 2012 platform. He got 1% of the vote.

give him equal $$$ and what do you think that number would be. Most of my friends never heard of Gary Johnson

 

[jon_mx]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

Very true.

However, if someone like Ted bleeping Cruz becomes the new Speaker, the GOP will become even more of a national joke than they already are.

Yeah it would be a bad joke. About as funny as if the Dems made Nancy Pelosi speaker.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

give him equal $$$

Doesn't sound very Libertarian to me.

 

[bakes]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

Very true.

However, if someone like Ted bleeping Cruz becomes the new Speaker, the GOP will become even more of a national joke than they already are.

Yeah it would be a bad joke. About as funny as if the Dems made Nancy Pelosi speaker.

At least Pelosi is an adult.

 

[T J]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

No kidding. If you don't think a a whole bunch of people who are "democrat" wouldn't jump ship also, then you're just nuts.

 

[bakes]

I know more than a few people who are fiscally conservative but vote Democrat because they despise both the whackadoodle social policies of the Republicans (we are small government until it comes to your church or your bedroom, then we are all up in that ####) and the "billionaires first" nature of supply side. You can have demand side fiscal conservatism, but you don't hear a peep from the Dimon/Koch controlled side of things.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Who's the front runner for the New Speaker?

Thats going to be a war.

People are going to say I'm being dramatic but if the Cruz faction seizes control they may end the Republicans as a true national party.

A third party's been needed for a long time. Perhaps this is what it takes to push that forward.

That would be something. The GOP fracture into 2 parties.

Both parties are crooked pieces of ####. Don't kid yourself with your own biases.

Very true.

However, if someone like Ted bleeping Cruz becomes the new Speaker, the GOP will become even more of a national joke than they already are.

Yeah it would be a bad joke. About as funny as if the Dems made Nancy Pelosi speaker.

Pelosi sucks, too. No debate from me on that one.

 

[timschochet]

Why would anyone think Pelosi sucks? You might disagree with her politics, but in terms of her roles both as Speaker of the House and minority leader, she's been as effective as anyone who has held those positions in modern history. She knows how to corral support and hold her party together. She is extremely able. Hard to think of anyone in Washington more competent, to be honest.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Why would anyone think Pelosi sucks? You might disagree with her politics, but in terms of her roles both as Speaker of the House and minority leader, she's been as effective as anyone who has held those positions in modern history. She knows how to corral support and hold her party together. She is extremely able. Hard to think of anyone in Washington more competent, to be honest.

The rubes are going to talk about her looks, obviously.

 

[joffer]

give him equal $$$

Doesn't sound very Libertarian to me.

kind of a hypothetical thingie...

 

[jon_mx]

Why would anyone think Pelosi sucks? You might disagree with her politics, but in terms of her roles both as Speaker of the House and minority leader, she's been as effective as anyone who has held those positions in modern history. She knows how to corral support and hold her party together. She is extremely able. Hard to think of anyone in Washington more competent, to be honest.

The rubes are going to talk about her looks, obviously.

Tim is becoming one of the worst posters on political threads. Effective in stupidity maybe. But Cruz can be effective by that measure. Tim is morphing into the biggest Democrat shill on this forum.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tim is morphing into the biggest Democrat shill on this forum.

And John Boehner is a RINO.

 

[timschochet]

Why would anyone think Pelosi sucks? You might disagree with her politics, but in terms of her roles both as Speaker of the House and minority leader, she's been as effective as anyone who has held those positions in modern history. She knows how to corral support and hold her party together. She is extremely able. Hard to think of anyone in Washington more competent, to be honest.

The rubes are going to talk about her looks, obviously.

Tim is becoming one of the worst posters on political threads. Effective in stupidity maybe. But Cruz can be effective by that measure. Tim is morphing into the biggest Democrat shill on this forum.

This comparison makes no sense jon. What I wrote is that if you are able to put political positions aside (which you seem to be incapable of) Nancy Pelosi is expert at using the Congress to get what she wants done. She is the definition of an effective politician. Ted Cruz is the exact opposite. He rarely has more than one guy on his side (Mike Lee) and he gets NONE of his goals accomplished.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ted Cruz ... gets NONE of his goals accomplished.

He knows none of his policy positions will ever be implemented -- it's all about raising his profile and building a following.

 

[timschochet]

By the way, the last Republican politician to be as effective and competent as Pelosi was Tom Delay, known as "the Hammer". But I would argue that given the increasing partisan nature of politics in the last decade, Pelosi is even more effective than he was. As I wrote, she's probably the best at what she does in modern times.

 

[jon_mx]

Why would anyone think Pelosi sucks? You might disagree with her politics, but in terms of her roles both as Speaker of the House and minority leader, she's been as effective as anyone who has held those positions in modern history. She knows how to corral support and hold her party together. She is extremely able. Hard to think of anyone in Washington more competent, to be honest.

The rubes are going to talk about her looks, obviously.

Tim is becoming one of the worst posters on political threads. Effective in stupidity maybe. But Cruz can be effective by that measure. Tim is morphing into the biggest Democrat shill on this forum.

This comparison makes no sense jon. What I wrote is that if you are able to put political positions aside (which you seem to be incapable of) Nancy Pelosi is expert at using the Congress to get what she wants done. She is the definition of an effective politician. Ted Cruz is the exact opposite. He rarely has more than one guy on his side (Mike Lee) and he gets NONE of his goals accomplished.

Cruz is not speaker, nor will he be so it is a ridiculous comparison to start with. Only fodder for the looney left to discuss. Nancy was 'effective' because she had control of the house, senate and the Presidency the first couple of years of Obama's Presidency. She passed a stimulus bill which had no input from Republicans and mostly consisted of aid to the lower end. That made the recession less painful for many, but made the recovery much weaker than it should have been. Obamacare passage was passed, but she had to sell out to big Pharma and insurance companies to squeeze it through. Again, all one-sided input where she in fact locked the other side out. Her 'effectiveness' consisted of giving bribes to the few Democratic holdouts to get stuff passed, which is never in the best interest of the people. Pelosi was far more of a hack than even Boenher, IMO. And not a particularly bright hack either. Pelosi's hackery was a major reason the Democrats lost the House so badly.

 

[Mario Kart]

Just like every other government shut down, republicans can't think it ends good for them, right?

I'd almost guarantee that if there was a shut down, especially over planned parenthood, the democrats win the 2016 presidency.

 

[Sand]

Just like every other government shut down, republicans can't think it ends good for them, right?

I'd almost guarantee that if there was a shut down, especially over planned parenthood, the democrats win the 2016 presidency.

Selective memories - wishing the last shutdown was such a disaster. Republicans grabbed a 21 seats in '14, which is right up there in the "crushing wins" category of congressional elections.

So how exactly do you think the 2013 shutdown ended bad for them?

 

[jon_mx]

Just like every other government shut down, republicans can't think it ends good for them, right?

I'd almost guarantee that if there was a shut down, especially over planned parenthood, the democrats win the 2016 presidency.

Would have zero impact. it is too far away for it to effect anyone's vote. The impact on people will be very minor and temporary. And it is not going to happen anyways.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Just like every other government shut down, republicans can't think it ends good for them, right?

I'd almost guarantee that if there was a shut down, especially over planned parenthood, the democrats win the 2016 presidency.

Selective memories - wishing the last shutdown was such a disaster. Republicans grabbed a 21 seats in '14, which is right up there in the "crushing wins" category of congressional elections.

So how exactly do you think the 2013 shutdown ended bad for them?

The numbers I've seen put the shutdown costs to the gov't at ~ $14B. Are Republicans proud of all that waste?

Republicans took a hit at the polls. Just because they still won seats doesn't mean the shutdown was a winning issue.

 

[Sand]

Just like every other government shut down, republicans can't think it ends good for them, right?

I'd almost guarantee that if there was a shut down, especially over planned parenthood, the democrats win the 2016 presidency.

Selective memories - wishing the last shutdown was such a disaster. Republicans grabbed a 21 seats in '14, which is right up there in the "crushing wins" category of congressional elections.

So how exactly do you think the 2013 shutdown ended bad for them?

The numbers I've seen put the shutdown costs to the gov't at ~ $14B. Are Republicans proud of all that waste?

Republicans took a hit at the polls. Just because they still won seats doesn't mean the shutdown was a winning issue.

Both may be true, but when it happened there was all kinds of hysteria about this ruining the congressional elections. That obviously didn't happen.