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WR Diontae Johnson, CLE (2 Viewers)

So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?
Correct. You get an A.
 
LAC did claim him before he was awarded to Houston. Would they have used him? Couldn't be worse than Balt and Houston did.

A little bit of diva there, guy wanting to play and be involved isn't necessarily a bad thing. Right way to go about it? Probably not.
If he doesn't go full AB this offseason, I am sure a team will sign him.
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
Just to say again when he got traded to the Ravens, Shefter reported that he had to sign for $5m APY for the Ravens to net a 6th.

I don't think he's getting $5M APY.

If that $5M is still the threshold this is all likely an exercise in futility for the Ravens but if cost them absolutely nothing then why not? It's how I'd want the people who operate my team to behave. Do every single little thing you can to try and carve out the smallest advantage, even if like this attempt, likely won't work.

For sure some teams just don't work the comp pick system enough and it's lazy IMO. I read an article a few days ago about how much the Chargers GM, Horitz, who came from Baltimore, tries really hard to manipulate the comp pick system. That was part of the reason, as well as trying to fill out the roster, he signed so many vets to cheap one year deals. Idea is they play well, get paid by someone else,you got a good deal on a player for a year and a comp pick. It's good business, he was trained well.
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
Just to say again when he got traded to the Ravens, Shefter reported that he had to sign for $5m APY for the Ravens to net a 6th.

I don't think he's getting $5M APY.

If that $5M is still the threshold this is all likely an exercise in futility for the Ravens but if cost them absolutely nothing then why not? It's how I'd want the people who operate my team to behave. Do every single little thing you can to try and carve out the smallest advantage, even if like this attempt, likely won't work.

For sure some teams just don't work the comp pick system enough and it's lazy IMO. I read an article a few days ago about how much the Chargers GM, Horitz, who came from Baltimore, tries really hard to manipulate the comp pick system. That was part of the reason, as well as trying to fill out the roster, he signed so many vets to cheap one year deals. Idea is they play well, get paid by someone else,you got a good deal on a player for a year and a comp pick. It's good business, he was trained well.
I dont know.... last year Chark made 5 M with Carolina and he had already been jettisoned from a couple of teams at that time.

This year only 3 mil as a clear cut backup.

but a starting WR who is not on a rookie contract generally gets more than 5 M per year. Likely closer to 10 M. I acknowledge a discount is in order due to his ..... (issues) but I dont know that that discount amounts to a 5 M per year discount

Robert Woods and Hollywood Brown make around 7 M per year. I think he is more talented, but obviously seems to either have problems with authority or hes just a jerk. either way, I think 5-7 mil is likely the range. he provides more upside than Woods and Brown. it sounds like hes an egomaniac and will want lots of money, so If hes getting less than 10M per year any deal he signs is likely a 1 year deal. He wants to play a year, put up big numbers and get paid. Team is worried about how he fits into their dressing room and likely does not want to commit a lot of money over the long term to a potential problem child.

I'd guess he signs in the 7 M range, but if there is a low guaranteed amount in the contract, the dollar value of that contract could be higher. so maybe 10M but only 1 M of that is guaranteed. this way if he misbehaves the team can dump him with little cost in terms of how it affects the salary cap. if the dude wants more guarnateed money, the salary likely is lower.
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
Just to say again when he got traded to the Ravens, Shefter reported that he had to sign for $5m APY for the Ravens to net a 6th.

I don't think he's getting $5M APY.

If that $5M is still the threshold this is all likely an exercise in futility for the Ravens but if cost them absolutely nothing then why not? It's how I'd want the people who operate my team to behave. Do every single little thing you can to try and carve out the smallest advantage, even if like this attempt, likely won't work.

For sure some teams just don't work the comp pick system enough and it's lazy IMO. I read an article a few days ago about how much the Chargers GM, Horitz, who came from Baltimore, tries really hard to manipulate the comp pick system. That was part of the reason, as well as trying to fill out the roster, he signed so many vets to cheap one year deals. Idea is they play well, get paid by someone else,you got a good deal on a player for a year and a comp pick. It's good business, he was trained well.
I dont know.... last year Chark made 5 M with Carolina and he had already been jettisoned from a couple of teams at that time.

This year only 3 mil as a clear cut backup.

but a starting WR who is not on a rookie contract generally gets more than 5 M per year. Likely closer to 10 M. I acknowledge a discount is in order due to his ..... (issues) but I dont know that that discount amounts to a 5 M per year discount

Robert Woods and Hollywood Brown make around 7 M per year. I think he is more talented, but obviously seems to either have problems with authority or hes just a jerk. either way, I think 5-7 mil is likely the range. he provides more upside than Woods and Brown. it sounds like hes an egomaniac and will want lots of money, so If hes getting less than 10M per year any deal he signs is likely a 1 year deal. He wants to play a year, put up big numbers and get paid. Team is worried about how he fits into their dressing room and likely does not want to commit a lot of money over the long term to a potential problem child.

I'd guess he signs in the 7 M range, but if there is a low guaranteed amount in the contract, the dollar value of that contract could be higher. so maybe 10M but only 1 M of that is guaranteed. this way if he misbehaves the team can dump him with little cost in terms of how it affects the salary cap. if the dude wants more guarnateed money, the salary likely is lower.
We'll see but his track record is not comparable to anyone. His situation is not comparable to any of those names you listed IMO. He's a whole different kind of dude. I don't think it's going to be close to the numbers you are floating or particularly close to $5M.

To me we've already been shown what teams think of his value. Carolina ate his salary to the point any acquiring team only owed him $625K for half a season($69.44K per game) and he still they struggled to generate any interest for him. All Baltimore had to give was a 5th and they got back a 6th with a chance to get a 6th comp pick back. That's really close to free, perhaps even them coming ahead if they got the comp pick. I won't even get into how little interest teams had him when Baltimore cut him as it was later in the season but if no one other then Baltimore wanted him for basically $69k a game with no significant guarantees, and he then proceeded to tank his value further, I can't rationalize how some team would now view him as worth $294k per game and have to include meaningful guarantees. I won't say no chance, seems like a super longshot. I think he's more likely to have the door shut on him and be one of those street FA's waiting for a desperate team to offer him anything in-season then he'll get that kind of money.
 
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.
I am going to push back a bit on his talent. He's clearly very talented, he's an NFL WR for goodness sake, but is he anything more that a possession receiver?

I don't see WR1 when I look at his game, let alone the Alpha that he seems to view himself as. I see a complementary player who probably wasn't the best WR in Carolina.

He needs 150 targets to, maybe, produce 1,000 yards.

He's Chris Godwin without the suddenness or speed. He's Keyshawn Johnson without the size or charisma (and Key was a super diva in his own right). And Key may have been faster too.

Considering how his perception of himself does not appear to reflect reality and he's apparently a "me first" diva, I would hope teams offer him mid tier WR2 money at best.
 
He's Chris Godwin without the suddenness or speed

He could still get open a year ago, regardless of his actual timed speed or quicks. Thats never been his issue. His calling card has always been "instant separation." Its his one trick, but he's been fairly adept at it. Cant speak to '24, since I wasnt seeing him every week any more.

Regardless, IMO his biggest on-field problem is he has really, reeeally unreliable hands. And his drops seemed to usually be killers, situationally.

Off-field he clearly has attitude issues which appear to have multiplied. Some team will still prolly throw him more cash than they should though, at least as long as he proves he can still get open quickly.
 
He's Chris Godwin without the suddenness or speed

He could still get open a year ago, regardless of his actual timed speed or quicks. Thats never been his issue. His calling card has always been "instant separation." Its his one trick, but he's been fairly adept at it. Cant speak to '24, since I wasnt seeing him every week any more.

Regardless, IMO his biggest on-field problem is he has really, reeeally unreliable hands. And his drops seemed to usually be killers, situationally.

Off-field he clearly has attitude issues which appear to have multiplied. Some team will still prolly throw him more cash than they should though, at least as long as he proves he can still get open quickly.
So, not very big, not very fast, bad hands but he can get separation for, maybe, 0.5 seconds within five yards of the LoS.

I stand by my belief that he's a complementary WR2 and not a WR1 at this level.
 
He's Chris Godwin without the suddenness or speed

He could still get open a year ago, regardless of his actual timed speed or quicks. Thats never been his issue. His calling card has always been "instant separation." Its his one trick, but he's been fairly adept at it. Cant speak to '24, since I wasnt seeing him every week any more.

Regardless, IMO his biggest on-field problem is he has really, reeeally unreliable hands. And his drops seemed to usually be killers, situationally.

Off-field he clearly has attitude issues which appear to have multiplied. Some team will still prolly throw him more cash than they should though, at least as long as he proves he can still get open quickly.
So, not very big, not very fast, bad hands but he can get separation for, maybe, 0.5 seconds within five yards of the LoS.

I stand by my belief that he's a complementary WR2 and not a WR1 at this level.
You dont have to convince me. Im not going to be signing him. 🤓
 
He's Chris Godwin without the suddenness or speed

He could still get open a year ago, regardless of his actual timed speed or quicks. Thats never been his issue. His calling card has always been "instant separation." Its his one trick, but he's been fairly adept at it. Cant speak to '24, since I wasnt seeing him every week any more.

Regardless, IMO his biggest on-field problem is he has really, reeeally unreliable hands. And his drops seemed to usually be killers, situationally.

Off-field he clearly has attitude issues which appear to have multiplied. Some team will still prolly throw him more cash than they should though, at least as long as he proves he can still get open quickly.
So, not very big, not very fast, bad hands but he can get separation for, maybe, 0.5 seconds within five yards of the LoS.

I stand by my belief that he's a complementary WR2 and not a WR1 at this level.
Johnson can get open but cannot catch. He is the polar opposite of Pickens.
 
Chase Claypool

That this guy is no longer an NFL receiver just tells you how much his behavior behind-the-scenes screams “Crazy! Don’t touch!” to the league brass.

You’ve really got to have your head screwed on straight (or maybe be wired differently than 99.9999% of the general population) to make it in this league. It doesn’t wait for a soul, it seems.
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
Just to say again when he got traded to the Ravens, Shefter reported that he had to sign for $5m APY for the Ravens to net a 6th.

I don't think he's getting $5M APY.

If that $5M is still the threshold this is all likely an exercise in futility for the Ravens but if cost them absolutely nothing then why not? It's how I'd want the people who operate my team to behave. Do every single little thing you can to try and carve out the smallest advantage, even if like this attempt, likely won't work.

For sure some teams just don't work the comp pick system enough and it's lazy IMO. I read an article a few days ago about how much the Chargers GM, Horitz, who came from Baltimore, tries really hard to manipulate the comp pick system. That was part of the reason, as well as trying to fill out the roster, he signed so many vets to cheap one year deals. Idea is they play well, get paid by someone else,you got a good deal on a player for a year and a comp pick. It's good business, he was trained well.
I dont know.... last year Chark made 5 M with Carolina and he had already been jettisoned from a couple of teams at that time.

This year only 3 mil as a clear cut backup.

but a starting WR who is not on a rookie contract generally gets more than 5 M per year. Likely closer to 10 M. I acknowledge a discount is in order due to his ..... (issues) but I dont know that that discount amounts to a 5 M per year discount

Robert Woods and Hollywood Brown make around 7 M per year. I think he is more talented, but obviously seems to either have problems with authority or hes just a jerk. either way, I think 5-7 mil is likely the range. he provides more upside than Woods and Brown. it sounds like hes an egomaniac and will want lots of money, so If hes getting less than 10M per year any deal he signs is likely a 1 year deal. He wants to play a year, put up big numbers and get paid. Team is worried about how he fits into their dressing room and likely does not want to commit a lot of money over the long term to a potential problem child.

I'd guess he signs in the 7 M range, but if there is a low guaranteed amount in the contract, the dollar value of that contract could be higher. so maybe 10M but only 1 M of that is guaranteed. this way if he misbehaves the team can dump him with little cost in terms of how it affects the salary cap. if the dude wants more guarnateed money, the salary likely is lower.
We'll see but his track record is not comparable to anyone. His situation is not comparable to any of those names you listed IMO. He's a whole different kind of dude. I don't think it's going to be close to the numbers you are floating or particularly close to $5M.

To me we've already been shown what teams think of his value. Carolina ate his salary to the point any acquiring team only owed him $625K for half a season($69.44K per game) and he still they struggled to generate any interest for him. All Baltimore had to give was a 5th and they got back a 6th with a chance to get a 6th comp pick back. That's really close to free, perhaps even them coming ahead if they got the comp pick. I won't even get into how little interest teams had him when Baltimore cut him as it was later in the season but if no one other then Baltimore wanted him for basically $69k a game with no significant guarantees, and he then proceeded to tank his value further, I can't rationalize how some team would now view him as worth $294k per game and have to include meaningful guarantees. I won't say no chance, seems like a super longshot. I think he's more likely to have the door shut on him and be one of those street FA's waiting for a desperate team to offer him anything in-season then he'll get that kind of money.
I am not saying I think hes worth that much. Lets be clear. but all it takes is one team to think they can turn this troubled kid around.

all I know is hes more talented than people in the 7 M range. if he actually wasnt a headcase hed be getting 10 m for sure. 5 M is easy to justify based on the upside alone.
even up to 10M if the guaranteed portion was small. (meaning if the team doesnt like his behaviour they can let him walk at minimal cost) as a team signing him I'd rather offer 10M with almost none of it guaranteed than 5 mil fully guaranteed. and I suspect that is the direction this ends up going. Then if he doesnt pan out hes out the door quickly with the team not being out much money at all. I figure the only money I'd guarantee if I were signing him would be that signing bonus (whatever that happens to be.... maybe a mil)
 
So the dude gets shown the door by multiple teams during the season, and then one of them brings him back (with zero intention of paying him or playing him) just to try and get a draft pick if someone else signs him who didn't the last couple of times he was available?

I dont think he gets signed before week 2 - if at all.
someone will sign him. I just dont think he gets the money a guy of his talent would normally get due to the...... (we will say issues) that he has had.

I'm not sure anyone will open the bank vault to give him cash, but on the off chance that he does, Baltimore will stand to benefit from this. I will tip my hat to them on this. and it keeps any of their opponents from signing him and using him against them as well. From a strategic perspective, this is a pretty smart move even if all they get is a 5th or 6th round pick. if someone is dumb enough to throw a lot of money at the guy, he will be worth a whole lot more. It shouldnt happen, but I have seen far dumber things done in the past. Especially on teams where the owner is the one calling the shots moreso than the GM.
Just to say again when he got traded to the Ravens, Shefter reported that he had to sign for $5m APY for the Ravens to net a 6th.

I don't think he's getting $5M APY.

If that $5M is still the threshold this is all likely an exercise in futility for the Ravens but if cost them absolutely nothing then why not? It's how I'd want the people who operate my team to behave. Do every single little thing you can to try and carve out the smallest advantage, even if like this attempt, likely won't work.

For sure some teams just don't work the comp pick system enough and it's lazy IMO. I read an article a few days ago about how much the Chargers GM, Horitz, who came from Baltimore, tries really hard to manipulate the comp pick system. That was part of the reason, as well as trying to fill out the roster, he signed so many vets to cheap one year deals. Idea is they play well, get paid by someone else,you got a good deal on a player for a year and a comp pick. It's good business, he was trained well.
I dont know.... last year Chark made 5 M with Carolina and he had already been jettisoned from a couple of teams at that time.

This year only 3 mil as a clear cut backup.

but a starting WR who is not on a rookie contract generally gets more than 5 M per year. Likely closer to 10 M. I acknowledge a discount is in order due to his ..... (issues) but I dont know that that discount amounts to a 5 M per year discount

Robert Woods and Hollywood Brown make around 7 M per year. I think he is more talented, but obviously seems to either have problems with authority or hes just a jerk. either way, I think 5-7 mil is likely the range. he provides more upside than Woods and Brown. it sounds like hes an egomaniac and will want lots of money, so If hes getting less than 10M per year any deal he signs is likely a 1 year deal. He wants to play a year, put up big numbers and get paid. Team is worried about how he fits into their dressing room and likely does not want to commit a lot of money over the long term to a potential problem child.

I'd guess he signs in the 7 M range, but if there is a low guaranteed amount in the contract, the dollar value of that contract could be higher. so maybe 10M but only 1 M of that is guaranteed. this way if he misbehaves the team can dump him with little cost in terms of how it affects the salary cap. if the dude wants more guarnateed money, the salary likely is lower.
We'll see but his track record is not comparable to anyone. His situation is not comparable to any of those names you listed IMO. He's a whole different kind of dude. I don't think it's going to be close to the numbers you are floating or particularly close to $5M.

To me we've already been shown what teams think of his value. Carolina ate his salary to the point any acquiring team only owed him $625K for half a season($69.44K per game) and he still they struggled to generate any interest for him. All Baltimore had to give was a 5th and they got back a 6th with a chance to get a 6th comp pick back. That's really close to free, perhaps even them coming ahead if they got the comp pick. I won't even get into how little interest teams had him when Baltimore cut him as it was later in the season but if no one other then Baltimore wanted him for basically $69k a game with no significant guarantees, and he then proceeded to tank his value further, I can't rationalize how some team would now view him as worth $294k per game and have to include meaningful guarantees. I won't say no chance, seems like a super longshot. I think he's more likely to have the door shut on him and be one of those street FA's waiting for a desperate team to offer him anything in-season then he'll get that kind of money.
I am not saying I think hes worth that much. Lets be clear. but all it takes is one team to think they can turn this troubled kid around.

all I know is hes more talented than people in the 7 M range. if he actually wasnt a headcase hed be getting 10 m for sure
. 5 M is easy to justify based on the upside alone.
even up to 10M if the guaranteed portion was small. (meaning if the team doesnt like his behaviour they can let him walk at minimal cost) as a team signing him I'd rather offer 10M with almost none of it guaranteed than 5 mil fully guaranteed. and I suspect that is the direction this ends up going. Then if he doesnt pan out hes out the door quickly with the team not being out much money at all. I figure the only money I'd guarantee if I were signing him would be that signing bonus (whatever that happens to be.... maybe a mil)
On the first bolded part that's the point I'm trying to make. I have no reason to think he can find that one team because we've seen the lack of interest when he's been made available.

On the second bolded, yes for sure, but he is a headcase and as big of one as we might have seen in a long long time.

On the last bolded I do not think he will get so much as $1m guaranteed. No one trusts him enough to guaranteed him much of anything.

Like I said last night we'll see but I've been spot on with everything I've been saying about this guy since he got traded to the Ravens, even saying at that time I thought he might be cut before the end of the season. I think I got my finger right on the pulse regarding Diontae and what the league thinks of him and how toxic he is. I have him on 3/8th fo my dynasty teams, not rooting against him. But those 3 teams have to do roster cutdown by end of March, and my guess is he won't be signed on a team several weeks after FA has started and I'll be cutting him on all the teams.

I'll say again, and let's review this for posterity sake but my prediction is he won't clear $3M, he won't get $1m guaranteed and I think a very strong chance he's unemployed when the season starts and he's just waiting around for an injury.
 
If he's got his act together, there is nothing stopping him from being the #2 WR, though on a team that likely wants to be as run heavy as possible.
 
If he's got his act together, there is nothing stopping him from being the #2 WR, though on a team that likely wants to be as run heavy as possible.

The "If" in that post is doing a lot of heavy lifting. Diontae Johnson was on my list of roster cuts for incoming rookies. While him not being a Free Agent maybe moves the needle... his "post-Steelers Redemption Tour" isn't going as planned.

I'd trade this guy if you can squeeze any value out of him. If he returns to form, he's got a stable of mediocre arms, duking it out for starting QB... player bad, situation worse.
 

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