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Right, 27 games into what will be a stadium for around 100 years...I can see how this conclusion can be drawn already.Look, I'm not saying the HRs won't continue all season long and forever. But can we MAYBE get some more data about it before proclaiming it a joke? What if I say please?I voted that there will be at least 5 games without a HR.
How much more "data" you need?
It's not "data"...it's data. It should only be in quotes if I'm looking for something that isn't really data but I'm calling it data. Now that aside...I would like to see how the stadium plays when the weather is warmer and/or the wind currents change or, oh I don't know, they knock down the 60,000 capacity giant building next door. That could maybe play a part perhaps. Do you always base your opinions off a sample size that represents less than two one thousandths of the total possible volume?
So it's a whiffle ball park...so what? Why do you guys get so uptight about this stuff?
Don't forget to Teix message that one to RF.
Yeah not exactly sure why people get upset at this
I agree. As long as the Yanks hit more homeruns...I don't care.
An A-A-A-A-A-A-A-BOMB from A-A-A-A-A-A-A-ROD!
I don't get all the angst about the HRs. It's clearly something quirky about the physics that I'll never understand. But, it is what it is. In Coors, you can't do anything about the thin air. In Coors East, there's obviously some sort of draft effect going out in RF. Does it play favor to the Yanks? Perhaps. But, I don't think Yankee management is smart enough to know how to take advantage of this in either (a) stadium construction or (b) player development/acquisition. It is what it is. People need to get over it.
I don't particularly like him. I don't think that he calls a good game at all...and let's not get into his partner in the booth. That being said, he does have a weird, goofy kind of uncle vibe about him that I don't dislike.
You mean like the free agent pitchers of 2010?The Yankees overpaid for talent in the past because they could. Just wait until they have to do it.
They'll develop a new market for the first 20-game winners with 5.00+ ERAs.
Generally it takes 3 years to get an accurate sample size to determine park factors, but obviously after 27 games there's plenty of data to make definitive statements.
11 hits, 5 HRs.Coors East Daily Report:5 HRs tonight7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:5 HRs tonight7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
What's your damage? Why are you all riled up about this? Why do you make Yankee fans look like an insecure group of ninnies? Suck it up. We've got a whiffle ball park. It's Coors East. Big effin' deal. As an aside, this team is every bit as flawed today as it was in April. We are just as easily capable of giving away 6 games in the standings as we are making up the ground we have. I can't believe how excited some of you guys are getting to be atop the division at this point in the season. "Sole possession of first place in June." BFD.Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:5 HRs tonight7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
21 - 0 when they've given up three runs or less..19 comeback wins....Best record in the AL. Best record in the AL East. Aside from being 0 -5 against another one of the best teams in the league... what can you honestly complain about?What's your damage? Why are you all riled up about this? Why do you make Yankee fans look like an insecure group of ninnies? Suck it up. We've got a whiffle ball park. It's Coors East. Big effin' deal. As an aside, this team is every bit as flawed today as it was in April. We are just as easily capable of giving away 6 games in the standings as we are making up the ground we have. I can't believe how excited some of you guys are getting to be atop the division at this point in the season. "Sole possession of first place in June." BFD.Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:5 HRs tonight7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
Don't forget the errorless streak, too. Fundamentally, they've been making less mistakes than in years past.The comeback wins is also a huge thing that makes me optimistic. Maybe it's because it lends itself to my feelings about this team 10 years ago...that maybe there's some character here that we haven't had recently.21 - 0 when they've given up three runs or less..19 comeback wins....What's your damage? Why are you all riled up about this? Why do you make Yankee fans look like an insecure group of ninnies? Suck it up. We've got a whiffle ball park. It's Coors East. Big effin' deal. As an aside, this team is every bit as flawed today as it was in April. We are just as easily capable of giving away 6 games in the standings as we are making up the ground we have. I can't believe how excited some of you guys are getting to be atop the division at this point in the season. "Sole possession of first place in June." BFD.Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:
5 HRs tonight
7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.
Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
Best record in the AL. Best record in the AL East.
Aside from being 0 -5 against another one of the best teams in the league... what can you honestly complain about?
So if the Yankees give up a run in the top of the first and then score two in the bottom and win 2-1, isn't that considered a comeback win?Don't forget the errorless streak, too. Fundamentally, they've been making less mistakes than in years past.The comeback wins is also a huge thing that makes me optimistic. Maybe it's because it lends itself to my feelings about this team 10 years ago...that maybe there's some character here that we haven't had recently.21 - 0 when they've given up three runs or less..19 comeback wins....What's your damage? Why are you all riled up about this? Why do you make Yankee fans look like an insecure group of ninnies? Suck it up. We've got a whiffle ball park. It's Coors East. Big effin' deal. As an aside, this team is every bit as flawed today as it was in April. We are just as easily capable of giving away 6 games in the standings as we are making up the ground we have. I can't believe how excited some of you guys are getting to be atop the division at this point in the season. "Sole possession of first place in June." BFD.Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:
5 HRs tonight
7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.
Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
Best record in the AL. Best record in the AL East.
Aside from being 0 -5 against another one of the best teams in the league... what can you honestly complain about?
On the other hand, I'm still not convinced that (a) this whole "character" concept is real or created based on our interpretation of events and (b) if the latter, does this team really have what it takes to sustain this performance over the course of a full season? We've played what? Less than 60 games thus far? And, saying that we have the best record in the AL belies the fact that Boston is still just one game shy of that mark, as well. I prefer not to even pay attention to the standings at this point in the season and simply focus on how this team looks. They do look better. But, I'm still not convinced this is a team that can sustain itself for the duration of the season. We'll see.
But, this is all beside the point and more appropriate for a discussion in the *Official* thread. This is about the absurd HR pace in the new park. I think it's funny that Yankee fans take this as an assault to call it a "joke" or "absurd" as if it's a blight on this team. It has nothing to do with this team. But, it is absurd how many balls are flying out of this place. You can love the team and love the new stadium and still recognize that something either went terribly wrong--or wonderfully right--with the design that has allowed for this pace (depending on your perspective).
Me? I'm an NL fan trapped inside the body of a Yankee fan. Been rooting for this team since I was 8 years old. But, I've always appreciated NL style baseball, from an aesthetic pov, much more. So, when HRs are hit at this kind of ridiculous pace--as someone pointed out above, 5 of the 11 hits yesterday were HRs--it takes something away from the game that I enjoy. Might as well go down to the local softball field if I wanted to watch balls get jacked at this rate.
But, again, that's not the Yankees fault. So, I don't see the reason why it's incompatible to root for the team and, at the same time, mock a little bit the absurdity of a park--like Coors--that is making all of this possible...for BOTH teams...each night.
Again, where do they uncover this stat? This has to be a staple in our stats lexicon, both for teams and--especially--individual players.Nice find, LD. I don't get the physics, but it amazes me how such seemingly small factors can contribute so much.
What would we do without you Righetti?
To be fair, he's not going to have much to update in the 3000 thread.
That's what happens when two of the guys running the team are a lawyer with no baseball experience (who was in charge of building the stadium) and a guy who's basically there to grease the palm of city hall.
I'm not insecure about it. If you read up to my previous posts, I'll be first in line to admit that the park is skewed if the HR keep flying out of the park at the rate that they are. My issue isn't with people calling it a wiffle park or unfair or whatever...it's with people jumping to conclusions before we have enough to gauge it on. If the stadium were going to stand as constructed for the rest of the way, I'd be right there with you guys. I just don't get why people feel the need to proclaim something so definitively when the dynamic is about to change. By the end of the summer, there will be a HUGE building that currently stands next door that will no longer be there. Will it have an effect? I have no idea. But I think it's worth waiting to find out.As for the comment about not caring about being in first place in June...would you rather be in 4th? I don't get it dude. What is so flawed about this team? Your statements border on bizarre sometimes.What's your damage? Why are you all riled up about this? Why do you make Yankee fans look like an insecure group of ninnies? Suck it up. We've got a whiffle ball park. It's Coors East. Big effin' deal. As an aside, this team is every bit as flawed today as it was in April. We are just as easily capable of giving away 6 games in the standings as we are making up the ground we have. I can't believe how excited some of you guys are getting to be atop the division at this point in the season. "Sole possession of first place in June." BFD.Oh look everyone, it's the dude who essentially declared the Yankees dead and buried back in April only to see them hold sole possession of first place by June. Let's all listen to him as he jumps to conclusions again!Coors East Daily Report:5 HRs tonight7 of the 8 total runs scored via the long ball.Again, the sample size is just too small right now to draw any conclusions.
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I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the park gives up 3-4 homers a game.
Serious question... does this earn Yankees players an * if Arod / Teix post 400 home runs over the next 8 years due to Whiffle Park? It seems guys like Giambi, Pettitte, Sheff, etc were forced to get off the juice so instead they built it right into the park. GENIUS! As maurile would say.. the above post is only 40% Shtick.Serious responses:1. How many Runs per game are being scored in Yankee Stadium? Is it also the highest in baseball? You would think with more HRs there would be less doubles.2. I have a feeling they will be changing the dimensions, wall heights, or something to fix the problem next year.[icon] said:I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the park gives up 3-4 homers a game.Serious question... does this earn Yankees players an * if Arod / Teix post 400 home runs over the next 8 years due to Whiffle Park? It seems guys like Giambi, Pettitte, Sheff, etc were forced to get off the juice so instead they built it right into the park. GENIUS!
As maurile would say.. the above post is only 40% Shtick.
Yankees ERA is about .75 a run higher at Yankee Stadium (or was before last night)...currently the doubles (and triples for that matter) rate are the league lowest. So a whole bunch of doubles are being turned into HRs. Because of that its not playing at as a really extreme hitters park.Serious responses:1. How many Runs per game are being scored in Yankee Stadium? Is it also the highest in baseball? You would think with more HRs there would be less doubles.[icon] said:I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the park gives up 3-4 homers a game.Serious question... does this earn Yankees players an * if Arod / Teix post 400 home runs over the next 8 years due to Whiffle Park? It seems guys like Giambi, Pettitte, Sheff, etc were forced to get off the juice so instead they built it right into the park. GENIUS!
As maurile would say.. the above post is only 40% Shtick.
2. I have a feeling they will be changing the dimensions, wall heights, or something to fix the problem next year.
Cool, thats what I assumed.Yankees ERA is about .75 a run higher at Yankee Stadium (or was before last night)...currently the doubles (and triples for that matter) rate are the league lowest. So a whole bunch of doubles are being turned into HRs. Because of that its not playing at as a really extreme hitters park.Serious responses:1. How many Runs per game are being scored in Yankee Stadium? Is it also the highest in baseball? You would think with more HRs there would be less doubles.[icon] said:I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the park gives up 3-4 homers a game.
As maurile would say.. the above post is only 40% Shtick.
2. I have a feeling they will be changing the dimensions, wall heights, or something to fix the problem next year.
To be fair, I'd say the same thing about any other park...it's not a Yankee thing, it's a jump to conclusions thing. I guess I just don't get it. Seems like the need to be right BEFORE ANYBODY ELSE causes a whole lot of people to go nuts at the first sign of something being different. Like I said, if the HR continue at this rate after the old place comes down I'll have no trouble agreeing with all of you. I just don't feel the need to be right immediately, and am a bit more patient while waiting for the results of the demolition before making a call.And regardless of how it plays, I don't think any stadium should be called a joke. Just because it doesn't play like every other stadium in the game, that makes it a joke? That's weird. Is Petco a joke because of being extreme to the pitchers? Is Citi a joke because David Wright has 4 HR on June 10? No and no. Fenway and Wrigley have two of the most distinct features of any stadium in any sport ever, and they're two of the best we've got. It's not a joke just because it plays HR-happy (so far). It's just how it is. Fenway isn't a joke just because they've got a 37 foot wall in LF that's probably not even 300 feet from home. The Cubbies aren't a joke just because they've got a brick wall in the outfield that gets covered in ivy in the summer, making every ball hit to the wall an adventure. That's just baseball. The short porch has been a staple of Yankee Stadium since it was built. Just like Death Valley. Was that a joke because it took away probably about a hundred HR each from Mantle and DiMaggio?The Ghost of Common said:
BUT HOMERS ARE BEING HIT!!!!! AND IT"S THE YANKEEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!
Thank god for that guy. It's pretty much ASB or bust now.
