would you rather -- jordy vs marshall? (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

who would you rather take in standard ppr/flex -- jordy nelson or b-marsh?

most draftboards have a these 'elite' guys at the top

calvin - 84/1500/12 in 14g -- loses linehan, gains lombardi

demaryius - 92/1400/14 in 16g

dez - 93/1200/13 in 16g -- gains linehan, dallas was last in total plays in 2013

aj - 98/1400/11 in 16g -- trades gruden for hue jackson

julio - 41/580/2 in 5g

b- marsh gained trestman, but only had cutler for 10g

2013 - 100/1300/12 in 16g with 10 of those 12 td in the 10g with cutler

2012 - 118/1500/11 -- no trestman

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

greg jennings is obviously long gone, but now james jones and finley have left and so will not be siphoning td production off j-nels

on the other hand

The Bears have reportedly tweaked their scheme "to find creative ways to put [brandon] Marshall in more advantageous matchups."

who do you take, are they really any worse than the fantastic 5, and how many wr would you rank ahead of your pick?

 

[pollardsvision]

I like Marshall more in both STAN and PPR. I like Nelson quite a bit too, but Marshall a bit more.

 

[SameSongNDance]

Marshall higher floor in PPR and they have comparable ceilings regardless of format IMO. Most people are going to say Marshall with good reason and they're likely correct but I'm a huge fan or Jordy this year for the reasons you mentioned. He could easily lead all WRs in TDs this year.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

Marshall higher floor in PPR and they have comparable ceilings regardless of format IMO. Most people are going to say Marshall with good reason and they're likely correct but I'm a huge fan or Jordy this year for the reasons you mentioned. He could easily lead all WRs in TDs this year.

what about the cobb effect? cobb wasn't there in most of 2013, +Rodgers +Cobb seems at best an offsetting change from 2013 for Jordy. how do you guys see this split working out for the Packs?

 

[Insein]

This is a tough one. I went Jordy but it was very close. I really think he'll have a monster year if both he and Rodgers stay healthy. Marshall I have no evidence to back it up but I feel like he's due for a regression. Again no evidence just a gut feeling.

 

[rickyg]

Jordy for me. He's just as talented and has the better qb.

 

[SameSongNDance]

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

Marshall higher floor in PPR and they have comparable ceilings regardless of format IMO. Most people are going to say Marshall with good reason and they're likely correct but I'm a huge fan or Jordy this year for the reasons you mentioned. He could easily lead all WRs in TDs this year.

what about the cobb effect? cobb wasn't there in most of 2013, +Rodgers +Cobb seems at best an offsetting change from 2013 for Jordy. how do you guys see this split working out for the Packs?

Cobb is actually rather good in the RZ. 8 of his 13 career TDs have come from inside the 22 so he's likely to be used all over the field, not just in between the 20s. Still, Jordy was the 4th most targeted WR inside the RZ last year (Calvin 29, Graham 28, Fitz 27, Jordy 26) and I have to imagine he'll remain the preferable target. Rodgers and Jordy have looked near unstoppable on the back shoulder fade at times and the new rules will only make it harder to defend it. It's fair to question where Jones's RZ targets go (he had 15 last year, Boykin actually had 16) with Cobb back but I have to imagine a healthy Rodgers/Jordy connection is a near lock to produce multi digit TDs this year.

 

[ponchsox]

It's close but I'm buying the Packers offense this year. Jordy is going to explode.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

Marshall higher floor in PPR and they have comparable ceilings regardless of format IMO. Most people are going to say Marshall with good reason and they're likely correct but I'm a huge fan or Jordy this year for the reasons you mentioned. He could easily lead all WRs in TDs this year.

what about the cobb effect? cobb wasn't there in most of 2013, +Rodgers +Cobb seems at best an offsetting change from 2013 for Jordy. how do you guys see this split working out for the Packs?

all 3 (cobb + nelson + rodgers) played weeks1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 17, playoff

nelson = 6g 64 tgts 44 catches 700 yds 5 td

projects to 117/1800/13 off a ridiculously small sample, but the poit is that cobb doesn't sem to hurt him.

rodgers is one of the most prolific scorers in the league -- 1 guy won't catch everything

 

[Gottabesweet]

What's the earliest you would draft Nelson in PPR?

Also if drafting Rodgers would taking Nelson be more likely?

 

[SameSongNDance]

What's the earliest you would draft Nelson in PPR?

Also if drafting Rodgers would taking Nelson be more likely?

I think it's fair to take Nelson at any point in the 2nd. Also pairing up a QB and WR only introduces your team to systematic risk. If vbd dictates you take Nelson and Rodgers that's fine but I wouldn't exactly go out of my way to do so. It makes more sense to pair of QBs and Ks but that's for another thread I suppose.

 

[JamesTheScot]

who would you rather take in standard ppr/flex -- jordy nelson or b-marsh?

most draftboards have a these 'elite' guys at the top

calvin - 84/1500/12 in 14g -- loses linehan, gains lombardi

demaryius - 92/1400/14 in 16g

dez - 93/1200/13 in 16g -- gains linehan, dallas was last in total plays in 2013

aj - 98/1400/11 in 16g -- trades gruden for hue jackson

julio - 41/580/2 in 5g

b- marsh gained trestman, but only had cutler for 10g

2013 - 100/1300/12 in 16g with 10 of those 12 td in the 10g with cutler

2012 - 118/1500/11 -- no trestman

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

greg jennings is obviously long gone, but now james jones and finley have left and so will not be siphoning td production off j-nels

on the other hand

The Bears have reportedly tweaked their scheme "to find creative ways to put [brandon] Marshall in more advantageous matchups."

who do you take, are they really any worse than the fantastic 5, and how many wr would you rank ahead of your pick?

Just curious why you didn't do the same 16 game projection for Marshall with Cutler.

 

[Darryl Talley]

I took Jeffery over Marshall.

 

[Leonidas]

I had Marshall higher on my board but I ended up with Nelson in two leagues and Marshall in none (out of 7 leagues, all standard scoring).

I value them damn near the same, but most people take Marshall first, I had a lot of early picks, Marshall wasn't making it to the late second, Nelson was.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

who would you rather take in standard ppr/flex -- jordy nelson or b-marsh?

most draftboards have a these 'elite' guys at the top

calvin - 84/1500/12 in 14g -- loses linehan, gains lombardi

demaryius - 92/1400/14 in 16g

dez - 93/1200/13 in 16g -- gains linehan, dallas was last in total plays in 2013

aj - 98/1400/11 in 16g -- trades gruden for hue jackson

julio - 41/580/2 in 5g

b- marsh gained trestman, but only had cutler for 10g

2013 - 100/1300/12 in 16g with 10 of those 12 td in the 10g with cutler

2012 - 118/1500/11 -- no trestman

j-nels only had rodgers for 9g (inc playoff)

2013 - 85/1300/8 in 16g, however 56/870/8 in 9g with a-rod projects to 100/1500/14 over 16g

2012 - 50/740/7 in 10g projects to 80/1200/11 in 16g (james jones 14 td)

2011 - 68/1300/15 (finley 8 td, jennings 9 td))

greg jennings is obviously long gone, but now james jones and finley have left and so will not be siphoning td production off j-nels

on the other hand

The Bears have reportedly tweaked their scheme "to find creative ways to put [brandon] Marshall in more advantageous matchups."

who do you take, are they really any worse than the fantastic 5, and how many wr would you rank ahead of your pick?

Just curious why you didn'tdidn't do the same 16 game projection for Marshall with Cutler.

Well, i kind of made the point that marshall had the 10 td with cutler - i'm on my phone, but from memory the catches and yzrds didn't project much different, so i just noted td