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Yudkins Rankings (1 Viewer)
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NorrisB
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Yudkins rankings are very famous on these boards
I'm a big fan of his rankings. He's by far my favorite staffer.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
I'm holding out for LHUCKS rankings, myself.
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FreeBaGeL
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Ah, looking to use the opposite theory on those?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Haven't finished putting them together yet but will post when they are ready. Good to see almost 1,000 people bothered to check out this thread, though . . .
Look forward to it to David :X
twitch
Footballguy
David, Im very much looking forward to your ranking of Maroney this year. His prospects are about as interesting to me as any player this season. I just cant recall a player in recent memory who, barring of course an unforseen injury, could either go for 2000 total yds and 20 TDs or 800 and 5. Based solely on how he's used in his supposed 'pass happy' O. I wish you luck in your assessment of him, hope youre able to eliminate any team bias toward him, as well as any bias you may have regarding your expectation of him last season. He didnt quite live up to it in '07. Personally, I think this year he's "getting it done" in a big way.
NorrisB
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Wish he would join pasquino and bloom in dynastyBri said:Look forward to it to David
switz
Footballguy
Me too - then at least there would be one set of decent rankings for dynastyWish he would join pasquino and bloom in dynastyBri said:Look forward to it to David
switz
Footballguy
The only problem with Maroney, is he simply can't be counted on every week. Even if he has all the goods in the world, the PAts philosophy changes so much game to game that Maroney will not get enough attempts every game to make him a true #1 FF RB.That's no team bias, nor any dislike of Maroney. Just the truth.twitch said:
Buckeyedawgs
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I liked what I saw playoffs from Maroney. It gives me hope he can at least provide RB2 value which I have to pay for him in my hybird league. Also he is healthy going into this year unlike last year. Several things though that stand out makeing me have second thoughts of keeping him as a RB2. 1. Moss was non productive playoffs while Maroney was productive. 2. Morris will be back. 3.NE constant game to game plan always changes. 4. I might be better off with a solid productive WR then Maroney with 23rd pick. (I already have TJ with 37th pick keeper though)
I have noticed he is dropping in the mocks and ADP. Was a solid RB-2. Now going at borderline late 2 or early 3 value. I just don't know if I can trust him as a every week starter yet? To keep him or not with my 23rd pick is tuffest decision I have this year.
I am still undecided.
I will let David make that call for me. lol
I have noticed he is dropping in the mocks and ADP. Was a solid RB-2. Now going at borderline late 2 or early 3 value. I just don't know if I can trust him as a every week starter yet? To keep him or not with my 23rd pick is tuffest decision I have this year.
I am still undecided.
I will let David make that call for me. lol
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I suppose it depends how each individual person projects the Pats. Are they the team that averaged 41.1 points per game their first 10 games . . . or the one that scored a full 2 TD less at 27.1 ppg over their last 9 games. I may be inclined to guess somewhere in the middle (but perhaps closer to 30 than 40 ppg). I probably will have Maroney ranked around 20th (but that's just a guess) . . . maybe as high as 15th. I see the offense scoring less, Morris getting a fair share of work, and still some potent passing numbers. Maroney went for 820 total yards and 8 total TD over his final 8 games (regular and post season). Roughly 680 rushing yards on 140 carries for a 4.8 ypc. I don't think he'll average that many yards per game or a TD per game, so I would temper my projections from that in terms of total yards and total TDs.I still think the Pats view Maroney as a 15-17 carry back with limited utility in the passing game in terms of receiving totals. IMO, Morris was outplaying Maroney early in the season (albeit with LM healing up from injury). So I see a repeat of the Maroney = 15-18 carries and Morris = 10 carries per game.That's all off the cuff, but that's what I'm seeing at this early stage.twitch said:
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switz
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And my point is that no matter how anyone projects him to perform, no one will know when to start him or not because of the way the Pats play their game.
twitch
Footballguy
I like it. Here's a quick question, and a fairly worthwhile thought regarding LM. What was one thing that NE really didnt do much of that would improve that O and make it perhaps more potent if not more balanced? Throw to Maroney. 4 catches last year? are you kidding me? but for 116 yds and a 29yd average. More screens, more circles, flat swings, more all of the above. Its the one aspect of this O that teams will really not have any film of. And I personally think they'll be almost forced to mix it in this season. Particularly considering how Maroney came thru for them down the stretch as teams started figuring out their passing game and the cold weather factored in. I could live with a conservative ranking like 20. Because I think he'll end up performing much, much higher. Unlike after the '06 season, splitting time with Dillon and recovering from the shoulder operation, LM has more or less proven over the last 2 months of the season what he can do when given the ball. And now he's healthy in the offseason strength and conditioning program actually doing work. Gut feeling is easily top 10. But keep him in that 20 range if you would.
switz
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The reason they didn't use Maroney much in the passing game is because they had 2 RBs who were better at it. I don't see that changing much this year.Twitch, your an obvious homer, which is cool. But I think you are highly overrating Maroney's role on the team. Last season NE became a pass first, pass often team. I don't really see that changing. With that in mind, Maroney really just won't have enough opportunity to be top-10. Yudkin is correct, #20 is about right for him.I like it. Here's a quick question, and a fairly worthwhile thought regarding LM. What was one thing that NE really didnt do much of that would improve that O and make it perhaps more potent if not more balanced? Throw to Maroney. 4 catches last year? are you kidding me? but for 116 yds and a 29yd average. More screens, more circles, flat swings, more all of the above. Its the one aspect of this O that teams will really not have any film of. And I personally think they'll be almost forced to mix it in this season. Particularly considering how Maroney came thru for them down the stretch as teams started figuring out their passing game and the cold weather factored in. I could live with a conservative ranking like 20. Because I think he'll end up performing much, much higher. Unlike after the '06 season, splitting time with Dillon and recovering from the shoulder operation, LM has more or less proven over the last 2 months of the season what he can do when given the ball. And now he's healthy in the offseason strength and conditioning program actually doing work. Gut feeling is easily top 10. But keep him in that 20 range if you would.
twitch
Footballguy
I dont want to say youre talking out of your hind end. So, I'll give you an opportunity to come up with that 2nd RB who was a better receiving back on NE's roster other than Faulk. Who ya got? You gonna give me Sammy Morris and his whopping 6 catches for roughly 30ish yds? Or one of their 2 FBs? Evans or Eckel? If that's really the reason, straighten me out about a team that I probably know better than all but a handful of members on this site. Im obviously a homer, so you get full credit for that one. But we dont know what kindof opportunity the man's going to get this year. Not me. Not you. That's kindof the beauty of his prospects for the upcoming season. Some think he'll do great things. Others dont. For the record, I wasnt seeing a big season last year coming off a full offseason of nothingness and his arm in a sling with little proven performance. Alot has changed. But if you think NE is going to remain stagnant and not make any changes to what theyll be throwing at teams this year, then youre just not in full command of your sources on that particular club.The reason they didn't use Maroney much in the passing game is because they had 2 RBs who were better at it. I don't see that changing much this year.Twitch, your an obvious homer, which is cool. But I think you are highly overrating Maroney's role on the team. Last season NE became a pass first, pass often team. I don't really see that changing. With that in mind, Maroney really just won't have enough opportunity to be top-10. Yudkin is correct, #20 is about right for him.I like it. Here's a quick question, and a fairly worthwhile thought regarding LM. What was one thing that NE really didnt do much of that would improve that O and make it perhaps more potent if not more balanced? Throw to Maroney. 4 catches last year? are you kidding me? but for 116 yds and a 29yd average. More screens, more circles, flat swings, more all of the above. Its the one aspect of this O that teams will really not have any film of. And I personally think they'll be almost forced to mix it in this season. Particularly considering how Maroney came thru for them down the stretch as teams started figuring out their passing game and the cold weather factored in. I could live with a conservative ranking like 20. Because I think he'll end up performing much, much higher. Unlike after the '06 season, splitting time with Dillon and recovering from the shoulder operation, LM has more or less proven over the last 2 months of the season what he can do when given the ball. And now he's healthy in the offseason strength and conditioning program actually doing work. Gut feeling is easily top 10. But keep him in that 20 range if you would.
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I agree with your comments on the ever changing nature of the PATS offensive game plan each week.I also like to add this question: With the exception of Randy Moss, when was the last time that a PATS RB or WR was statistically relevant when it comes to FF??? I can't think of any unless Dillon had better numbers than I remember. This is all part of the PATS diabolical plan to spread the ball around to a handful of WR's, TE's and TE's which amazingly keeps all of their individual offensive numbers from looking very shiny or worthy of the contract of a superstar. I wish my KC Chiefs were that smart but noooooo, we have to run a guy 500 times the season before his contract runs out and then pay him a billion dollars instead of trading him for draft picks that we need cause we suck as a team and tried to run and test a new QB behind the worst OL in the league,,,,,,sorry, got carried away.switz said:
switz
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Regardless of Morris' receiving stats last year, he s a abetter receiver out of the backfield, and was used as a 3rd down back in BUF and MIA. That's knowing players, not teams.I'm sure you are very well informed on NE, and I don't claim to have any sources on them. But, they retained Moss, and they are going to use him. Their built to pass. That's what won them games last season, and to think they'll change dramatically, really doesn't make sense. Do I think they'll run more? Yes. In fact going into the playoffs last season, I repeatedly said that their weakness was that they are pass happy. And so I expect them to run more this year, but not enough to put Maroney into the top-10.I dont want to say youre talking out of your hind end. So, I'll give you an opportunity to come up with that 2nd RB who was a better receiving back on NE's roster other than Faulk. Who ya got? You gonna give me Sammy Morris and his whopping 6 catches for roughly 30ish yds? Or one of their 2 FBs? Evans or Eckel? If that's really the reason, straighten me out about a team that I probably know better than all but a handful of members on this site. Im obviously a homer, so you get full credit for that one. But we dont know what kindof opportunity the man's going to get this year. Not me. Not you. That's kindof the beauty of his prospects for the upcoming season. Some think he'll do great things. Others dont. For the record, I wasnt seeing a big season last year coming off a full offseason of nothingness and his arm in a sling with little proven performance. Alot has changed. But if you think NE is going to remain stagnant and not make any changes to what theyll be throwing at teams this year, then youre just not in full command of your sources on that particular club.The reason they didn't use Maroney much in the passing game is because they had 2 RBs who were better at it. I don't see that changing much this year.Twitch, your an obvious homer, which is cool. But I think you are highly overrating Maroney's role on the team. Last season NE became a pass first, pass often team. I don't really see that changing. With that in mind, Maroney really just won't have enough opportunity to be top-10. Yudkin is correct, #20 is about right for him.I like it. Here's a quick question, and a fairly worthwhile thought regarding LM. What was one thing that NE really didnt do much of that would improve that O and make it perhaps more potent if not more balanced? Throw to Maroney. 4 catches last year? are you kidding me? but for 116 yds and a 29yd average. More screens, more circles, flat swings, more all of the above. Its the one aspect of this O that teams will really not have any film of. And I personally think they'll be almost forced to mix it in this season. Particularly considering how Maroney came thru for them down the stretch as teams started figuring out their passing game and the cold weather factored in. I could live with a conservative ranking like 20. Because I think he'll end up performing much, much higher. Unlike after the '06 season, splitting time with Dillon and recovering from the shoulder operation, LM has more or less proven over the last 2 months of the season what he can do when given the ball. And now he's healthy in the offseason strength and conditioning program actually doing work. Gut feeling is easily top 10. But keep him in that 20 range if you would.
redman
Footballguy
I only checked because I thought I was in the FFA and figured we'd see some links to hot chicks.
twitch
Footballguy
In short, and with all due respect to the respective teams, Buffalo and Miami aint New England. And Morris is basically a 31 year old grinder at this point, God bless him coming off a major sternum fracture. To say at this point that he's a better receiving back then Maroney just isnt flying in these neck of the woods. As far as them being pass happy last year, well uh, Im a little too old to say, "DUH" at this point, but there, I said it. But down the stretch and in the playoffs, that obviously changed. He had some fairly solid games against SD and Jax in the playoffs. But Im not suggesting theyre about to make wholesale changes to their O. But mixing Maroney into the passing game on less than obvious passing downs is as Id said, one of the few subtle changes they can make to alleviate some of the pressure that Welker is likely to see in the slot. He'll surely see more doubles and probably get a little bracket coverage once in a while. Not a ton, but some. But I dont want to get carried away trying to persuade anyone he'll be top 10. People might actually start believing it. So you keep him penciled in that 20something area. And take Addai nice and early, where he's sure to fall.Regardless of Morris' receiving stats last year, he s a abetter receiver out of the backfield, and was used as a 3rd down back in BUF and MIA. That's knowing players, not teams.I'm sure you are very well informed on NE, and I don't claim to have any sources on them. But, they retained Moss, and they are going to use him. Their built to pass. That's what won them games last season, and to think they'll change dramatically, really doesn't make sense. Do I think they'll run more? Yes. In fact going into the playoffs last season, I repeatedly said that their weakness was that they are pass happy. And so I expect them to run more this year, but not enough to put Maroney into the top-10.I dont want to say youre talking out of your hind end. So, I'll give you an opportunity to come up with that 2nd RB who was a better receiving back on NE's roster other than Faulk. Who ya got? You gonna give me Sammy Morris and his whopping 6 catches for roughly 30ish yds? Or one of their 2 FBs? Evans or Eckel? If that's really the reason, straighten me out about a team that I probably know better than all but a handful of members on this site. Im obviously a homer, so you get full credit for that one. But we dont know what kindof opportunity the man's going to get this year. Not me. Not you. That's kindof the beauty of his prospects for the upcoming season. Some think he'll do great things. Others dont. For the record, I wasnt seeing a big season last year coming off a full offseason of nothingness and his arm in a sling with little proven performance. Alot has changed. But if you think NE is going to remain stagnant and not make any changes to what theyll be throwing at teams this year, then youre just not in full command of your sources on that particular club.The reason they didn't use Maroney much in the passing game is because they had 2 RBs who were better at it. I don't see that changing much this year.Twitch, your an obvious homer, which is cool. But I think you are highly overrating Maroney's role on the team. Last season NE became a pass first, pass often team. I don't really see that changing. With that in mind, Maroney really just won't have enough opportunity to be top-10. Yudkin is correct, #20 is about right for him.I like it. Here's a quick question, and a fairly worthwhile thought regarding LM. What was one thing that NE really didnt do much of that would improve that O and make it perhaps more potent if not more balanced? Throw to Maroney. 4 catches last year? are you kidding me? but for 116 yds and a 29yd average. More screens, more circles, flat swings, more all of the above. Its the one aspect of this O that teams will really not have any film of. And I personally think they'll be almost forced to mix it in this season. Particularly considering how Maroney came thru for them down the stretch as teams started figuring out their passing game and the cold weather factored in. I could live with a conservative ranking like 20. Because I think he'll end up performing much, much higher. Unlike after the '06 season, splitting time with Dillon and recovering from the shoulder operation, LM has more or less proven over the last 2 months of the season what he can do when given the ball. And now he's healthy in the offseason strength and conditioning program actually doing work. Gut feeling is easily top 10. But keep him in that 20 range if you would.
enfuego
Footballguy
Switz & Twitch.......Any chance you guys related?
switz
Footballguy
Nah, twitch is just a huge NE homer, and is a little bit blinded by it. So he gets upset when his pets aren't all viewed as demigods by everyone else. hehe.Switz & Twitch.......Any chance you guys related?
gianmarco
Footballguy
switz
Footballguy
Nah, twitch is just a huge NE homer, and is a little bit blinded by it. So he gets upset when his pets aren't all viewed as demigods by everyone else. hehe.Switz & Twitch.......Any chance you guys related?
I'm not an NE hater at all. I would kill to have Moss or Brady on my team. I tried to trade for Moss prior to last season.Though I do enjoy razzing NE fans
gianmarco
Footballguy
I was referring to the bolded section above.Nah, twitch is just a huge NE homer, and is a little bit blinded by it. So he gets upset when his pets aren't all viewed as demigods by everyone else. hehe.Switz & Twitch.......Any chance you guys related?
switz
Footballguy
LOL, yeah, I guess I am a little overbearing when I like a player ... just a tad bit ... maybeI was referring to the bolded section above.Nah, twitch is just a huge NE homer, and is a little bit blinded by it. So he gets upset when his pets aren't all viewed as demigods by everyone else. hehe.Switz & Twitch.......Any chance you guys related?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Not posted yet.
any time soon?
LionsFan78
Footballguy
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
His qb rankings are out but unless I'm blind we're still waiting on the other positions. Alex Smith and Kurt Warner - WOW!!!
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I mentioned the Warner ranking in another thread a week or so ago. When I saw where he had Kurt Warner ranked I started skimming the RB's to see how high he had Freeman McNeil and James Wilder ranked.
vamphyri
Footballguy
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
yeah, where are these? 
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
He lurks about, playing devils advocate and knocking Maroney more than ever.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Warner was at one point outperforming Brady...and that wasn't because Brady was sucking.
supermark_28
Footballguy
Can someone point me to his QB rankings?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/v...mp;howrecent=20Just view the QB's and not all the positions...then change the days back to 20+. He last updated it July 18th.Can someone point me to his QB rankings?
Enjoy.
supermark_28
Footballguy
Jackpot! Thanks,Bob..AnonymousBob said:http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/v...mp;howrecent=20Just view the QB's and not all the positions...then change the days back to 20+. He last updated it July 18th.supermark_28 said:Can someone point me to his QB rankings?vamphyri said:AnonymousBob said:
Enjoy.
He's good!
