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WR Chris Olave, NO (1 Viewer)

efactor said:
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Statorama said:
Thought about this post when Olave stopped on that one route up the right sideline tonight (where Carr rightly yells “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?”)
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The play in question:


I don't know if any WR in the league would have caught that pass.
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They would have to be 15 feet tall and possess Inspector Gadget like arms to catch that throw.
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Saints' radio color commentator Deuce McAllister doesn't believe Olave was the intended target of that particular play -- but he did say that Olave neverthless botched his assignment in another way:

deuce mcallister​
@dmcallister26​
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If I am correct in reading the play and look. The underneath route is where the Qb wants to go with the football. The window is messy. CO has to clear the area, hence the run comment. Ball was never going to him, threw it out of bounds out of frustration. But hey what do I know​
 
Wildcat said:
I have Olave in dynasty and I want him to be great, but lately, he hasn't been passing the eyeball test with me. He has been looking like a JAG. I'm hoping it's just the offense and a Carr issue, but I worry it is on him as well.
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You make a good point. He simply might not be as good as advertised. Olave is talented, but whether he’s elite is a big question mark.
 
Carr's arm hasn't been right since hurting the AC joint, and I suspect it's not improving and may even be worsening from continuing to play through the injury. I've been a big fan of Carr the human over his career, but am starting to get some serious fraud vibes from the dude. He literally said he wouldn't play if it hurts the team when he sprained the joint. And then has started week after week since, while throwing the ball like complete ****. He says a lot of likable stuff into the mike each week, but then comes across as a complete douche to his teammates on field. I could easily see this type of stuff rubbing guys like Olave way wrong, especially given Carr is new to this team and they have a guy they like and respect sitting pine behind him. This situation seems likely to get worse before it gets better.
 
Doug B said:
efactor said:
Bozeman Bruiser said:
Statorama said:
Thought about this post when Olave stopped on that one route up the right sideline tonight (where Carr rightly yells “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?”)
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The play in question:


I don't know if any WR in the league would have caught that pass.
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They would have to be 15 feet tall and possess Inspector Gadget like arms to catch that throw.
Click to expand...

Saints' radio color commentator Deuce McAllister doesn't believe Olave was the intended target of that particular play -- but he did say that Olave neverthless botched his assignment in another way:

deuce mcallister​
@dmcallister26​
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If I am correct in reading the play and look. The underneath route is where the Qb wants to go with the football. The window is messy. CO has to clear the area, hence the run comment. Ball was never going to him, threw it out of bounds out of frustration. But hey what do I know​
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That actually would make a lot of sense.
 
Not even an 8 foot receiver could catch some of those duds Carr throws. Olave has the look of someone who is beyond frustrated with a QB who is bad. Throwing behind an open WR maybe once or twice, but Carr does it often. Maybe a misfire deep to an open WR once in awhile, but Carr does it often.

He's regressed and needs to sit in my opinion. Nothing consistent on offense besides Kamara.
 
crushedspirit said:
Not even an 8 foot receiver could catch some of those duds Carr throws. Olave has the look of someone who is beyond frustrated with a QB who is bad. Throwing behind an open WR maybe once or twice, but Carr does it often. Maybe a misfire deep to an open WR once in awhile, but Carr does it often.

He's regressed and needs to sit in my opinion. Nothing consistent on offense besides Kamara.
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Yep. Almost zero throws to the WRs where they catch the ball in stride so they can get some YAC
 
Saints’ fans would have a better feel for this, but I wonder if Winston could unlock Shaheed. He’s the key to their offense, IMO. Speed Shaheed might be the fastest player in the league & isn’t just a one-trick pony.
 
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massraider said:
Football Jones said:
Not sure what the issue is with him (laziness, attitude, etc.), but ignoring it isn’t working.
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Maybe Olave looked at the roster and salary cap.


Saints 2024 Salary Cap

85 mill over cap (estimated) next year.

Carr has 54 mill in dead cap---next year. Brutal.
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This shouldn't be taken lightly. Took a quick look at the roster and cutting all of the following players this coming offseason with post-June 1 designations - meaning huge dead cap figures pushed into 2025 - would only free up $50 MM of the $85 needed.

Kamara
Jameis
Taysom
Marcus Maye
Honey Badger

And cutting Carr post June 1 wouldn't free up a dime of cap in 2023, so that's not an option at all.

At some point it had to have gotten around the Saints building that this is a one year and then dismantle situation by signing Carr to such a huge contract. And as he struggles, I suspect the ticking cap time bomb is getting louder and louder as players start to resent and blame him for the coming inevitable roster explosion. Combine that toxic dynamic with dude blaming teammates when he's throwing ducks out there and I'd be looking to sell Saints asap right now, even dare I suggest Kamara if you can get top dollar.
 
crushedspirit said:
There were 2 passes by Carr where he threw behind Olave on crossing patterns that would have been chunk plays if he just leads him. I've seen enough in games to realize Carr as the biggest issue.
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Yeah the first one was especially egregious

Throw it with anticipation & leading him instead of late & behind he’ll have a massive chunk, maybe score

Two fade routes that looked like they were thrown by a college freshman not a 10 year vet. Flat as a pancake, easy PBU.
 
The division appears to be a 10-7 type division, so all these teams should be in it. The D is good enough to help win them some games. If they can figure out the communication part the offense still has upside. I question if Olave has that toe injury and going through the motions, he does get open fairly easily on those 6-8 yard toe-tap outs. I took him 2.12/3.1 turn in redraft with Waddle and not getting results. 12.7 last night wasn't a total stinker but it was when you know he had 15 targets.

Part of me thinks this team wants Jameis to start a game just to see for whatever reason Carr isn't fitting in the culture down there and Winston probably should have started the one game Carr was hurt.
 
Ilov80s said:
Judge Smails said:
Ilov80s said:
One of the few call maybe I got sort of right..though I was taking Devonta Smith over Olave as much as I was taking ETN
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What was your call?
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That Olave was being overdrafted. Not that he’s bad or anything but he was creeping into late 2nd/early 3rd territory and I thought he was more of a late 3rd/early 4th player. Small difference I know but a meaningful one in drafts.
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Maybe. I drafted both Olave and Waddle. So far more disappointed in Waddle. With NO I’m disappointed in Carr and the o line. Olave is getting the targets to be elite but a lot of terrible throws. They aren’t using him correctly. I think he could finish commensurate with his draft slot. Not a lot of receivers in that tier are doing well. K Allen is. But not Higgins, Garrett Wilson, Ridley, D Smith. All just OK. At least Olave is getting big targets
 
I think it is both things right now. Carr is playing like absolute garbage and something is off with Olave. I'm not as concerned with the latter part long term as we know good WRs can often be knuckle-heads.
 
Football Jones said:
Shaheed has essentially been as productive as Olave in non-PPR on half the targets. You don’t get points in the NFL for receptions.

Some of the targets going to Olave need to go to Shaheed (non-negotiable).
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Shaheed is good. Any body with eyeballs should see that.

With 55 passes, there should be enough to go around. Carr is garbage though, so there isn't.
 
Desert_Power said:
Football Jones said:
Shaheed has essentially been as productive as Olave in non-PPR on half the targets. You don’t get points in the NFL for receptions.

Some of the targets going to Olave need to go to Shaheed (non-negotiable).
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Shaheed is good. Any body with eyeballs should see that.

With 55 passes, there should be enough to go around. Carr is garbage though, so there isn't.
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Funny how quickly people are missing Andy Dalton. Lets face it, Dalton was the original Derek Carr.
 
crushedspirit said:
Not even an 8 foot receiver could catch some of those duds Carr throws. Olave has the look of someone who is beyond frustrated with a QB who is bad. Throwing behind an open WR maybe once or twice, but Carr does it often. Maybe a misfire deep to an open WR once in awhile, but Carr does it often.

He's regressed and needs to sit in my opinion. Nothing consistent on offense besides Kamara.
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I agree Olave is not the issue. But bring Winston in and he’s still saddled with a defensive minded HC with an 18-40 record.
 
Dizzy said:
On that pass to Olave, it looks like maybe Carr saw him check-up and then just threw it away (deep). Olave was definitely startled to see the ball coming his way. That's odd.
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I think you're right, the likelihood that Carr sees that Olave has broken off his route before he throws, is high. Your point or that which we might consider is if Olave continues his route would we have seen a better placed ball? The thing with that though is that they were deep in their own end, behind on the score & a 3rd & 5 play. Beyond any doubt is that the DB to that side had just one function, do not get beaten over the top down the sideline. Meaning, Olave continuing a go into coverage would've been highly contested.

Your observation lends to the notion that Carr was in a position to consider his other options. Time to come off his primary & chuck it over the head of everyone suggests time to throw underneath to convert the 1st down. His TE, to the same side of the field was open & should've been his priority anyway.
 
I just saw a replay in the 2nd Q when Olave was uncovered streaking down the middle for an easy walk in TD and Carr didn't fire. Olave had not one hand waving, but both flapping. It was an ugly watch.
 
Desert_Power said:
Faust said:
Rod Walker
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Dennis Allen says Chris Olave didn't run the route the way it was supposed to be run on the deep ball. Carr ended up throwing the ball away.
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This is pretty ridiculous. The Saints have a big issue at coach and QB. Olave may also be a problem at WR, but those first two are crippling.
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Orlovsky video breakdown. I definitely recommend watching this before anyone condemns Olave on this play.

Whenever Olave ''stopped running", Carr was already well into throwing the ball a million miles out of bounds. Carr should have gone to the flat.
 
FWIW, Olave owned up publicly to not running full-speed on that play:

Nick Underhill​

@nick_underhill​

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Olave said after the game he'd take the blame on that play, and no question he should be running that all out, but that pass was never supposed to go to him and he's not even in the progression.​

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Michael Thomas​

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exactly his job is only to collision o/s shoulder of defender he is never the throw not even a alert. Only advice I would give him is to take the ball and know taysom runs fast so he has to run even faster to clear it out. But the progression is 7, 22, 13 eyes only went to 7​
 
massraider said:
Whenever Olave ''stopped running", Carr was already well into throwing the ball a million miles out of bounds. Carr should have gone to the flat.
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Love this full view video, thanks for sharing! Dan Orlovsky: "Y-branch, it is a designated go-route. .. usually nine out of ten times the go route isn't an option & we're working the Y on an out route." Here we see how open the TE is on this play. Coverage is coming downhill, no doubt, but once the TE clears the OLB, Carr needs to only flatten that thing on a rope. Instead, he's convinced of what's there to examine downfield. Not something you would see at this level...

We also gain context in how overthrown this ball is. What we see in the previous vid that we don't get here is the iso of Olave & the DB. In that one you can see he's off the accelerator before he gets to the 25yd line. We see in this one, the ball is thrown at about that point. It's not a matter of a split-second determination. Dizzy's contention isn't refuted here, the ball isn't only grossly overthrown, it's way the hell out of bounds. Not Olave breaking off, okay, then what is the explanation?
 
eighsse2 said:
ShamrockPride said:
Doug B said:
Nick Underhill
@nick_underhill


Chris Olave was arrested for reckless operation of a motor vehicle tonight. He was traveling 35 mph over the posted speed limit. He did not resist and was cooperative with law enforcement.

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70 in a 35. 35 is typically like a neighborhood. Yikes.
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Does it say somewhere it was in a 35? Or just 35 over?
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35 over per fantasy life
 
Well. This was tough to read waking up to coffee. Hopefully in the end it's just a speeding ticket and not the tip of the iceberg in Antonio Brown journey. Pay your ticket and get on the field buddy.
 
Looked into it a little more on the Saints message boards. This was posted by his brother I guess. Appears to be a real tweet. Take it for what it's worth. If true then should be good. Problem is these things sometimes spin weird ways as more info comes out. Hopefully it's just want it appears. Dude did a late night store run and drove really really fast.


Josh Olave
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Bro was on the way back to the crib from CVS... aint nun serious
 
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eighsse2 said:
ShamrockPride said:
Doug B said:
Nick Underhill
@nick_underhill


Chris Olave was arrested for reckless operation of a motor vehicle tonight. He was traveling 35 mph over the posted speed limit. He did not resist and was cooperative with law enforcement.

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70 in a 35. 35 is typically like a neighborhood. Yikes.
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Does it say somewhere it was in a 35? Or just 35 over?
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Both
 
Right -- he won't be in any hot water with the league.

As a fan of the team, I am concerned with where Olave's head is at. There's a couple of guys on the Saints, Olave and some others, that need to take a breath and reset. There's still 10 games to go and the team is one game out of the division lead. Not time to mentally let up and go buck wild.
 
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