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would you consider this as shady ? (1 Viewer)

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The Moz

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A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?

ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?

thoughts on the ethics here ?

 
The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?thoughts on the ethics here ?
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I think you are fine. If someone is offering someone up, they need to know about the player, even if things change.
 
It's fair game. He left it up there and you took it. For this reason, he should discuss trades via email or telephone and use the site only to execute it. IMO.

 
Not a problem IMO. And he's dealing a (likely) WW guy for a decent WR2. You just accepted a offer that seems about 'market value' IMO now for SY.

My only problem is the so called "sharks" who take that info and try to dump TH on some unsuspecting owner not sitting @ his computer all day. Lame. IF that's how you need to compete, find another hobby.

 
If you had traded Henry away to some poor sap, I'd say that is very unethical.

You gave him a healthy solid WR for a healthy backup RB. He should've known that backup could be a starter as soon as that day. The trade is fine IMO.

 
I know this may not help here, but this is why you ought to have a rule that requires both players to confirm the trade to the Commish, in addition to just agreeing on it in e-mail or on the web site. This way, you avoid the inevitable disagreements and the timing issues that arise when the FF picture changes over a short period of time.

As it is, if I were the Commish, I would be asking both owners if they still want to do this deal. If both say yes, fine. If one says NO, you don't have a deal. I am not a lawyer, I just slept in a Holiday Inn last night, but I am pretty sure a similar approach exist in contract law.

 
this is like those stories when someone leaves a trade avalible during games.... then one of those players involved get hurt and a owner takes avg of it and accepts the trade.... its alls fair IMO.

I traded for Caddy Saturday before the game... Caddy goes on IR the next night... thats FF

 
Nothing against the rules, but I would have e-mailed the guy again and said I am going to change my mind based on new info. If wanted to pulled the offer, accept or renegioate then he would have had the ability.

 
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KellysHeroes said:
this is like those stories when someone leaves a trade avalible during games.... then one of those players involved get hurt and a owner takes avg of it and accepts the trade.... its alls fair IMO.I traded for Caddy Saturday before the game... Caddy goes on IR the next night... thats FF
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That's why I always withdraw my trade offers while games are playing. Too much can happen during games.
 
I believe this falls under unethical.

The assumption was T. Henry was injured not potentially suspended for 1 year due to violating the league substance abuse policy.

If instead Henry was reported out for the year due to the known injury, I would say this is perfectly fine.

But since there was zero prior information regarding the suspension, no reasonable owner makes that trade, therefore your acceptance of the trade in my opinion in unethical.

And I don't buy into the owner should have known therefore he is SOL, considering the news broke late yesterday evening and people do have lives to live. If the trade was still pending tonight after 24 hours have passed, then I would have no problem since that is plenty of time for the owner to remove offer.

 
frankly, you're giving up a top-25 WR for someone who may or may not end up even getting carries. you're STILL taking a big risk accepting the trade.

i don't know WHY you'd want him for just 1-2 games if Henry was just injured at the cost of Branch ?!

 
Alls fair in love and fantasy football.

But . . .

You already declined it. Yes, he left it up, but maybe he doesn't have access to the site during the day, and couldn't remove it. Either way, you declined it, so that's that.

I'd try to talk to the guy and see what he wants to do.

 
Ralph Furley said:
I believe this falls under unethical.The assumption was T. Henry was injured not potentially suspended for 1 year due to violating the league substance abuse policy.If instead Henry was reported out for the year due to the known injury, I would say this is perfectly fine.But since there was zero prior information regarding the suspension, no reasonable owner makes that trade, therefore your acceptance of the trade in my opinion in unethical. And I don't buy into the owner should have known therefore he is SOL, considering the news broke late yesterday evening and people do have lives to live. If the trade was still pending tonight after 24 hours have passed, then I would have no problem since that is plenty of time for the owner to remove offer.
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Is it a done deal that Henry will be suspended? Also, that guy was trying to feece the orignal poster with a Young for Branch deal...If Travis Henry was not suspended, who would do that deal? I think the other guy is in the more secure position with Branch. We don't even know if it will be a RBBC if Henry is suspended...lotta "ifs" there.
 
The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?thoughts on the ethics here ?
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I firmly believe this is unethical. Not because of the status of Henry and Young but because you had already declined the offer. In my opinion, after hearing the news of Henry's pending suspension, you should have contacted the other owner via e-mail to ask if he was still willing to deal. If you chose not to decline the trade offer via the web site but instead used e-mail, it seems a little sneaky to jump on the web site and accept the trade later.You declined the trade offer. If you later decide to reconsider, you should start negotiations from scratch, not jump on the web site and accept it before the other owner has the opportunity to revoke it.
 
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The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?thoughts on the ethics here ?
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I firmly believe this is unethical. Not because of the status of Henry and Young but because you had already declined the offer. In my opinion, after hearing the news of Henry's pending suspension, you should have contacted the other owner via e-mail to ask if he was still willing to deal. If you chose not decline the trade offer via the web site and instead used e-mail, it seems a little sneaky to jump on the web site and accept the trade later.You declined the trade offer. If you later decide to reconsider, you should start negotiations from scratch, not jump on the web site and accept it before the other owner has the opportunity to revoke.
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I'm in total agreement here. Some folks may get to see their e-mail at work, but can't get to the website until after hours, often after many other family or chore type responsibilities. So, he may have seen that you declined, didn't have a chance to revoke on the site, and now all the sudden it's done. You should offer to back it out. If he's still cool with it (which it's a fair offer as it stands honestly), then you're good.
 
Sweet Love said:
Ralph Furley said:
I believe this falls under unethical.The assumption was T. Henry was injured not potentially suspended for 1 year due to violating the league substance abuse policy.If instead Henry was reported out for the year due to the known injury, I would say this is perfectly fine.But since there was zero prior information regarding the suspension, no reasonable owner makes that trade, therefore your acceptance of the trade in my opinion in unethical. And I don't buy into the owner should have known therefore he is SOL, considering the news broke late yesterday evening and people do have lives to live. If the trade was still pending tonight after 24 hours have passed, then I would have no problem since that is plenty of time for the owner to remove offer.
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Is it a done deal that Henry will be suspended? Also, that guy was trying to feece the orignal poster with a Young for Branch deal...If Travis Henry was not suspended, who would do that deal? I think the other guy is in the more secure position with Branch. We don't even know if it will be a RBBC if Henry is suspended...lotta "ifs" there.
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Completely different IMO.Of course it is not a done deal that Henry is suspended, but this nugget of substantial news was not available when said trade was offered. Therefore the situation has completely changed making S.Young much much more valuable today then yesterday.As far as fleecing the Henry owner, come on, people make rediculous trade offers all the time, that being said I would never classify the original trade as fleecing. Rumors have been abound that Henry's injury could be more serious and trading Branch for a potentially starting RB in one of the better RB systems in the NFL is hardly an attempt to fleece. Bottom line, if you believe after the Henry news broke, the trade offer was still reasonable, than why did the OP accept a trade immediately after the news broke(which he had no intention prior to news) instead of reaching out to the other owner to make sure he still wanted to make the trade.
 
Eh probably unethical but I wouldnt be shocked if Branch ended up with more fantasy pts from here on out especially in ppr.

 
Against the rules...no.

Unethical...yes.

By responding with a no to the deal and then accepting it after the breaking news you come off as someone who will break his word to gain an advantage. The proper thing to do would have been to send another e-mail saying you would now like to do the deal if the other team was still willing. You obviously felt the offer would no longer be available so you went in and accepted it before it was pulled.

I know I would probably do what I could to avoid dealing with you in the future in that case.

 
The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?thoughts on the ethics here ?
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Looks legit to me. The story actually broke yesterday, so he probably offered it when the iron was hot. Either way - you did well.
 
The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?

ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?

thoughts on the ethics here ?
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bolded part, the decline makes it questionable.IMO you want to re-discuss a deal that's one thing but to re-accept it without discussion AFTER the denial email, is shady.

Denial email changes things IMO

 
Selvin Young for Branch before the news of Henry broke? Any tool proposing that kind of trade gets what he deserves when the wind shifts.

 
I think since you declined the trade via email, ethically you are in the wrong. His fault for leaving it out there, but it just depends on how cutthroat you want to be.

 
Absolutely scumbag unethical.

As a commish, I'd have to let it go through tho, because our league rules are very precise about "trades offered and accepted on the website are binding." In fact there is a specific warning about leaving open trade offers out out on the website in our rules. This rule takes the pressure off the commish when these types of situations arrise, and puts it back on the owner who offered the trade in the first place.

 
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One of two things happend:

1. He knew about the Henry situation, so it doens't matter.

2. He didn't know about the Henry situation, and offered you a backup running back for Branch. If this is the case, F him for making such a crappy offer.

Either way, I'd rather have Branch anyways.

 
Unethical. No question, especially after you declined the deal. In law, once you decline a deal you cannot accept it later. Yeah, I know, this ain't law. Just under the law, what you did is deemed impermissible. Don't know why the rules of fair play would be different here.

He had a right to rely on your representation that you rejected the deal.

 
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Bri said:
The Moz said:
A person offered me S. Young yesterday before the story on Henry for D. Branch. I declined at first via email. Then when the story broke I saw it was still on the league site so I accepted and it was processed. I was just wondering if this was ethical or if I should offer the other to reverse it. ?

ETA my wr situation in this league is fairly decent with Randy , Marvin , Galloway, Engram which is why I did it - my RBs are R. Brown , C. Williams ( out for season ) , Pittman , and Henry - which is why I was even willing to do the deal for Branch ?

thoughts on the ethics here ?
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bolded part, the decline makes it questionable.IMO you want to re-discuss a deal that's one thing but to re-accept it without discussion AFTER the denial email, is shady.

Denial email changes things IMO
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:goodposting: Others have stated this, I just liked the way Bri put it.

 
Completely fair.

That being said, last basketball season I accepted a trade of Gilbert Arenas for Ray Allen the minute that the Sonics game came on TV and the announcer said Allen was injured and would not be back for a while. I felt bad about it and the trade was with a friend, so I offered to reverse the trade. He accepted.

Sometimes its worth taking a hit on your team to not screw over a friend. Fantasy sports arent always that important.

 
Technically, it is fair to have processed the trade.....however, the other owner may feel taken in the deal (as if it came out during business hours - we can't be glued to the news or the site). If you want to have trades with this guy in the future, I would have handled it differently - you don't have to tell him the news, link to a story or anything, but an email regarding the deal saying you had second thoughts and would like to do it if he's still on for the trade, referencing that you noticed it was still out there....

If he says he's still on - then you process....

That's just my 2 cents (note - I've been in the same league with the same guys for 12 years - there may be a trade 2 years down the road that I really need or want, and if bad karma is in the other owner's mind - then it won't be a go because of the grudge).

 
I think it's the same as if Branch went out that day in practice and got hurt and you accepted it. Pretty shady.

 
Why is it someone else's fault if a person make an uneducated trade decision? Stop the buck passing. In a competitive league, all is fair. If this is a shrug your shoulders league with no stakes with newbs or such, then yeah it's probably not nice.

 
For the last three posters (not Pahty Tom):

Did you read where the OP REJECTED the trade by e-mail.

Came home.

Then ACCEPTED it b/c it was still up on the leagues site?

Aa others stated, the other owner likely relied on the e-mail rejection and didn't rush to remove the trade from the site, Then the news broke. I am sure he can prove to the commish that the OP rejected the trade (date stamp on the e-mail) before accepting it on the site.

Given that information, does your opinion change?

Whether or not he is allowed to do what he did, it is, IMO, definitely "shady" and not a "fair" move. He should allow the trade partner enough time to revoke the deal from the site or else check with him and see if the deal can still go forward given the new info.

 
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This is a gough one as we have had it happen in our league that someone sent an email saying they weren't intersted but when they went to reject a trade they accepted it by mistake as the links in MFL emails are pretty close together. Subsequently the trade was reversed as obviously he didn't mean to make the trade as was evident in the email. So the question is could you claim that you hit the wrong key in accepting as is evident by your email rejecting the trade?

 
If knowledge of Henry was undisclosed, and you had already declined. Then you are taking advantage and will forever be known as shady. :goodposting: You should offer to undo this, but since Branch is worth as much as Young, he may want to keep him. Either way, it's only fantasy football, and you should always do the right thing, win or lose.

 
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