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MaxThreshold
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Those images do not prove that they were using the term "Tea bagger". Your side was making the derogatory references to begin with. You're trying to put two unrelated things together to make a point. Like a michael moore documentary: show a picture of a white guy, show a picture of a business and go "See? Proof that the greedy white guys are ruining everything".
And guys like you lap it up and go "YEAH! You're right!".
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Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Jesus. We can all concede that liberals used the term tea bagger derogatively.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
whats the argument about again?
squistion
Footballguy
It is pretty clear that all these people who wore tea bags on the head had no idea it might mean something else.But you are wrong about who used the term first, it was the Tea Party crowd and it has been documented:
http://theweek.com/articles/494697/evolution-word-tea-bagger
The evolution of the word 'tea bagger'
Was President Obama speaking derogatively when he referred to the Tea Party as "tea baggers"? That's the topic of some debate after a review of Jonathan Alter's book, The Promise: President Obama, Year One, revealed that Obama used the term in November 2009. The grassroots movement didn't always consider "tea bagger" a slur: Early Tea Partiers innocently embraced the term until they discovered its vulgar connotations (see also the 1998 John Waters movie Pecker). In a twist, some conservatives have recently advocated that the word be reclaimed. Here's a look at the evolution of the insult:
Feb. 27, 2009
At the first anti-stimulus "New American Tea Party" rally in Washington D.C., a protestor carries a sign reading "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!" The Washington Independent's David Weigel calls it "the best sign I saw."
March 2
Americans for Prosperity, an anti-tax group, is one of the first Tea Party organizations to advocate sending tea bags to elected officials to protest the stimulus package. Several other lobby groups follow suit.
April 1
Several Tea Party protest sites encourage readers to "Tea bag the fools in DC." Jay Nordlinger at National Review Online later admits: "Conservatives started [using the term]... but others ran and ran with it."
April 9
Rachel Maddow is the first to mock the Tea Party's use of the phrase on her left-leaning MSNBC show. "Even Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina is getting in on the hot tea-bagging action," she says, stifling laughter. (Watch Rachel Maddow joke about the "tea baggers")
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
"Those images don't prove anything, and besides, you started it!"
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
So, as I said earlier, it was the American Left who started to use it as a derogatory term (of course).
But you are wrong about who used the term first, it was the Tea Party crowd and it has been documented:
http://theweek.com/articles/494697/evolution-word-tea-bagger
The evolution of the word 'tea bagger'
Was President Obama speaking derogatively when he referred to the Tea Party as "tea baggers"? That's the topic of some debate after a review of Jonathan Alter's book, The Promise: President Obama, Year One, revealed that Obama used the term in November 2009. The grassroots movement didn't always consider "tea bagger" a slur: Early Tea Partiers innocently embraced the term until they discovered its vulgar connotations (see also the 1998 John Waters movie Pecker). In a twist, some conservatives have recently advocated that the word be reclaimed. Here's a look at the evolution of the insult:
Feb. 27, 2009
At the first anti-stimulus "New American Tea Party" rally in Washington D.C., a protestor carries a sign reading "Tea Bag the Liberal Dems before they Tea Bag You!!" The Washington Independent's David Weigel calls it "the best sign I saw."
March 2
Americans for Prosperity, an anti-tax group, is one of the first Tea Party organizations to advocate sending tea bags to elected officials to protest the stimulus package. Several other lobby groups follow suit.
April 1
Several Tea Party protest sites encourage readers to "Tea bag the fools in DC." Jay Nordlinger at National Review Online later admits: "Conservatives started [using the term]... but others ran and ran with it."
April 9
Rachel Maddow is the first to mock the Tea Party's use of the phrase on her left-leaning MSNBC show. "Even Governor Mark Sanford of South Carolina is getting in on the hot tea-bagging action," she says, stifling laughter. (Watch Rachel Maddow joke about the "tea baggers")
squistion
Footballguy
This is what you said Max:
Those images do not prove that they were using the term "Tea bagger". Your side was making the derogatory references to begin with.
My point is, which you can't disprove, is that the Tea Partiers used it first, oblivious to the other meaning, which led to the ridicule of their ignorance of the term. They weren't derogatorily called teabaggers until after they used the phrase to describe themselves.
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Joe Summer
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Max Whineberg:
(It's right there in the article you just quoted.)
First known use was 2/27/2009 by a member of the New American Tea Party.
(It's right there in the article you just quoted.)
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Reg Lllama of Brixton
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Ramblin Wreck
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joffer
Footballguy
CardCleaver only thinks this is ok.
Thinner skin than Trump. That's hard to do so congrats.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I think somebody is upset that he only rates at 9% on the likability scale. That's certified rotten.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
My point was that your side was using it as a derogatory term to begin with. Which is exactly what I said. You even quoted it in a failed attempt at "gotcha!".
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joffer
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MaxThreshold
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Oh man, I have so many good comebacks for that. Probably not "excellent" so I'll hold back and you can escape one of the worst burns ever.
It would have been YUUGGEE!
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HellToupee
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I suspect BeaverCleaver will like this name. Beavers , not so much.
"beaver cleaver brings such a ruckus he's a beaver wrecker"
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I actually think he inadvertently complimented you. He's probably kicking himself in the pants right now.
See unintentional comedy off the charts here
squistion
Footballguy
Max you were
The argument you were making was over who used it first. You denied my claim that they first used the term. Once again, your exact words:
Those images do not prove that they were using the term "Tea bagger". Your side was making the derogatory references to begin with.
It is documented that it was Tea Party people who first used the term, and you can't provide any proof to the contrary. It was only after they made fools of themselves by self-identifying as teabaggers, that their critics started using it against them. Hard to say, but the term may not have been ever used derogatorily unless the Tea Party crowd had they not used it first, from which hilarity and derision resulted.
HellToupee
Footballguy
"Gwendolyn why are you walking funny? I was out with Ramblin Wreck last night , he's a real beaver wrecker"
See unintentional comedy off the charts here
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Huh? Literally I posted "Your side was making the derogatory references to begin with". I even bolded it in red for you. The Tea Party did not use it as a derogatory term.Max you were
The argument you were making was over who used it first. You denied my claim that they first used the term. Once again, your exact words:
Those images do not prove that they were using the term "Tea bagger". Your side was making the derogatory references to begin with.
It is documented that it was Tea Party people who first used the term, and you can't provide any proof to the contrary. It was only after they made fools of themselves by self-identifying as teabaggers, that their critics started using it against them. Hard to say, but the term may not have been ever used derogatorily unless the Tea Party crowd had they not used it first, from which hilarity and derision resulted.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
You pick some really weird stuff to argue about.
HellToupee
Footballguy
If he's in he's in to the end. Has to have last word and wants total capitulation even when he's wrong
Thunderlips
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
After you said Those images do not prove that they were using the term "Tea bagger".
I proved by the images at the link that the Tea Party people were using the term first. That was the point, they brought it on themselves, and of course they wouldn't use it as a derogatory term.
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MaxThreshold
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squistion
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Then your first sentence was irrelevant and superfluous as it would to pointless to mention who used it first. Your first sentence was in response to what I said earlier and I never claimed the critics didn't use it first as a derogatory term (wouldn't expect the Tea Party crowd to do so, would you?)
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Ughh...So you're going to tell me what I meant?
Geebus - you need to get another hobby. We can be done now because you're apparently to focused on finding an alt-meaning where there was none to prove some kind of iGotcha.
squistion
Footballguy
JFC.
No, I used my exact words to show again what I meant and what you specifically responded to, which was who used the term teabagger first.
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HellToupee
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He goes until he's right & you're wrong no matter what the reality isUghh...So you're going to tell me what I meant?
Geebus - you need to get another hobby. We can be done now because you're apparently to focused on finding an alt-meaning where there was none to prove some kind of iGotcha.
Nick Vermeil
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I was my kids basketball practice when I read that and was crying laughing with other parents looking at me like I'm crazy. Best laugh of the day.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
Since this thread started off about women but has turned in to one more about Max, I figure this is a good place to get something off my chest about Max's avatar pic.
I'm creepy old for her and as a feminist, I try not to objectify women but I think all of us can agree that she's very attractive. But if I ever saw her pout/vacant stare in real life, I think I'd have a tough time disassociating her from Max's views.
We'd hopefully find other common ground.
I'm creepy old for her and as a feminist, I try not to objectify women but I think all of us can agree that she's very attractive. But if I ever saw her pout/vacant stare in real life, I think I'd have a tough time disassociating her from Max's views.
We'd hopefully find other common ground.
squistion
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I'm sure the FC part of JFC is the offensive part. But it's okay to attack Jesus, right, but no one better not criticize a raging angry protester, minority, or other groups you libs need votes from. Don't be a hypocrite.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Eh........I'd take it at this point.Probably not Klume. I'm sure Rosanne Barr can oblige you, though.
Higgs
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
Thunderlips
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
False Equivalency Alert!
And Godfrey Daniel! I didn't attack Jesus, it is just an expression, so unless you are some sort of prude as far as profanity is concerned, get over it.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Taking Jesus' name in vain is quite offensive to many religious people. There's plenty of "expressions" that denigrate women, gays, and minorities too. Don't hide behind "just an expression". Own your bigotry.
General Malaise
Footballguy
You guise!!!! I think my wife might go back to work soon!! All because she met some potential female employer at a bar when she was supposed to be marching. They bonded over choice of footwear in the rain! Guise!!!!!!!
Tell me again this march was worthless. Nuts to you.
Tell me again this march was worthless. Nuts to you.
William Munny
Footballguy
General Malaise
Footballguy
You're better than this. I've seen you prove it. Move along. Let's bash some SEC schools.
Taking Jesus' name in vain is quite offensive to many religious people. There's plenty of "expressions" that denigrate women, gays, and minorities too. Don't hide behind "just an expression". Own your bigotry.
squistion
Footballguy
Never once saw you call anyone else out for using this, not one time ever that I recall. If I am wrong, please provide a link to the contrary.
Taking Jesus' name in vain is quite offensive to many religious people. There's plenty of "expressions" that denigrate women, gays, and minorities too. Don't hide behind "just an expression". Own your bigotry.
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