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Would the players playing right now in the HOF Game (4th Q) beat the best CFB team this year? (1 Viewer)

Could they?

  • Yes

    Votes: 46 73.0%

  • No

    Votes: 17 27.0%
  • Total voters
    63
I'm just going to assume that the vote is the way it is because the pole is worded poorly.  No way that many people think a bunch of Alabama rejects could beat actual Alabama.

 
If this were up against people on the 53 man roster, I'd take the NFL team all day.   But against 4th quarter first preseason game? Toss up. 

 
Henry Ford said:
If this were up against people on the 53 man roster, I'd take the NFL team all day.   But against 4th quarter first preseason game? Toss up. 
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The talent level on the 4th quarter team probable represents a lot of good college level players, but not elite talent which will be present on the elite college teams.  The downfall of the 4th quarter team is they are a hodgepodge of talent which have not been coached or assembled to fit into a particular scheme.  They would be a hot mess and would get pummeled by a top college team.  Now if they had months to prepare and assemble specific talent and become a coherent unit, they might be competitive.  But just take that fourth quarter team as is and play, no way. 

 
jon_mx said:
The talent level on the 4th quarter team probable represents a lot of good college level players, but not elite talent which will be present on the elite college teams.  The downfall of the 4th quarter team is they are a hodgepodge of talent which have not been coached or assembled to fit into a particular scheme.  They would be a hot mess and would get pummeled by a top college team.  Now if they had months to prepare and assemble specific talent and become a coherent unit, they might be competitive.  But just take that fourth quarter team as is and play, no way. 
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Fair point.  However, compared to any college team, there's just no weak link.  Every one of them made an NFL preseason roster.  And the coaching level is higher.  And they've had an entire offseason of OTAs, meetings, playbook work, etc.  That's more than a college team is allowed to do by this time of year by a country mile.  Playbook is like nothing a college team ever has to see - on offense and defense.  And every one of them has made it all the way through the college game. 

I still think it's a toss up. Alabama last year had a tremendous team talent wise.  10 picks in the draft - 9 in the first 80 picks or something.  Still lost to Clemson in the championship. 

One game, I think it's a toss up.   

 
Henry Ford said:
Fair point.  However, compared to any college team, there's just no weak link.  Every one of them made an NFL preseason roster.  And the coaching level is higher.  And they've had an entire offseason of OTAs, meetings, playbook work, etc.  That's more than a college team is allowed to do by this time of year by a country mile.  Playbook is like nothing a college team ever has to see - on offense and defense.  And every one of them has made it all the way through the college game. 

I still think it's a toss up. Alabama last year had a tremendous team talent wise.  10 picks in the draft - 9 in the first 80 picks or something.  Still lost to Clemson in the championship. 

One game, I think it's a toss up.   
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They had 10 guys drafted,  but that doesn't account for the underclassmen at Bama that will be highly drafted in the future.   We're talking about a pretty large talent gap in favor of the college team.

 
psychobillies said:
They had 10 guys drafted,  but that doesn't account for the underclassmen at Bama that will be highly drafted in the future.   We're talking about a pretty large talent gap in favor of the college team.
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Yes. Maybe more depth if you go through 53, but the first 25-30 would go to Bama. 

 
FreeBaGeL said:
I'm just going to assume that the vote is the way it is because the pole is worded poorly.  No way that many people think a bunch of Alabama rejects could beat actual Alabama.
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The would/could part should have been worded better but people are just being dopey talking about Tom Brady and other preseason games. The specifics of the game are clear. 

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Because he asked the question?
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No he didn't.  He asked if the scrubs playing the 4th quarter of the hall of fame game would beat the best college team.  Are Tom Brady and Julian Edelman going to play the last 10 minutes of any preseason game this year, much less an extra one where the starters don't even play at all?  Of course not.

ETA: Even if you're making the point that those guys were once 4th quarter preseason scrubs (it's unclear what your actual point is) is that really a big factor?  Julian Edelman grew into a great football player working behind Wes Welker and alongside Brady and great OCs in practice every day.  He wasn't a great player yet back when he was playing with 4th quarter preseason scrubs.  Would the 2009 rookie version of Edelman been a difference maker in this game, having never even played the WR position before?  No, he wouldn't.

 
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Henry Ford said:
Fair point.  However, compared to any college team, there's just no weak link.  Every one of them made an NFL preseason roster.  And the coaching level is higher.  And they've had an entire offseason of OTAs, meetings, playbook work, etc.  That's more than a college team is allowed to do by this time of year by a country mile.  Playbook is like nothing a college team ever has to see - on offense and defense.  And every one of them has made it all the way through the college game. 

I still think it's a toss up. Alabama last year had a tremendous team talent wise.  10 picks in the draft - 9 in the first 80 picks or something.  Still lost to Clemson in the championship. 

One game, I think it's a toss up.   
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That doesn't necessarily mean much though.  A lot of these bottom of the roster UDFA or late round pick guys are only there because they are seen as having a trait that can be developed into being an NFL player down the road.  Trevor Knight may not be any better for this game than Jalen Hurts even though Hurts will likely never make an NFL roster.  Knight just has a bigger arm and is a better long-term project so the Cards grabbed him to see if they can develop him down the road.  But right now he's still pretty bad and pretty raw.

 
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psychobillies said:
They had 10 guys drafted,  but that doesn't account for the underclassmen at Bama that will be highly drafted in the future.   We're talking about a pretty large talent gap in favor of the college team.
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You mean those 19 year olds who will be top picks in 2-3 years? I will take a bunch of 23-25 year olds over some 19 year olds  who someday will be highly drafted. They aren't highly drafted right now. 

 
dgreen said:
You mean those 19 year olds who will be top picks in 2-3 years? I will take a bunch of 23-25 year olds over some 19 year olds  who someday will be highly drafted. They aren't highly drafted right now. 
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If Dexter Lawrence were eligible for the draft right now he'd be a top-3 pick. 

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Did those guys play in the 4th quarter of the HOF Game?
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No, but when those guys were starting out they were exactly the type of players who would be playing in the fourth quarter of a preseason game. Brady was a fourth-stringer behind Michael Bishop and John Friesz in his first camp. That was my only point ... Those guys as rookies, not now.

 
Dickie Dunn said:
No, but when those guys were starting out they were exactly the type of players who would be playing in the fourth quarter of a preseason game. Brady was a fourth-stringer behind Michael Bishop and John Friesz in his first camp. That was my only point ... Those guys as rookies, not now.
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Which players from the 4th quarter of the HOF Game project to have a career comparable to Tom Brady's?  

 
I think we can all agree that if in his prime Tom brady were playing in this game, his team would win. 

This thread is like a test for people who can't pay attention. 

 
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Capella said:
I think we can all agree that if in his prime Tom brady were playing in this game, his team would win. 

This thread is like a test for people who can't pay attention. 
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It's an interesting discussion though. Is circa-2000 Tom Brady a better player at that time than Jalen Hurts, Deondre Francois or Cardale Jones is now? How do you know for sure? By whose standards?

 
Dickie Dunn said:
It's an interesting discussion though. Is circa-2000 Tom Brady a better player at that time than Jalen Hurts, Deondre Francois or Cardale Jones is now? How do you know for sure? By whose standards?
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I'm not a tom brady historian but from what I remember, he did pretty well in college. Griese was just better. 

 
Capella said:
If Dexter Lawrence were eligible for the draft right now he'd be a top-3 pick. 
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Based on what he will be in 3-5 years.  In 2-3 years he will be better than what's playing in this fictitious game.  But what about everyone else on the roster?  

I think it really. Comes down to what we are considering the fourth string scrub in this situation.  Give me the 24 year old second best OL from the AAC who played on special teams the past 3-4 years over Bamas starting Guard right now.  If the fourth string scrub is a rookie from Wyoming last year who is literally a camp body then I think you are onto something by siding with the college team.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
No he didn't.  He asked if the scrubs playing the 4th quarter of the hall of fame game would beat the best college team.  Are Tom Brady and Julian Edelman going to play the last 10 minutes of any preseason game this year, much less an extra one where the starters don't even play at all?  Of course not.

ETA: Even if you're making the point that those guys were once 4th quarter preseason scrubs (it's unclear what your actual point is) is that really a big factor?  Julian Edelman grew into a great football player working behind Wes Welker and alongside Brady and great OCs in practice every day.  He wasn't a great player yet back when he was playing with 4th quarter preseason scrubs.  Would the 2009 rookie version of Edelman been a difference maker in this game, having never even played the WR position before?  No, he wouldn't.
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Dickinson asked the question I replied to.

And I'm pretty sure all of us here can safely assume Brady and Edelman won't be playing, but thanks for pointing that out for me.  I correctly assumed that Dickie Dunn was referring to players similar to those guys. You incorrectly assumed that I'm an idiot.

 
The Ref said:
Based on what he will be in 3-5 years.  In 2-3 years he will be better than what's playing in this fictitious game.  But what about everyone else on the roster?  

I think it really. Comes down to what we are considering the fourth string scrub in this situation.  Give me the 24 year old second best OL from the AAC who played on special teams the past 3-4 years over Bamas starting Guard right now.  If the fourth string scrub is a rookie from Wyoming last year who is literally a camp body then I think you are onto something by siding with the college team.
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To be fair, the current Wyoming qb is a legit pro prospect.

 
Homer J Simpson said:
Dickinson asked the question I replied to.

And I'm pretty sure all of us here can safely assume Brady and Edelman won't be playing, but thanks for pointing that out for me.  I correctly assumed that Dickie Dunn was referring to players similar to those guys. You incorrectly assumed that I'm an idiot.
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And I already covered that too.  Other than Brady, who is an obvious outlier (and who never played in the 4th quarter of a preseason game, btw), it's not like these guys were necessarily standouts at the time they were playing in the 4th quarter of preseason games.  So yes, you potentially get the next Julian Edelman.  But by that I mean the next Julian Edelman who was a converted QB that had never played a snap at WR and looked completely lost and hopeless out there.  Not the Julian Edelman that spent 4 years learning and developing with help from Wes Welker, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick, and Josh McDaniels.  Because by that time he wasn't playing in the 4th quarter of preseason games anymore.

Most of those guys out on the field at the end of the HoF game are speculative players that coaches are hoping will one day be useful, even if they're not yet.  We can say pretty safely that 0 of those guys will be starting for NFL teams on opening day of the regular season, and likely 0 of them will end up even being primary backups.  Meanwhile if NFL coaches were allowed to pluck players out of college football like MLB teams can from the minors there would be several guys they'd take right off of the current top college teams and inserted straight into their starting lineup in the NFL, and still more who would be primary backups in the NFL, right now.

 
Capella said:
I'm not a tom brady historian but from what I remember, he did pretty well in college. Griese was just better. 
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And Brady never played this late in a preseason game anyway, so it's somewhat moot.  Was circa-2009 Julian Edelman a better player at that time than Calvin Ridley is right now?  Not likely, and probably not even close.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
And Brady never played this late in a preseason game anyway, so it's somewhat moot.  Was circa-2009 Julian Edelman a better player at that time than Calvin Ridley is right now?  Not likely, and probably not even close.
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Are these regular size Edelmans or Mini-Edelmans?

 
Homer J Simpson said:
It's basically if you gave the Senior Bowl guys a training camp to get their #### together and play Bama.
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Nah. A good number of those guys were drafted high and would be out mid-3Q. 

Edit: maybe the senior bowl backups. 

 
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