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WR Branch's Holdout May Extend Into Regular Season (1 Viewer)

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FOXBORO, Mass. – If Deion Branch follows through on the promise he has made privately to a couple of his friends, the question may not be how long it takes him to get ready for this season.

Rather, the question may be over how much season is left.

Branch, the New England Patriots' top wide receiver and Super Bowl XXXIX MVP, has missed all of training camp while holding out for a new contract or at least the promise that the team won't put the franchise tag on him after this season. He has told at least two friends he is willing to sit out part of the year and play only the minimum amount of time necessary to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

"People don't understand how committed he is to this," a source close to Branch said. "He's not going to come in until he gets something he feels that is fair."

Of course, "fair" is a relative term and this kind of brave talk about holding out for part of the season has melted plenty of times when players realize that walking away from a good chunk of $1 million is harder than you think. Branch is also staying in Boston these days, fueling the notion that he'll report any day now.

That said, Branch has shown greater resolve than most people expected. He has racked up approximately $250,000 in fines for his holdout so far (if the Patriots choose to enforce the language of the collective bargaining agreement), but if Branch's holdout continues into the season, an NFL Players Association source said the union would likely advise him to show up for the final nine weeks.

The real issue in this mess is what impact Branch's holdout will have on the Patriots. Specifically, how will it impact quarterback Tom Brady?

The Patriots, who have never paid a premium price for a wide receiver, are going through a drastic transition at the position this season, particularly with a quarterback who puts such an emphasis on timing. David Givens, the No. 2 receiver from last season, was allowed to leave as a free agent. Likewise, receivers Tim Dwight, Andre Davis and Bethel Johnson are gone.

That means that, including Branch, five of the top six receivers from last season aren't around. The only returnee is 35-year-old Troy Brown, who was third on the team with 39 catches last season. Throw in the fact that rookie Chad Jackson, the team's second-round pick, has missed almost all of training camp with a hamstring injury and you have the makings of a serious problem for the New England offense.

For his part, Brady has been caught between trying to convince the Patriots to give Branch a new contract and playing the role of good soldier. Brady was quoted in Sports Illustrated last month as supporting Branch's desire for a new deal, but he has since downplayed the comments.

How Brady reacts later, after a couple of games of throwing to guys he isn't familiar with, figures to be interesting.

"Working with a guy you've known for a long time isn't any problem at all," Brady said. "I could go a year without throwing to Troy Brown and I would know everything about how to throw him the ball. I know how he likes to run routes, his body language, when he's setting up a pattern."

But …

"It's different with guys you haven't worked with," Brady said. "It can take a long time to get to know what they like to do. Everybody is different, but there's really no set timetable."

As for coach Bill Belichick, he has downplayed the long-term problems of Branch's holdout. However, Belichick had a revealing comment about NFL passing attacks when asked to assess a rookie linebacker on his squad earlier this week.

"No linebacker in college football sees what we see on a weekly basis in the passing game in the [NFL]," Belichick said. "They might see it against a team or two, or maybe even their team might be a good passing team, but the level of the passing game in the National Football League – the formations, the routes, the skill of the players – is a significantly higher level and more. Not necessarily complex, but there is a lot more happening and it happens a lot quicker. And the mistakes are magnified because the quarterbacks and the receivers are all better."

Of course, the converse of Belichick's statement is that young receivers – or receivers who have missed significant time – are likely to have problems as well.

As for Branch, at this point he is willing to accept an agreement from the team that it will not place the franchise tag on him. Branch isn't necessarily looking for top-echelon money, but he believes his value is in line with Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne. Wayne received a six-year, $40 million contract in the offseason after playing out the final year of his original five-year contract.

Included in Wayne's deal is $23 million over the first three years of the contract. While Wayne has achieved more than Branch from an individual statistical standpoint, the comparison is flawed because of the difference between the two teams in terms of style of offense.

But Branch clearly trumps Wayne in the most important comparison: two rings for Branch, zero for Wayne.

New England's unstated position is that the organization does not like to pay a premium price for a wide receiver. The Patriots have offered Branch, who has one year remaining on his original five-year deal, a three-year extension to his contract. In essence, Branch can make $19 million over the next four years.

While there is logic to that position, there's a harsh reality about what could happen to New England's offense if Branch isn't around.

 
I would think that Reche Caldwell is the man to have if this continues, and even if it ends last week of preseason, I would think that Caldwell could be late round gold. We'll see.

 
As a Branch dynasty owner without great depth at WR, I can only say :wall: :wall: :wall:

Although I did manage to pluck Vincent Jackson off waivers last week. :thumbup:

 
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Sounds like posturing to me - don't get too workerd up, Branch will probably be in there on opening day What he is "willing" to do and what the team is willing to let him do are two different things.

 
I would think that Reche Caldwell is the man to have if this continues, and even if it ends last week of preseason, I would think that Caldwell could be late round gold. We'll see.
Unless Caldwell gets his act together and catches the ball when it hits his hands I'll pass on him all day long thanks ... he dropped 2 short easy tosses in the Pats exhibition opener, one for a score ... give me Mills all day long from what I saw :football:

 
Good article.

The Patriots, who have never paid a premium price for a wide receiver, are going through a drastic transition at the position this season, particularly with a quarterback who puts such an emphasis on timing. David Givens, the No. 2 receiver from last season, was allowed to leave as a free agent. Likewise, receivers Tim Dwight, Andre Davis and Bethel Johnson are gone.

That means that, including Branch, five of the top six receivers from last season aren't around. The only returnee is 35-year-old Troy Brown, who was third on the team with 39 catches last season. Throw in the fact that rookie Chad Jackson, the team's second-round pick, has missed almost all of training camp with a hamstring injury and you have the makings of a serious problem for the New England offense.

For his part, Brady has been caught between trying to convince the Patriots to give Branch a new contract and playing the role of good soldier. Brady was quoted in Sports Illustrated last month as supporting Branch's desire for a new deal, but he has since downplayed the comments.

How Brady reacts later, after a couple of games of throwing to guys he isn't familiar with, figures to be interesting.

"Working with a guy you've known for a long time isn't any problem at all," Brady said. "I could go a year without throwing to Troy Brown and I would know everything about how to throw him the ball. I know how he likes to run routes, his body language, when he's setting up a pattern."
I think Troy Brown is going to have a much bigger role in this offense in 2006. If Branch ends his holdout or not. I also think the longer Branch holds out the more of a injury risk he becomes when he does return.Troy Brown:

+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Rushing | Receiving |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 1993 nwe | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 2 22 11.0 0 |

| 1994 nwe | 9 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 0 0 0.0 0 |

| 1995 nwe | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 14 159 11.4 0 |

| 1996 nwe | 16 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 21 222 10.6 0 |

| 1997 nwe | 16 | 1 -18 -18.0 0 | 41 607 14.8 6 |

| 1998 nwe | 10 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 23 346 15.0 1 |

| 1999 nwe | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 36 471 13.1 1 |

| 2000 nwe | 16 | 6 46 7.7 0 | 83 944 11.4 4 |

| 2001 nwe | 16 | 11 91 8.3 0 | 101 1199 11.9 5 |

| 2002 nwe | 14 | 3 14 4.7 0 | 97 890 9.2 3 |

| 2003 nwe | 12 | 6 27 4.5 0 | 40 472 11.8 4 |

| 2004 nwe | 12 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 17 184 10.8 1 |

| 2005 nwe | 13 | 0 0 0.0 0 | 39 466 11.9 2 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 175 | 27 160 5.9 0 | 514 5982 11.6 27 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
The last 3 seasons Brown has given way to Branch and Givens being the primary Wrs. However he still has maintained a significant role in the offense. With so many Wrs leaving from last year I expect his role in the offense to increase again as well as increased targets to Watson and more emphasis on running the ball.I see Troy Brown catching 50-80 balls in 2006 depending on when Branch returns to starting role in the offense.

 
I see Troy Brown catching 50-80 balls in 2006 depending on when Branch returns to starting role in the offense.
With all due respect, Troy Brown is never going to catch 80 balls this year - Branch or no Branch. 50-60, sure...but 80 is too much to ask of a smallish older player. There are too many other better weapons at Brady's disposal for him to lock onto Brown.That said, it would be a heck of a story if he did pull in 80.Now if they could only get Chad Jackson on the field....
 
I will say it again. Branch has scored 14 total touchdowns in 4 NFL seasons and has never a 1,000 yard receiving season. Yes, he has been great in the postseason, but his regular season numbers are way too pedestrian for him to be asking for what he is.

 
I will say it again. Branch has scored 14 total touchdowns in 4 NFL seasons and has never a 1,000 yard receiving season. Yes, he has been great in the postseason, but his regular season numbers are way too pedestrian for him to be asking for what he is.
I agree somewhat. But all of the top WR get more targets than Branch. Here are some examples from 2005:Player:TargetsSteve Smith:164Chad Johnson:167Larry Fitz:170Torry Holt:175Boldin:188Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
 
I see Troy Brown catching 50-80 balls in 2006 depending on when Branch returns to starting role in the offense.
With all due respect, Troy Brown is never going to catch 80 balls this year - Branch or no Branch. 50-60, sure...but 80 is too much to ask of a smallish older player. There are too many other better weapons at Brady's disposal for him to lock onto Brown.That said, it would be a heck of a story if he did pull in 80.Now if they could only get Chad Jackson on the field....
Is it really so far fetched for Troy Brown who averaged 94 catches a year from 2000-2003 to possibly come close to those numbers now?Branch is a small Wr also. I don't see Browns height hurting him at all. It certainly didn't when Brown was catching all those passes 3 years ago or since then either. The thing that has kept his numbers down is Branch and Givens starting ahead of him. He still got action as the 3rd Wr though and in part has kept Branch and Givens from putting up better numbers.Now he has all the opportunity again at the age of 35. Bradys comments definitly seem to be saying Brown is his most trusted target with Branch holding out now.
 
I will say it again. Branch has scored 14 total touchdowns in 4 NFL seasons and has never a 1,000 yard receiving season. Yes, he has been great in the postseason, but his regular season numbers are way too pedestrian for him to be asking for what he is.
I just unloaded him in a keeper league for just this reason (in addition to him holding out for the bling). Even when healthy, he was tough to depend on consistently - mainly b/c Brady spreads it around everywhere. Good for the team, but bad for FF owners. However, if history is any indication, any guy I drop/trade from my squad will go off :bag: , so get him while you can.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
 
The problem with Branch's reasoning is he's not an unrestricted free agent. He can make an excellent case that he deserves Wayne money. If he was on the open market he might get it. Yet, since he's currently under contract he can't completely compare himself to a player who had the leverage of accepting offers from other teams. His best bet would be to go the Givens route. Play out his deal, talk with the Pats and if things don't get done than move on to the big money in another city.

If Branch holds out the majority of the season and doesn't contribute too much in 06 he could be playing with fire. He's not a 6'2" 210lb all world talent. He's a high quality, very productive WR with some physical limitations (i.e. his size limits him as a legit #1 since he can be manhandled). There are no guarantees he will break the bank if 06 turns out to be a wash. The better he plays in 06 the more money will be waiting for him if he can't get a deal done with the Pats. That's his best bargaining chip. Also, the Pats can use the franchise tag on him so he's not even guaranteed to get to free agency. Branch doesn't have a ton of hand here and if he's expecting the Pats to blink this could get very ugly. Hopefully the Pats will increase the upfront money and Branch will realize he's not unrestricted and a deal will get done. That's the best case scenario for both sides.

 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d:
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
When you look at the aggregate and fail to include all stats, yes. In reality, not even close.Wayne got all his stats (10/221/2) vs Denver in their one blow-out playoff win, but he only had 3/35/0 in a loss to Indy (at that point, the most important game of the season for him).Branch had 4/116/1 vs Pitt in the AFC chamiponship and added 2 carries for 37 yards and another TD (which you conveniently failed to include in your comparision)...then went 11 for 133 in a SB win and earned the MVP.Having one stat padding game and diappearing in a loss is in no shape or form comparable to back-to-back MVP level performances while leading your team to conference and league championship wins.
 
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Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
No but once again he's never been targeted like a true #1 WR. In 2004, Wayne averaged around 2 targets more per game than Branch and Manning was having a record year. My point is that Branch is a #1 WR but only gets the opportunities of #2 WR. So it's difficult to compare him just based on stats alone. He just doesn't get as many passes thrown his way. Steve Smith would probably put up pedestrian numbers in that offense. I'm not saying that Branch = Steve Smith, but I think he's on the same talent level as Wayne.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
No but once again he's never been targeted like a true #1 WR. In 2004, Wayne averaged around 2 targets more per game than Branch and Manning was having a record year. My point is that Branch is a #1 WR but only gets the opportunities of #2 WR. So it's difficult to compare him just based on stats alone. He just doesn't get as many passes thrown his way. Steve Smith would probably put up pedestrian numbers in that offense. I'm not saying that Branch = Steve Smith, but I think he's on the same talent level as Wayne.
Which is exactly why the Pats haven't blinked (yet) . . . I still say that the Pats can't afford to go into the regular season with Caldwell as the #1 and who knows who as the #2 . . . Branch does have SOME leverage . . .
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
No but once again he's never been targeted like a true #1 WR. In 2004, Wayne averaged around 2 targets more per game than Branch and Manning was having a record year. My point is that Branch is a #1 WR but only gets the opportunities of #2 WR. So it's difficult to compare him just based on stats alone. He just doesn't get as many passes thrown his way. Steve Smith would probably put up pedestrian numbers in that offense. I'm not saying that Branch = Steve Smith, but I think he's on the same talent level as Wayne.
Which is exactly why the Pats haven't blinked (yet) . . . I still say that the Pats can't afford to go into the regular season with Caldwell as the #1 and who knows who as the #2 . . . Branch does have SOME leverage . . .
I just don't understand why the Pats front office is playing hardball. They let Givens go for a reason. Branch is clearly the #1 guy but they don't want to pay him. But you look at how they handled some of the other veterans like Vinatieri and you see what a cutthroat business it really has become. You could be the Superbowl MVP hero of the franchise and still not get paid if you don't have the right leverage. It works both ways but in this case I'd like to see the Pats show a little more loyalty to their core players. And I'm not even a Pats fan.
 
Which is exactly why the Pats haven't blinked (yet) . . . I still say that the Pats can't afford to go into the regular season with Caldwell as the #1 and who knows who as the #2 . . . Branch does have SOME leverage . . .
Branch's leverage is called Brady...he knows the team won't go too far with the WR corps they have currently...even if they do sign Branch, IMHO, they are still thin at that position.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
No but once again he's never been targeted like a true #1 WR. In 2004, Wayne averaged around 2 targets more per game than Branch and Manning was having a record year. My point is that Branch is a #1 WR but only gets the opportunities of #2 WR. So it's difficult to compare him just based on stats alone. He just doesn't get as many passes thrown his way. Steve Smith would probably put up pedestrian numbers in that offense. I'm not saying that Branch = Steve Smith, but I think he's on the same talent level as Wayne.
Which is exactly why the Pats haven't blinked (yet) . . . I still say that the Pats can't afford to go into the regular season with Caldwell as the #1 and who knows who as the #2 . . . Branch does have SOME leverage . . .
I just don't understand why the Pats front office is playing hardball. They let Givens go for a reason. Branch is clearly the #1 guy but they don't want to pay him. But you look at how they handled some of the other veterans like Vinatieri and you see what a cutthroat business it really has become. You could be the Superbowl MVP hero of the franchise and still not get paid if you don't have the right leverage. It works both ways but in this case I'd like to see the Pats show a little more loyalty to their core players. And I'm not even a Pats fan.
There is no loyalty...from the players or the teams. It's strictly business. If you want to avoid cap hell than you have to run your team without emotion. It also means making decisions that may not be too popular in the short term. The Pats have a number in mind for Branch and that's what they are going with. Due to the style of ball the Pats play Branch's best bet for big money maybe elsewhere. It makes no sense for the Pats to give a WR real big money if that position isn't fully utilized. It may make sense for Indy with how their team is built but it's a different style of football in Foxboro.
 
i think you can sit out 10 games (?) and still get credited with a "year" of service towards free agency...

galloway did it, played his string out in holmgren's doghouse (reduced opps)

i think mccardell was going to do this but TB traded him to SD...

as to the player & team disagreeing about his value, this is not a big surprise...

the situation is very similar to westbrook & the eagles... he wanted the ball more, but they refused to give it to him (in fairness to PHI, it would have increased chance of injury as it is somewhat of an open question whether he can handle a feature RB type load)...

than when it came time to negotiate, they said you don't get enough carries to get paid like feature RB... :)

in the end, they settled on a compromise... westbrook may have taken less than he could have gotten elsewhere as he clearly is a great fit in eagles offense... & PHI may have ponied up more than they originally planned, maybe when they realized how important he is to the teams chances...

imo you have to separate out branch's abilities from how he is used in a system that restricts his opps due to how the ball is spread around so much...

is there anybody here that doesn't think branch would have cracked 1,000 yards several times already if he had played opposite torry holt instead of bruce in mad martz's offense his entire career? it is relative...

 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d:Good example that you should never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer...
 
The problem with Branch's reasoning is he's not an unrestricted free agent. He can make an excellent case that he deserves Wayne money. If he was on the open market he might get it. Yet, since he's currently under contract he can't completely compare himself to a player who had the leverage of accepting offers from other teams. His best bet would be to go the Givens route. Play out his deal, talk with the Pats and if things don't get done than move on to the big money in another city.If Branch holds out the majority of the season and doesn't contribute too much in 06 he could be playing with fire. He's not a 6'2" 210lb all world talent. He's a high quality, very productive WR with some physical limitations (i.e. his size limits him as a legit #1 since he can be manhandled). There are no guarantees he will break the bank if 06 turns out to be a wash. The better he plays in 06 the more money will be waiting for him if he can't get a deal done with the Pats. That's his best bargaining chip. Also, the Pats can use the franchise tag on him so he's not even guaranteed to get to free agency. Branch doesn't have a ton of hand here and if he's expecting the Pats to blink this could get very ugly. Hopefully the Pats will increase the upfront money and Branch will realize he's not unrestricted and a deal will get done. That's the best case scenario for both sides.
IMO Branch would have to significantly improve his numbers over his past seasons to get big money as a UFA after 2006. If he repeats last season, I don't see him being a coveted free agent. He's not a legit #1, and everybody knows it but him and his agents. Actually, they probably know it too, which is exactly why they are pushing so hard for big money right now.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
No but once again he's never been targeted like a true #1 WR. In 2004, Wayne averaged around 2 targets more per game than Branch and Manning was having a record year. My point is that Branch is a #1 WR but only gets the opportunities of #2 WR. So it's difficult to compare him just based on stats alone. He just doesn't get as many passes thrown his way. Steve Smith would probably put up pedestrian numbers in that offense. I'm not saying that Branch = Steve Smith, but I think he's on the same talent level as Wayne.
Branch is only a #1 WR because the Pats don't have a #1, and he is their best #2 caliber WR, making him a #1 by default. On how many NFL teams would Branch be the #1 WR? Seriously.As for your ridiculous Steve Smith statement, I hope you don't really believe that. If the Pats had Smith, he might not get as many targets as he does with Carolina but he'd get far more than Branch gets. BB is a smart coach.
 
i think you can sit out 10 games (?) and still get credited with a "year" of service towards free agency...

galloway did it, played his string out in holmgren's doghouse (reduced opps)

i think mccardell was going to do this but TB traded him to SD...

as to the player & team disagreeing about his value, this is not a big surprise...

the situation is very similar to westbrook & the eagles... he wanted the ball more, but they refused to give it to him (in fairness to PHI, it would have increased chance of injury as it is somewhat of an open question whether he can handle a feature RB type load)...

than when it came time to negotiate, they said you don't get enough carries to get paid like feature RB... :)

in the end, they settled on a compromise... westbrook may have taken less than he could have gotten elsewhere as he clearly is a great fit in eagles offense... & PHI may have ponied up more than they originally planned, maybe when they realized how important he is to the teams chances...

imo you have to separate out branch's abilities from how he is used in a system that restricts his opps due to how the ball is spread around so much...

is there anybody here that doesn't think branch would have cracked 1,000 yards several times already if he had played opposite torry holt instead of bruce in mad martz's offense his entire career? it is relative...
Well, that's not a realistic question. Sure, in the literal scenario you posed he would have done better, but he isn't a fit for WR2 in Martz's offense, so I don't think that is a feasible situation. I suppose Martz might have considered him in the WR3 role, but he doesn't have the speed Martz likes (for WR2 or WR3).
 
I will say it again. Branch has scored 14 total touchdowns in 4 NFL seasons and has never a 1,000 yard receiving season. Yes, he has been great in the postseason, but his regular season numbers are way too pedestrian for him to be asking for what he is.
I agree somewhat. But all of the top WR get more targets than Branch. Here are some examples from 2005:Player:Targets

Steve Smith:164

Chad Johnson:167

Larry Fitz:170

Torry Holt:175

Boldin:188

Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Top guys (like Smith, CJ, Fitz, etc) get targeted a lot because they're open a lot. If Branch could beat a double-team once in awhile, maybe he'd get 170+ targets a year too.
 
Last preseason Hines Ward took a fair amount of heat on this board for holding out. Some going so far as comparing him to TO. Branch is getting off pretty easy here, considering the man is under contract just like Ward was.

 
The problem with Branch's reasoning is he's not an unrestricted free agent. He can make an excellent case that he deserves Wayne money. If he was on the open market he might get it. Yet, since he's currently under contract he can't completely compare himself to a player who had the leverage of accepting offers from other teams. His best bet would be to go the Givens route. Play out his deal, talk with the Pats and if things don't get done than move on to the big money in another city.If Branch holds out the majority of the season and doesn't contribute too much in 06 he could be playing with fire. He's not a 6'2" 210lb all world talent. He's a high quality, very productive WR with some physical limitations (i.e. his size limits him as a legit #1 since he can be manhandled). There are no guarantees he will break the bank if 06 turns out to be a wash. The better he plays in 06 the more money will be waiting for him if he can't get a deal done with the Pats. That's his best bargaining chip. Also, the Pats can use the franchise tag on him so he's not even guaranteed to get to free agency. Branch doesn't have a ton of hand here and if he's expecting the Pats to blink this could get very ugly. Hopefully the Pats will increase the upfront money and Branch will realize he's not unrestricted and a deal will get done. That's the best case scenario for both sides.
IMO Branch would have to significantly improve his numbers over his past seasons to get big money as a UFA after 2006. If he repeats last season, I don't see him being a coveted free agent. He's not a legit #1, and everybody knows it but him and his agents. Actually, they probably know it too, which is exactly why they are pushing so hard for big money right now.
In his defense he is comparing himself to non-#1's. Wayne is #2 in Indy, El was a #2 in Pittsburgh and Givens was the Pats #2 behind Branch. He has better numbers than two of the three. He is not comparing himself to a Holt, Chad or Marvin. The big difference between Branch and those three is they received the big money after they became free agents and Branch has a year left on his deal.As for Branch he is a very tough guy to slot. There is zero question his numbers could be far superior in another offense. He's a very talented wideout who runs fantastic routes, has great hands and is dangerous after the catch. The fact he can raise his game on the biggest stages is another plus. On the negative his size allows him to be taken out of games if a defense wants to go that route. Last year he had a few games where he was simply shut down. He's just not physically strong enough to fight through double teams and my guess is BB/Pioli are well aware of this. He's also no stranger to getting nicked up. Therefore the best situation for Branch maybe as a #2 on a high octane offense but there is no doubt he is currently the Pats #1.So, the bottomline for the Pats is not how much is he worth on the open market but how much is he worth to their offense. If they're going to use him like they did last year than his value is far greater to another team than it is to them. Why pay huge money to a talent that you don't plan on using to the fullest. If Branch isn't comfortable with that (and he is well within his right not to be) than he should play out his deal and take his talents to the highest bidder in the offseason. That's how the system works and he has every right to take care of his financial future. I wouldn't fault him one bit for doing so either...once his current deal expires.
 
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Branch is only a #1 WR because the Pats don't have a #1, and he is their best #2 caliber WR, making him a #1 by default. On how many NFL teams would Branch be the #1 WR? Seriously.As for your ridiculous Steve Smith statement, I hope you don't really believe that. If the Pats had Smith, he might not get as many targets as he does with Carolina but he'd get far more than Branch gets. BB is a smart coach.
Obviously you are too blinded by fantasy football rankings to realize that Branch is a legit #1 WR in the real world. And he could compete for the #1 WR role on over 75% of the teams in the league. And we can never know how Steve Smith would fare on the Pats, but I doubt BB would force feed him the same targets he gets in Carolina. If you look back at his history with the Browns, Jets with Parcells, and Pats, he has never operated that way. 2001 is the only time I can remember a WR (Troy Brown) getting over 100 receptions on a team coached by Belichick.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d:Good example that you should never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer...
:yawn: did you see HK's comeback? Read that and tell me who got "Owned" Branch >>>>>>>>>> Wayne in the post season
 
Branch is only a #1 WR because the Pats don't have a #1, and he is their best #2 caliber WR, making him a #1 by default. On how many NFL teams would Branch be the #1 WR? Seriously.As for your ridiculous Steve Smith statement, I hope you don't really believe that. If the Pats had Smith, he might not get as many targets as he does with Carolina but he'd get far more than Branch gets. BB is a smart coach.
Obviously you are too blinded by fantasy football rankings to realize that Branch is a legit #1 WR in the real world. And he could compete for the #1 WR role on over 75% of the teams in the league. And we can never know how Steve Smith would fare on the Pats, but I doubt BB would force feed him the same targets he gets in Carolina. If you look back at his history with the Browns, Jets with Parcells, and Pats, he has never operated that way. 2001 is the only time I can remember a WR (Troy Brown) getting over 100 receptions on a team coached by Belichick.
We can agree to disagree on Branch's real worth. We'll find out either by what the Pats sign him for if they do sign him, or via the free agent market next offseason. I think you're going to be surprised.And when did BB have a receiver as talented as Steve Smith?
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d:Good example that you should never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer...
:yawn: did you see HK's comeback? Read that and tell me who got "Owned" Branch >>>>>>>>>> Wayne in the post season
I guess you missed the part where Wayne has averaged slightly more catches, receiving yards, and TDs than Branch in their postseason careers. You have a strange definition of >>>>>>>>>>. :bye:
 
the bottomline for the Pats is not how much is he worth on the open market but how much is he worth to their offense. If they're going to use him like they did last year than his value is far greater to another team than it is to them. Why pay huge money to a talent that you don't plan on using to the fullest. If Branch isn't comfortable with that (and he is well within his right not to be) than he should play out his deal and take his talents to the highest bidder in the offseason. That's how the system works and he has every right to take care of his financial future. I wouldn't fault him one bit for doing so either...once his current deal expires.
Agree with all of this.
 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games16 catches264 yards1 touchdownSuper Bowl XXXVIII MVPWayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):2 games13 catches256 yards2 touchdownsSo, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either. In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2. Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d:Good example that you should never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer...
:yawn: did you see HK's comeback? Read that and tell me who got "Owned" Branch >>>>>>>>>> Wayne in the post season
I guess you missed the part where Wayne has averaged slightly more catches, receiving yards, and TDs than Branch in their postseason careers. You have a strange definition of >>>>>>>>>>. :bye:
Now that is :goodposting: !
 
Branch is only a #1 WR because the Pats don't have a #1, and he is their best #2 caliber WR, making him a #1 by default. On how many NFL teams would Branch be the #1 WR? Seriously.As for your ridiculous Steve Smith statement, I hope you don't really believe that. If the Pats had Smith, he might not get as many targets as he does with Carolina but he'd get far more than Branch gets. BB is a smart coach.
Obviously you are too blinded by fantasy football rankings to realize that Branch is a legit #1 WR in the real world. And he could compete for the #1 WR role on over 75% of the teams in the league. And we can never know how Steve Smith would fare on the Pats, but I doubt BB would force feed him the same targets he gets in Carolina. If you look back at his history with the Browns, Jets with Parcells, and Pats, he has never operated that way. 2001 is the only time I can remember a WR (Troy Brown) getting over 100 receptions on a team coached by Belichick.
We can agree to disagree on Branch's real worth. We'll find out either by what the Pats sign him for if they do sign him, or via the free agent market next offseason. I think you're going to be surprised.And when did BB have a receiver as talented as Steve Smith?
I'll concede that BB never had a WR talent like Smith, although he was an assistant on teams with a young Keyshawn and Terry Glenn. He just seems to be more like Parcells in that regard. But Mushin Muhammed also isn't as talented as Steve Smith and he also put up some crazy numbers in that Carolina offense with radar lock Delhomme at the helm. I just hope the Pats and Branch are smart enough to reach a compromise. He's in store for a solid season if he reports on time.
 
i think you can sit out 10 games (?) and still get credited with a "year" of service towards free agency...

galloway did it, played his string out in holmgren's doghouse (reduced opps)

i think mccardell was going to do this but TB traded him to SD...

as to the player & team disagreeing about his value, this is not a big surprise...

the situation is very similar to westbrook & the eagles... he wanted the ball more, but they refused to give it to him (in fairness to PHI, it would have increased chance of injury as it is somewhat of an open question whether he can handle a feature RB type load)...

than when it came time to negotiate, they said you don't get enough carries to get paid like feature RB... :)

in the end, they settled on a compromise... westbrook may have taken less than he could have gotten elsewhere as he clearly is a great fit in eagles offense... & PHI may have ponied up more than they originally planned, maybe when they realized how important he is to the teams chances...

imo you have to separate out branch's abilities from how he is used in a system that restricts his opps due to how the ball is spread around so much...

is there anybody here that doesn't think branch would have cracked 1,000 yards several times already if he had played opposite torry holt instead of bruce in mad martz's offense his entire career? it is relative...
Well, that's not a realistic question. Sure, in the literal scenario you posed he would have done better, but he isn't a fit for WR2 in Martz's offense, so I don't think that is a feasible situation. I suppose Martz might have considered him in the WR3 role, but he doesn't have the speed Martz likes (for WR2 or WR3).
i don't know if bruce was ever a 4.4 guy, & he may have lost a half step... of course he compensates with quickness & by being one of the best route runners in the league.i have watched bruce every year he has played in the NFL dating back to los angeles, and i guaranteee you branch is as fast if not faster & if martz had branch & didn't have bruce, if he didn't line him up at WR2 it wouldn't be because he doesn't have the speed for the position.

as to the question of how many teams could he be a #1 for, going systematically through the divisions...

NE -

NYJ - debateable, i like him better than coles post turf toe

BUF - i'd take lee evans but branch is more accomplished & it wouldn't shock me if some personnel types liked branch better

JAX - matt jones has tons of upside but this year branch probably better, maybe next few years

TEN - not a big stretch to say branch better than bennett & givens

KC - i'd take him over kennison

SD - ditto with a 70 year old mccardell

PHI - i like brown but for now branch would be #1

MIN - lot of scouts would take branch over k-rob, especially given risk... i like williamson, but more for potential

CHI - moose signed a big contract & he is great blocker in run game but i think at this point branch would be the more dangerous receiving weapon

GB - branch pretty comparable to driver

ATL - he would instantly be #1

NO - horn may be on the way down & stallworth is erratic (i'll exclude this because horn used to be one of the best & i don't know he is done... here also, though, if those two hit free agent market, at horn's age, little doubt branch would get more play)...

TB - galloway had a renaissance year but not sure he is head & shoulders above branch... depending on which clayton shows up (2004 or 2005 version), galloway & branch could be 1A & 1B

SF - i'd take branch over bryant

even leaving out iffy ones, there are a few clubs branch could be the #1 on...

 
Wow, you guys are seriously underrating Branch's talent. Forget about comparing him to Reggie Wayne, he's actually closer to Harrison. I don't know if he's right or wrong for holding out while under contract, but the guy is a top tier NFL WR no matter what Sean Salsbury or any other idiot might tell you.

 
i think you can sit out 10 games (?) and still get credited with a "year" of service towards free agency...

galloway did it, played his string out in holmgren's doghouse (reduced opps)

i think mccardell was going to do this but TB traded him to SD...

as to the player & team disagreeing about his value, this is not a big surprise...

the situation is very similar to westbrook & the eagles... he wanted the ball more, but they refused to give it to him (in fairness to PHI, it would have increased chance of injury as it is somewhat of an open question whether he can handle a feature RB type load)...

than when it came time to negotiate, they said you don't get enough carries to get paid like feature RB... :)

in the end, they settled on a compromise... westbrook may have taken less than he could have gotten elsewhere as he clearly is a great fit in eagles offense... & PHI may have ponied up more than they originally planned, maybe when they realized how important he is to the teams chances...

imo you have to separate out branch's abilities from how he is used in a system that restricts his opps due to how the ball is spread around so much...

is there anybody here that doesn't think branch would have cracked 1,000 yards several times already if he had played opposite torry holt instead of bruce in mad martz's offense his entire career? it is relative...
Well, that's not a realistic question. Sure, in the literal scenario you posed he would have done better, but he isn't a fit for WR2 in Martz's offense, so I don't think that is a feasible situation. I suppose Martz might have considered him in the WR3 role, but he doesn't have the speed Martz likes (for WR2 or WR3).
i don't know if bruce was ever a 4.4 guy, & he may have lost a half step... of course he compensates with quickness & by being one of the best route runners in the league.i have watched bruce every year he has played in the NFL dating back to los angeles, and i guaranteee you branch is as fast if not faster & if martz had branch & didn't have bruce, if he didn't line him up at WR2 it wouldn't be because he doesn't have the speed for the position.

as to the question of how many teams could he be a #1 for, going systematically through the divisions...

NE -

NYJ - debateable, i like him better than coles post turf toe

BUF - i'd take lee evans but branch is more accomplished & it wouldn't shock me if some personnel types liked branch better

JAX - matt jones has tons of upside but this year branch probably better, maybe next few years

TEN - not a big stretch to say branch better than bennett & givens

KC - i'd take him over kennison

SD - ditto with a 70 year old mccardell

PHI - i like brown but for now branch would be #1

MIN - lot of scouts would take branch over k-rob, especially given risk... i like williamson, but more for potential

CHI - moose signed a big contract & he is great blocker in run game but i think at this point branch would be the more dangerous receiving weapon

GB - branch pretty comparable to driver

ATL - he would instantly be #1

NO - horn may be on the way down & stallworth is erratic (i'll exclude this because horn used to be one of the best & i don't know he is done... here also, though, if those two hit free agent market, at horn's age, little doubt branch would get more play)...

TB - galloway had a renaissance year but not sure he is head & shoulders above branch... depending on which clayton shows up (2004 or 2005 version), galloway & branch could be 1A & 1B

SF - i'd take branch over bryant

even leaving out iffy ones, there are a few clubs branch could be the #1 on...
NYJ - Personally, I like Cotchery better, but he's unproven. Plus, I'm biased on that one.BUF - Evans is better IMO

JAX - WR1 over Jones maybe this year due to Jones still learning the position, but not beyond.

TEN - He's basically the same as Givens. Not sure how anyone ranks him as significantly better (posted on this elsewhere earlier this offseason). And Bennett may be better than both, hard to tell given injuries and poor supporting cast around him... though he did have one season in 2004 that far surpassed anything Branch has done.

KC - Yeah, probably over Kennison, but not by much. But KC's WR1 is really Gonzalez, so this is a bit misleading.

SD - Yes, over McCardell, but SD's WR1 is really Gates, so this is a bit misleading.

PHI - Agree, Branch would be WR1.

MIN - Agree.

CHI - Agree.

GB - Comparable to Driver in what way? :no:

ATL - Maybe. I happen to think Roddy White is going to be a good WR1. Branch over him now due to inexperience, but possibly not for long.

NO - Agree.

TB - Yes over Galloway, but maybe not over Clayton.

OK, so there are a number of teams for which he might be WR1... but less than 10. So you got me on that one.

But just how many of those teams do you think will be willing to pony up the kind of money he wants after this season to get him? For example, would JAX, TEN, PHI, SD, MIN, GB? I'd say no. So you're down to just a few that *might* consider it.

 
Wayne has stayed healthy, catches more passes, gets more yards, has a higher career ypc avg, catches more long passes, more TD's, and more first downs.

Wayne simply has better stats in pretty much every damn category out there. But the most important one is that Wayne played FIVE years of his FIVE year contract. Until Branch matches that one, he should shut his hole and get out on the field.

I hope they fine his butt 14k a day. Holdouts piss me off.

 
Branch meanwhile only had 132 passes thrown his way. That's fewer targets per game than guys like Jerry Porter and Donte Stallworth. He put up very similar numbers to Reggie Wayne last year with about the same number of targets and wants a similar contract. I think he has a valid argument.
Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?
Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?
Branch in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):3 games

16 catches

264 yards

1 touchdown

Super Bowl XXXVIII MVP

Wayne in '05 postseason (following the '04 season):

2 games

13 catches

256 yards

2 touchdowns

So, one less game, only 3 less catches, 8 less yards and 1 MORE touchdown. Branch's MVP award gives him the edge, but Wayne has been no slouch in the postseason either.

In fact, in 7 postseason games, Wayne's stat line is 38-542-4.

In 8 postseason games, Branch's stat line is 41-629-2.

Quite comparable, I would say.
:own3d: Good example that you should never ask a question to which you do not already know the answer...
:yawn: did you see HK's comeback? Read that and tell me who got "Owned"

Branch >>>>>>>>>> Wayne in the post season
I guess you missed the part where Wayne has averaged slightly more catches, receiving yards, and TDs than Branch in their postseason careers. You have a strange definition of >>>>>>>>>>. :bye:
Now that is :goodposting: !
People,Please do the following:

1) Read

2) Comprehend

3) Respond

My initial question:

Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?

No, he hasn't, as is clearly evident in post #20 of this thread. Changing the argument to encompass both players' entire postseason careers still doesn't alter the fact.

 
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People,

Please do the following:

1) Read

2) Comprehend

3) Respond

My initial question:

Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?

No, he hasn't. Changing the argument to encompass both players' entire postseason careers still doesn't alter the fact.
What's the point of the question? Far as I can tell, there are 16 other games they have to play to get there again. Games he's under contract for. When he's a free agent like Wayne was, he'll have the chance to get his cash.
 
People,

Please do the following:

1) Read

2) Comprehend

3) Respond

My initial question:

Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?

No, he hasn't. Changing the argument to encompass both players' entire postseason careers still doesn't alter the fact.
What's the point of the question? Far as I can tell, there are 16 other games they have to play to get there again. Games he's under contract for. When he's a free agent like Wayne was, he'll have the chance to get his cash.
My question was a rhetorical one in response to this "Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?"Then the shiz-nit hit the fan....

Back on topic, Branch can hold out and get fined, but if he re-signs with the Pats, they'll waive the fines when he comes back. However, if he does not re-sign, he comes back mid-season, with the fines and plays out the year and goes FA. His signing bonus wll cover his fines and then some, and he'll be making much more money, so its worth it to him to sit out. IMO, the Patriots need him more than he needs them.

 
People,

Please do the following:

1) Read

2) Comprehend

3) Respond

My initial question:

Has Wayne ever had a post-season like Branch in '05?

No, he hasn't. Changing the argument to encompass both players' entire postseason careers still doesn't alter the fact.
What's the point of the question? Far as I can tell, there are 16 other games they have to play to get there again. Games he's under contract for. When he's a free agent like Wayne was, he'll have the chance to get his cash.
My question was a rhetorical one in response to this "Has Branch ever had a season like the one Wayne did in '04?"Then the shiz-nit hit the fan....

Back on topic, Branch can hold out and get fined, but if he re-signs with the Pats, they'll waive the fines when he comes back. However, if he does not re-sign, he comes back mid-season, with the fines and plays out the year and goes FA. His signing bonus wll cover his fines and then some, and he'll be making much more money, so its worth it to him to sit out. IMO, the Patriots need him more than he needs them.
I could not disagree with that last statement more. Branch is a key component for the Pats and his absence is a definite negative. No doubt, especially with how their WR unit is set up. Yet, I would not even put him in the list of top 10 most important Patriots (I have Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Vrabel, Colvin, Bruschi, Harrison, Brady, Light and Watson ahead of him). The reason being is in the Pats scheme WR is not as important as it is with other teams. That's why they can win a title with Brown/Patten and nothing else or win three titles with only one WR go over 1,000 yards. That's not a knock on Branch but it's how they play football under BB. Branch is a valuable player for the Pats but unless BB plans on implementing a new style of football you are overestimating his worth to the Pats.
 
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Back on topic, Branch can hold out and get fined, but if he re-signs with the Pats, they'll waive the fines when he comes back. However, if he does not re-sign, he comes back mid-season, with the fines and plays out the year and goes FA. His signing bonus wll cover his fines and then some, and he'll be making much more money, so its worth it to him to sit out. IMO, the Patriots need him more than he needs them.
According to all the Branch supporters around here, he'll be getting big money no later than next offseason. So the big money is a given, according to them. So I don't agree with the notion that the fines come out in the wash. Plus, he is not doing any favors for his reputation. Sure, it's a business, yada yada, but he would still be viewed more positively if he just made his feelings known but proceeded to play out his final year without the holdout if no extension was forthcoming.I honestly feel many of Branch's backers in this thread are overestimating his worth on the open market, and I believe that is a factor in his current stance. That is, I think he wants to force the issue now to get a big contract from the Pats rather than risk having to seek that contract on next offseason's open market.

Segue...

Who are some other examples of players who held out into the season, missed several games, then came back in time to get credit for the season? I know Galloway was one, missing the first 8 games in 1999. McCardell missed the first 6 games before he was traded to San Diego in 2004. Anyone else? Now, how did the strategy work for them? That is, did they get the big money contracts they were seeking? (I don't know the answer.)

 
I could not disagree with that last statement more. Branch is a key component for the Pats and his absence is a definite negative. No doubt, especially with how their WR unit is set up. Yet, I would not even put him in the list of top 10 most important Patriots (I have Seymour, Wilfork, Warren, Vrabel, Colvin, Bruschi, Harrison, Brady, Light and Watson ahead of him). The reason being is in the Pats scheme WR is not as important as it is with other teams. That's why they can win a title with Brown/Patten and nothing else or win three titles without having one WR go over 1,000 yards. That's not a knock on Branch but it's how they play football under BB. Branch is a valuable player for the Pats but unless BB plans on implementing a new style of football you are overestimating his worth to the Pats.
:goodposting: However, this is a new year, and in the past with Patten, Givens, Brown, B.Johnson, they had some depth....this season they are razor thin at WR.

 
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