Would you vote for Rudy Giuliani? (1 Viewer)

[timschochet]

I've always kind of liked Rudy, though I disagree with him on several issues. It appears that he is going to run for President again , and he may see the Ferguson incident as a means to run as a law and order guy.

My question is for conservatives in this forum: in 2008 Rudy didn't get very far despite an early lead in the polls, and that was thought to be because of his social views, some of which are quite liberal. This time around would you be open to voting for him? And what do you think of his chances for the nomination?

 

[rockaction]

I've always kind of liked Rudy, though I disagree with him on several issues. It appears that he is going to run for President again , and he may see the Ferguson incident as a means to run as a law and order guy.

My question is for conservatives in this forum: in 2008 Rudy didn't get very far despite an early lead in the polls, and that was thought to be because of his social views, some of which are quite liberal. This time around would you be open to voting for him? And what do you think of his chances for the nomination?

I'd like to hear what he had to say, and would certainly be open to an honest dialogue, but I'm pretty sure there's no new tricks up his sleeve. To get my vote, any Republican/conservative candidate needs to address the NSA, domestic spying, foreign policy, and policing in ways that aren't necessarily up Rudy's alley.

His chances are very, very slim, but one should never underestimate the Republican party and the importance of establishment weight.

 

[timschochet]

Yeah I've never heard Rudy address the NSA issue but I think it's a good bet he's not going to come out against it . Just a hunch.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

It appears that he is going to run for President again

Where are you seeing this? I'm skeptical.

 

[MCguidance]

No.

 

[timschochet]

It appears that he is going to run for President again

Where are you seeing this? I'm skeptical.

ive heard it on the radio and TV. All speculation.

 

[Slapdash]

#### no. Dude is awful on the most important issues.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Everything was lined up for him to succeed the last time he ran and he dropped the ball big time. Honestly, it felt to me like someone else that was running had the good on him and he purposely tanked because he didn't want it to come out. I don't see any plausible scenario in which he runs again.

 

[saintfool]

i remember voting for him when i was living in NYC. he was the best of a very bad bunch. what people fail to understand is that he's kind of a ##### - petulant, charmless and generally dismissive - to those who disagree with him. he had his moments as mayor but, on the national stage, he's kind of one-note and overly managed. he would be better served running as a senator for a term nstead of a "consultant" and talking head but that ships seems to have sailed.

 

[The Ref]

He screwed himself by punting iowa. It was all downhill after that.

 

[Don Quixote]

Some of it seemed strategy the last time too. He didn't fight in the early states, and put his marbles into Super Tuesday and the larger states. But that basically left him as an after-thought by the time those states voted.

 

[squistion]

I've always kind of liked Rudy, though I disagree with him on several issues. It appears that he is going to run for President again , and he may see the Ferguson incident as a means to run as a law and order guy.

I can't speak for conservatives, but viewing it from the other side, so far he doesn't seem to generating that much enthusiasm among them, even though he is hitting the popular right wing memes about Ferguson, national security, response to terrorism, etc.

He ran as a law and order advocate last time, but it didn't get him too far. He came across as kind of a "one note" guy - recall Biden's quote about Giuliani "There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb, and 9/11".

I think his best hope is that (because of his stand on some social issues) he will be the moderate alternative if Jeb Bush stays out and Christie falters. If he becomes the nominee the conservatives would grudgingly support him (or just about anyone as a alternative to Hillary).

 

[saintfool]

I've always kind of liked Rudy, though I disagree with him on several issues. It appears that he is going to run for President again , and he may see the Ferguson incident as a means to run as a law and order guy.

I can't speak for conservatives, but viewing it from the other side, so far he doesn't seem to generating that much enthusiasm among them, even though he is hitting the popular right wing memes about Ferguson, national security, response to terrorism, etc.

He ran as a law and order guy last time, but it didn't get him too far. He came across as kind of a "one note" guy - recall Biden's quote about Giuliani "There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb, and 9/11".

I think his best hope is that (because of his stand on some social issues) he will be the moderate alternative if Jeb Bush stays out and Christie falters. If he becomes the nominee the conservatives would grudgingly support him (or just about anyone as a alternative to Hillary).

i would be *really* amused to see him in a debate format with christie. it would be all kinds of awesome.

 

[FlapJacks]

he lost 2008 because of his fatally flawed strategy of skipping Iowa and New Hampshire

 

[tommyGunZ]

Speaks volumes about the futility of the current GOP that this clown would even consider running. He's awful on the issues.

 

[johnnycakes]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

 

[timschochet]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

 

[johnnycakes]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

OK, I'm from MA, not New York.... what was he, Mayor? Gimme a break, Tim. I like the guy. He's on the radio all the time.

 

[Two Deep]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

 

[Hilts]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

OK, I'm from MA, not New York.... what was he, Mayor? Gimme a break, Tim. I like the guy. He's on the radio all the time.

That's kind of a huge distinction. If you're going to say he was competent at a job he never had (nor ever came close to holding), and would make a good President, it's not unreasonable to call you out for being entirely off base. Then you say it's about what they do, and less what they say...but you only know about him from listening to what he says on the radio?

C'mon...

 

[johnnycakes]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

OK, I'm from MA, not New York.... what was he, Mayor? Gimme a break, Tim. I like the guy. He's on the radio all the time.

That's kind of a huge distinction. If you're going to say he was competent at a job he never had (nor ever came close to holding), and would make a good President, it's not unreasonable to call you out for being entirely off base. Then you say it's about what they do, and less what they say...but you only know about him from listening to what he says on the radio?

C'mon...

I'll confess, I only know about him from listening to the radio. Same as what I've known about every candidate, presidential, state or local, since the 1980's.

ETA: I could argue that being a mayor of NYC is a bigger job than being governor of many states, including Texas or Florida.

 

[saintfool]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

 

[johnnycakes]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

I've heard that, too. After the recent run of presidents, I think there might be something to be said for the imperial presidency.

 

[Koya]

No. Wartime generals rarely make great leaders. He can't build consensus, does not really seem to care to and is far too closeminded and curt to be effective in DC.

 

[E Street Brat]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

Chris Chistie.

Unless Hillary runs.

 

[johnnycakes]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

Chris Chistie.

Unless Hillary runs.

Yeah, I like Chris Christie, too. I hear him on the radio all the time as well. No so much Hillary.

 

[CBusAlex]

I'm voting for the person I hear on the radio the most, too. T-Swizzle for president.

 

[johnnycakes]

I'm voting for the person I hear on the radio the most, too. T-Swizzle for president.

You do that and you'll be better informed than 95% of American voters.

 

[timschochet]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

OK, I'm from MA, not New York.... what was he, Mayor? Gimme a break, Tim. I like the guy. He's on the radio all the time.

That's kind of a huge distinction. If you're going to say he was competent at a job he never had (nor ever came close to holding), and would make a good President, it's not unreasonable to call you out for being entirely off base. Then you say it's about what they do, and less what they say...but you only know about him from listening to what he says on the radio?C'mon...

I'll confess, I only know about him from listening to the radio. Same as what I've known about every candidate, presidential, state or local, since the 1980's. ETA: I could argue that being a mayor of NYC is a bigger job than being governor of many states, including Texas or Florida.

it IS a bigger job than being governor of many states...but not Texas or Florida . You picked two pretty bad examples.

 

[tommyGunZ]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

Anything to support the "Obama opening the door for more executive orders" statement, considering he's signed the fewest executive orders per year than any president since Grover Cleveland?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Wasn't a fan after his 2008 attempt. His strategy to ignore NH and bank on Florida didn't work, but I don't have anything trying something different and failing. The big thing for me was his obsessive use of the phrase "9-11" in every sentence. We get it, you were the mayor in NYC at the time. You have anything else?

 

[saintfool]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

Anything to support the "Obama opening the door for more executive orders" statement, considering he's signed the fewest executive orders per year than any president since Grover Cleveland?

yes, other presidents have issued executive orders. you are correct, in that previous administrations have issued more. he could have easily issued more than one

Establishing an Emergency Board To Investigate Disputes Between the Long Island Rail Road Company And Certain Of Its Employees Represented By Certain Labor Organizationsbut showed remarkable restraint. he's not one for padding, i guess.

 

[Soonerman]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

Anything to support the "Obama opening the door for more executive orders" statement, considering he's signed the fewest executive orders per year than any president since Grover Cleveland?

I think you are smart enough to know that number of executive orders is meaningless. It's the scope of what they do that is objectionable.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Wasn't a fan after his 2008 attempt. His

strategy to ignore NH and bank on Florida didn't work, but I don't have anything trying something different and failing. The big thing for me was his obsessive use of the phrase "9-11" in every sentence. We get it, you were the mayor in NYC at the time. You have anything else?

He also did a good job as Governor

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

Rob Ford?

 

[saintfool]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

Anything to support the "Obama opening the door for more executive orders" statement, considering he's signed the fewest executive orders per year than any president since Grover Cleveland?

I think you are smart enough to know that number of executive orders is meaningless. It's the scope of what they CAN do that is objectionable.

edited for accuracy.

depends on your politics, i'm sure.

 

[saintfool]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

Rob Ford?

or as I like to call him: Canada's-Answer-To-President-Taft

 

[FlapJacks]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

Governor?

[boon] Forget it, he's rolling [/boon]

 

[FlapJacks]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

That would be Christie

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

 

[joffer]

I'm voting for the person I hear on the radio the most, too. T-Swizzle for president.

id vote for Scott Van Pelt

 

[FlapJacks]

He was very competent as a governor. Politics is too much about appearances and what the candidates says; not enough about what they do. I think Rudy would be a great president. But he'll never get elected.

rudy is not the kind of guy that plays well with others. he's the perfect guy for the imperial presidency. with obama opening the door for more executive orders to be issues because congress is a ####show, rudy would have no qualms about running the country *his* way.

despite the regular Fox appearances, he's not conservative or "independent" - *coughcoughcough* - to please the GOP voters. he's hawk-ish in a time when most americans don't want that. he was surprisingly tone-deaf on matters of race as a mayor and it would seem that it hasn't changed.

Anything to support the "Obama opening the door for more executive orders" statement, considering he's signed the fewest executive orders per year than any president since Grover Cleveland?

Meaning he's named fewer parks?

It's fallacious to measure by quantity and not by impact

 

[saintfool]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

no, it's his style of governance that has been a problem. he could knock around the city council in NYC to get what he wanted but it's not going to work with congress. his admiration for Putin and failure to understand how Washington works is pretty damning.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

no, it's his style of governance that has been a problem. he could knock around the city council in NYC to get what he wanted but it's not going to work with congress. his admiration for Putin and failure to understand how Washington works is pretty damning.

Hm ok, I'm listening. The link didn't work but I will check it out if reposted, thanks for the info.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I do think the country wants at least one thing that Obama was offering in 2008 and IIRC Bush in 2000 as well, and that is someone who will work with Congress. Obama and Bush may not have done this (let's leave that to other threads), but I would like to find someone who will actively seek to get legislation passed through Congress, and what's more will have the skill, determination and experience to actually accomplish that. Is that even possible in this day and age?

 

[saintfool]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

no, it's his style of governance that has been a problem. he could knock around the city council in NYC to get what he wanted but it's not going to work with congress. his admiration for Putin and failure to understand how Washington works is pretty damning.

Hm ok, I'm listening. The link didn't work but I will check it out if reposted, thanks for the info.

link fixed.

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

I'm voting for some fat person.....Whoever is fattest gets my vote.

If you have 70 million or so friends it would be real fun to see the candidates "pander" for your vote.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

no, it's his style of governance that has been a problem. he could knock around the city council in NYC to get what he wanted but it's not going to work with congress. his admiration for Putin and failure to understand how Washington works is pretty damning.

Hm ok, I'm listening. The link didn't work but I will check it out if reposted, thanks for the info.

link fixed.

Ok I'm at a remote spot where it's being blocked, but I did look this up. It's mediamatters but they do provide an original video source, which is good. - Yeah that's an abundantly stupid comment and completely ignores that we're talking about a dictator here. I agree, concerning.

By the way Obama's deliberateness is not a problem for me, it's a good quality in a president, but Syria (which Giuliani was discussing) IMO is not a good example of that, the deliberation was not the problem behind that series of events. Somehow Rudy confuses decisiveness and lack of opposition with leadership. I wonder what Rudy would say about Obama's decisiveness when it comes to immigration.

 

[Eephus]

Bob Dole is tanned, rested and ready

 

[Slapdash]

I like Rudy, and really I think he would make a very good president. He just has personal stuff going on, whether it be him or his family, that I think always has kept him from rising to the next level. We shall see this time if he does run, it's surprising news to me if so. He's won every domestic debate and every policy discussion I've ever seen him involved in.

no, it's his style of governance that has been a problem. he could knock around the city council in NYC to get what he wanted but it's not going to work with congress. his admiration for Putin and failure to understand how Washington works is pretty damning.

Hm ok, I'm listening. The link didn't work but I will check it out if reposted, thanks for the info.

link fixed.

Ok I'm at a remote spot where it's being blocked, but I did look this up. It's mediamatters but they do provide an original video source, which is good. - Yeah that's an abundantly stupid comment and completely ignores that we're talking about a dictator here. I agree, concerning.

IT would be a lot less concerning if he didn't already support aggressive police state tactics.