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Zigging where others Zag: My Take on the Fantasy Landscape (PPR) (1 Viewer)

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My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt.

Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.

In the leagues I play in we start 2 rb and 2 wr with one flex. I am looking to grab the players who give me the highest probability to fill those slots with the most points possible. You have to start a qb and te every week, so it would be wise to have one that isn't going to frequently give you a disadvantage. You only have to start 2 rb's, which is all I plan on starting unless one of my mid-late rounder’s emerges. If I have a couple rb's projected 25-35 (who all typically come at a very good value), I should be able to find one I can start and not lose too much production. This strategy is mostly based around ppr leagues btw (only format I really understand values in).

Lets address a few things that some people may disagree with that I feel will give you an advantage:

A tight end like Jimmy Graham in the late first or early 2nd round of a ppr is a very, very viable play. Jimmy Graham is the #1 target in a top 3 passing offense, and is also an absolute proven beast of a performer. He plays a position that you typically can only start one of and HAVE TO START every week. If I can lock in a statistical edge that (barring injury) I am almost sure to see every week, why would I not? People ask "who are the next graham and gronk this year?". The answer, more than likely, is that they don’t exist. These two are not only top 5 talents, but more importantly play in offenses and have qb's that set them up for success. Sure some te's like Rudolph, Cook, Gresham, etc. could all pleasantly surprise this year, but they simply aren't in as good of situations. I will say that while I am confident gronk will perform, I am not sure I would pay for him based on where he is going right now. So if I can't get Graham I am targeting Gates or Hernandez, who are also in very good situations to succeed this year. The way I look at Graham is this: Should I draft Demarco Murray, who has started all of 6 or so games in his NFL career and been injured consistently dating back to college over him? Be my guest if you want to.

How about not grabbing a qb at the end of the first round and deciding to draft someone like Chris Johnson (who was terrible last year and looks mediocre again this pre season)? Rodgers, Brady, and Brees are likely to throw 1k yards more than the rest of the qb's (can maybe throw Stafford in there too). They will also likely throw 10 more td's than qb's you will get later. 1k yards=50 points in most leagues and 10 td's= 40 points. That’s a 90 point difference between those guys and someone you would grab in rounds 7-10. Not only is that a lot of points, you also have a better chance to actually take advantage of those points because a qb is again much less likely to get hurt than a rb you would draft at the end of round 1. And on top of all this they are also much more likely to perform consistently (and thus give you an advantage) every single week. Outside of Rice, Foster, Mccoy, and Mcfadden (if he is able to stay healthy), I don’t think the other options at rb are going to give you that. That is to say I would not at all be surprised if a rb someone takes in rounds 6-8 out performs a rb taken in rounds 2-3 any given week.

So if I am waiting so long to draft a rb2 what kinds of players am I targeting? I am looking to add 2-3 of Peyton Hillis, Stevan Ridley, Jonathan Stewart, Deangelo Williams, Ryan Williams, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, David Wilson, Pierre Thomas, Jacquizz Rodger, Kendall Hunter. and Dexter Mccluster. If you can grab 2-3 of these players I am confident you get enough production out of that second rb slot that, coupled with the advantages you should enjoy at other positions, will give a statistical edge over your opponents from week to week. After all, fantasy football really just comes down to putting a line up on the field that gives you the best chance to score the most points. And in a passing league I want the people throwing and catching the passes.

To give an example of how I would execute this strategey in a very realistic setting ($125 12 team ppr league on rt sports) I will post a line up I was able to establish out of the two spot:

QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)

RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)

WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)

TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)

Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)

Bench: Pierre Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dexter Mccluster, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore.

This team was rated 99% playoff chance on football guys for whats its worth (obviously I don't put too much stock into that but will take it haha).

 
Bench is really solid.

Green in the 2nd round is terrible, IMO. Is he going to get 1,000 yards and 7 TDs without too much problem? For sure. But there's no upside beyond that with defenses focusing him and that crappy offensive line. Dalton is also nothing exceptional. Taking Green over a guy like even Nelson is ridiculous to me. Nelson is way more talented than other people think (see the KC game? He beat Joe Haden 1:1 twice in three plays), and we already know his upside (last year). I expect Nelson's floor to be around Green's average given their situations and talent.

Gates is ridiculous in the 4th. I can't imagine the kind of players that you passed on while taking this guy. If my child took him over Hernandez I would punch him in the face for his stupidity. That injury doesn't go away. Pre-season speak means nothing. And that entire offense is going to be garbage this year. There's not one solid-get-open WR on the team and they officially have no decent RB until week 3. The offensive line is also nothing to write home about.

Other than that it's OK.

 
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My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don't feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt. Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.In the leagues I play in we start 2 rb and 2 wr with one flex. I am looking to grab the players who give me the highest probability to fill those slots with the most points possible. You have to start a qb and te every week, so it would be wise to have one that isn't going to frequently give you a disadvantage. You only have to start 2 rb's, which is all I plan on starting unless one of my mid-late rounder's emerges. If I have a couple rb's projected 25-35 (who all typically come at a very good value), I should be able to find one I can start and not lose too much production. This strategy is mostly based around ppr leagues btw (only format I really understand values in).Lets address a few things that some people may disagree with that I feel will give you an advantage:A tight end like Jimmy Graham in the late first or early 2nd round of a ppr is a very, very viable play. Jimmy Graham is the #1 target in a top 3 passing offense, and is also an absolute proven beast of a performer. He plays a position that you typically can only start one of and HAVE TO START every week. If I can lock in a statistical edge that (barring injury) I am almost sure to see every week, why would I not? People ask "who are the next graham and gronk this year?". The answer, more than likely, is that they don't exist. These two are not only top 5 talents, but more importantly play in offenses and have qb's that set them up for success. Sure some te's like Rudolph, Cook, Gresham, etc. could all pleasantly surprise this year, but they simply aren't in as good of situations. I will say that while I am confident gronk will perform, I am not sure I would pay for him based on where he is going right now. So if I can't get Graham I am targeting Gates or Hernandez, who are also in very good situations to succeed this year. The way I look at Graham is this: Should I draft Demarco Murray, who has started all of 6 or so games in his NFL career and been injured consistently dating back to college over him? Be my guest if you want to. How about not grabbing a qb at the end of the first round and deciding to draft someone like Chris Johnson (who was terrible last year and looks mediocre again this pre season)? Rodgers, Brady, and Brees are likely to throw 1k yards more than the rest of the qb's (can maybe throw Stafford in there too). They will also likely throw 10 more td's than qb's you will get later. 1k yards=50 points in most leagues and 10 td's= 40 points. That's a 90 point difference between those guys and someone you would grab in rounds 7-10. Not only is that a lot of points, you also have a better chance to actually take advantage of those points because a qb is again much less likely to get hurt than a rb you would draft at the end of round 1. And on top of all this they are also much more likely to perform consistently (and thus give you an advantage) every single week. Outside of Rice, Foster, Mccoy, and Mcfadden (if he is able to stay healthy), I don't think the other options at rb are going to give you that. That is to say I would not at all be surprised if a rb someone takes in rounds 6-8 out performs a rb taken in rounds 2-3 any given week. So if I am waiting so long to draft a rb2 what kinds of players am I targeting? I am looking to add 2-3 of Peyton Hillis, Stevan Ridley, Jonathan Stewart, Deangelo Williams, Ryan Williams, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, David Wilson, Pierre Thomas, Jacquizz Rodger, Kendall Hunter. and Dexter Mccluster. If you can grab 2-3 of these players I am confident you get enough production out of that second rb slot that, coupled with the advantages you should enjoy at other positions, will give a statistical edge over your opponents from week to week. After all, fantasy football really just comes down to putting a line up on the field that gives you the best chance to score the most points. And in a passing league I want the people throwing and catching the passes.To give an example of how I would execute this strategey in a very realistic setting ($125 12 team ppr league on rt sports) I will post a line up I was able to establish out of the two spot:QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)Bench: Pierre Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dexter Mccluster, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore.This team was rated 99% playoff chance on football guys for whats its worth (obviously I don't put too much stock into that but will take it haha).
You have a lot riding on Hillis. You passed on some quality starting RBs to get Green and Marshall. Can Hillis make up for that? Will Marshall and Green differentiate themselves enough from the WRs going two rounds later? I love Gates in the 4th and Wayne in the 6th.
 
I agree that essentially the tried and true do the opposite of the majority is still viable. But given the team in your op I think you reached somewhere you shouldnt have, even with rice your RB corp is absolutely awful.

 
It looks like you tried to get too cute and ended up with a lousy RB2 and flex play. I would have taken Marshall as my #1 and used my 2nd round pick on a RB2 like SJax. Wayne is undervalued by I don't like WR in my flex, especially one that isn't top notch.

 
Clearly most people are missing the point of the thread which is not so much about how that particular team ended up (although as I said it is a 99% on rate my team..) but more so just to illustrate the strategy I am taking. In a 12 team league pretty much every team is going to have a hole and I am simply opting to make mine RB2 (which I pretty much just view as a flex). If others disagree, good, go ahead and land 2 "stud" RB's and see how it works out. Clearly all of the options are very viable if executed well.

 
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QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)
I don't disagree with your argument, but I'd rather take Peterson in the second round instead of Green to end up with a starting lineup like this:QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Adrian Peterson (2)WR: Brandon Marshall (3), Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Peyton Hillis (7)As a Viking fan, I have a bias toward Peterson, though, as I think he should be very valuable during the fantasy playoffs, even if he starts slowly.In any case, I'd want a more solid RB corps, especially when you can start 3 of them.
 
One thing to keep in mind guys is that I am not posting this thread with the intent of looking for opinions on the team I drafted. The team is more just used as an an example of what kind of team you might end up with if you did this strategy, so if you don't like Green or anyone else feel free to fill them in with someone you like better. The purpose of this strategy is to consider RB2 your least valuable position (I just look at it as my flex), and focus on filling the rest of the roster with players you feel really good about scoring more points than who your opponents will be starting in those same sports. I must say though Meyerj31, if you don't think Gates is worth a look at the end of round 4 in a 12 teamer looks like we are gonna have to agree to disagree. He is the #1 target in a passing game that is still lead by a very high quality qb. He figures to not only get the most looks between the 20's but certainly in the red zone as well. Given that all reports on his health have been very positive (can't actually say the same about Hernandez, and he too missed time last season), I am taking Gates over him by a small margin.
No, it isn't any particular beef with Green. Even if you sub Green for Nicks or Jennings of whatever WR you might consider there, It is just that the team isn't very good because the WRs aren't really much better than the WRs being taking 15-20 picks later and the RB2 situation is all riding on Hillis. There is no reason to look at RB2 as your least important spot, no more reason that any other position. I wouldn't get too cute and would mostly just take the best player available.
 
Not a bad strategy, as I've used similar in my early drafts with top picks. My question is what about when you are drafting late? I'm picking 12th in my next draft. Do you just ignore RB in the first 2 rounds because there aren't any there to "hang your hat on"?

 
Yes, it's easier to pick a top TE, QB, or WR and be confident you will get pretty close to what you paid for compared to RBs. It's not insane to go with top, proven players at the other positions. However, this season the WR position is pretty deep so I see your team above succumbing to the others who took RBs early and hit on them. They will be able to fill out their WRs with the deep pool this year and their team will be better for it - especially in PPR which increases the amount of viable WRs you can start/roster. I see your strategy not as a winning one but more of a conservative approach IMO. You won't be in last place and may make the playoffs but I don't see you challenging for the scoring title or getting the #1 seed.

 
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Not a bad strategy, as I've used similar in my early drafts with top picks. My question is what about when you are drafting late? I'm picking 12th in my next draft. Do you just ignore RB in the first 2 rounds because there aren't any there to "hang your hat on"?
If you can Grab say Brady and Graham I would be all for it, then I would target a back like Fred Jackson or Doug Martin in the 3rd round. If Mcfadden is there I am in the camp that is rolling the dice on him, because I believe he is the only RB outside the top 3 with a realistic chance to finish #1 at the position. Othen than that I see Forte as very viable because he has a good track record with injuries, catches passes, and is a clear foundation player in a good offense. Another note I will make, I view Hillis as a fine RB2, provided you have secured a number of other impact players on your team. I truly believe that on any given week Hillis has a fairly good chance to out score someone like say his own teammate Jamaal Charles. Hillis OC is back from his glory days in Clevland and by all accounts he looks very motivated (and should be the dude is on a 1 year contract that I'm not even sure is worth a mil). I expect him to see 40+% of the work on a run first team and also catch another 30-40 passes. He is also the primary goal line back. I vew him as a guy who even with out a td will get you say 8-10 points in a week in a ppr, and with a td could get close to 20 any given week.
 
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My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt.



Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.
OK, let me see if I have this straight. Grab a RB early, don't reach on a player but instead take a proven stud and then any number of strategies are viable. I think I got it now, thanks.
 
I appreciate the post and I agree with the strategy, but I'm wondering if maybe this isn't "zigging" anymore.

I don't recall a year where "wait on RB" was such a universal strategy. It wasn't that long ago that drafting a QB in the 1st round would get you laughed. Now, there are up to 5 QBs that you can draft in the 1st and not get laughed at (and I guess Ryan is on his way to #6).

On top of that, grabbing a TE in round 1 won't get you laughed at anymore.

A 12 teamer 1st round that only included 4 RBs getting picked? Why that would've meant you were in a so-called guppy draft for sure.

This year, it seems that many are in agreement that, with so much uncertainty after the elite RBs and WR (singular), that it makes sense to wait on that RB2 or to even start building a WR corps.

 
I'm failing to see how this is anything more than a rehashed version of "upside down" drafting and/or a "rate my team" thread.

 
My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt. Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.In the leagues I play in we start 2 rb and 2 wr with one flex. I am looking to grab the players who give me the highest probability to fill those slots with the most points possible. You have to start a qb and te every week, so it would be wise to have one that isn't going to frequently give you a disadvantage. You only have to start 2 rb's, which is all I plan on starting unless one of my mid-late rounder’s emerges. If I have a couple rb's projected 25-35 (who all typically come at a very good value), I should be able to find one I can start and not lose too much production. This strategy is mostly based around ppr leagues btw (only format I really understand values in).Lets address a few things that some people may disagree with that I feel will give you an advantage:A tight end like Jimmy Graham in the late first or early 2nd round of a ppr is a very, very viable play. Jimmy Graham is the #1 target in a top 3 passing offense, and is also an absolute proven beast of a performer. He plays a position that you typically can only start one of and HAVE TO START every week. If I can lock in a statistical edge that (barring injury) I am almost sure to see every week, why would I not? People ask "who are the next graham and gronk this year?". The answer, more than likely, is that they don’t exist. These two are not only top 5 talents, but more importantly play in offenses and have qb's that set them up for success. Sure some te's like Rudolph, Cook, Gresham, etc. could all pleasantly surprise this year, but they simply aren't in as good of situations. I will say that while I am confident gronk will perform, I am not sure I would pay for him based on where he is going right now. So if I can't get Graham I am targeting Gates or Hernandez, who are also in very good situations to succeed this year. The way I look at Graham is this: Should I draft Demarco Murray, who has started all of 6 or so games in his NFL career and been injured consistently dating back to college over him? Be my guest if you want to. How about not grabbing a qb at the end of the first round and deciding to draft someone like Chris Johnson (who was terrible last year and looks mediocre again this pre season)? Rodgers, Brady, and Brees are likely to throw 1k yards more than the rest of the qb's (can maybe throw Stafford in there too). They will also likely throw 10 more td's than qb's you will get later. 1k yards=50 points in most leagues and 10 td's= 40 points. That’s a 90 point difference between those guys and someone you would grab in rounds 7-10. Not only is that a lot of points, you also have a better chance to actually take advantage of those points because a qb is again much less likely to get hurt than a rb you would draft at the end of round 1. And on top of all this they are also much more likely to perform consistently (and thus give you an advantage) every single week. Outside of Rice, Foster, Mccoy, and Mcfadden (if he is able to stay healthy), I don’t think the other options at rb are going to give you that. That is to say I would not at all be surprised if a rb someone takes in rounds 6-8 out performs a rb taken in rounds 2-3 any given week. So if I am waiting so long to draft a rb2 what kinds of players am I targeting? I am looking to add 2-3 of Peyton Hillis, Stevan Ridley, Jonathan Stewart, Deangelo Williams, Ryan Williams, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, David Wilson, Pierre Thomas, Jacquizz Rodger, Kendall Hunter. and Dexter Mccluster. If you can grab 2-3 of these players I am confident you get enough production out of that second rb slot that, coupled with the advantages you should enjoy at other positions, will give a statistical edge over your opponents from week to week. After all, fantasy football really just comes down to putting a line up on the field that gives you the best chance to score the most points. And in a passing league I want the people throwing and catching the passes.To give an example of how I would execute this strategey in a very realistic setting ($125 12 team ppr league on rt sports) I will post a line up I was able to establish out of the two spot:QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)Bench: Pierre Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dexter Mccluster, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore.This team was rated 99% playoff chance on football guys for whats its worth (obviously I don't put too much stock into that but will take it haha).
:goodposting: shhhhh. This Stud RB Theory (especially in ppr) was outdated even before 10QB's were challenging Marino's record.
 
i have the 1.02 and will likely do something like this, but instead of getting caught up with who you take where, maybe we can talk about the theory of waiting for a RB2. My logic is that I want some kind of certainty with my first couple of picks and not sure who i love at RB in the 2.11 and 3.02 range, and would prefer to grab a couple of stud WRs or maybe one Stafford/Newton if they fall (and Gronk and Graham won't make it that far)

i think we can all agree that it is impossible to have stud filled line up in redraft unless you are in a 10 Teamer or drafting with Guppies.

So which position is the easiest to find a replacement level player in a later round?

TE? You can get a warm body here (14 players averaged 10/game or more).

RB2? Eventhough there were 32 players that average 10/game or more, it becomes more difficult to find a "startable" RB2 from this pool

WR3? 44 WRs broke the 10/game barrier, and 57 broke 9/game.

Nothing groundbreaking about the fact that RBs will dry up faster than any other position. But then the topic turns with how do you like constructing your roster. I think RB/RB/RB would be fun to try, but I honestly don't have the stomach for that. The theory is to dominate the one position that is the scarcest (i am trying this to a lesser extent in a couple league with Stud TE's that i can flex, but i digest), but you lose a little bit of flexibility when drafting in the later rounds since you "can't" take any more RBs for a while.

My personal preference is to "tank" the RB2 and try to find RBs that catch a couple passes a week (which kind of act like dividend paying stocks). I like players like Spiller, P Thomas, and Stewart. In the past, it was the Goal Line Vultures, but there aren't as many of those anymore. Maybe there will be a RB i like at 4.11 or 5.02 and will gladly pick him there since i know the scarcity of the position... but it is not the end of the world if i wait until 6.11 to pick my RB2 since i will have a stud at RB1 that could score 40% higher than RB5-14.

YMMV

 
I'm failing to see how this is anything more than a rehashed version of "upside down" drafting and/or a "rate my team" thread.
The difference is that one is upside down. The other is zig when you zag. I have ny own theory i call against the grain.
 
I've given up on the FBG "Rate my Team". I like the concept and appreciate the work they do to automate some feedback on your team. However it is generally insulting unless you are rating a 10 team draft. It is impossible to not have a weakness in a 12 team league.

For example, I've been mocking a few drafts and I'm told that my WRs are weak (when they have been guys like AJ Green and Greg Jennings). Or need improvement at RB when your RBs are Matt Forte and Ryan Mathews. Even tell you to improve your QB situation when you drafted Matt Ryan or Mike Vick (with upside backups).

At least they give you four different variations of the speaking the obvious :football:

 
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My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt. Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.In the leagues I play in we start 2 rb and 2 wr with one flex. I am looking to grab the players who give me the highest probability to fill those slots with the most points possible. You have to start a qb and te every week, so it would be wise to have one that isn't going to frequently give you a disadvantage. You only have to start 2 rb's, which is all I plan on starting unless one of my mid-late rounder’s emerges. If I have a couple rb's projected 25-35 (who all typically come at a very good value), I should be able to find one I can start and not lose too much production. This strategy is mostly based around ppr leagues btw (only format I really understand values in).Lets address a few things that some people may disagree with that I feel will give you an advantage:A tight end like Jimmy Graham in the late first or early 2nd round of a ppr is a very, very viable play. Jimmy Graham is the #1 target in a top 3 passing offense, and is also an absolute proven beast of a performer. He plays a position that you typically can only start one of and HAVE TO START every week. If I can lock in a statistical edge that (barring injury) I am almost sure to see every week, why would I not? People ask "who are the next graham and gronk this year?". The answer, more than likely, is that they don’t exist. These two are not only top 5 talents, but more importantly play in offenses and have qb's that set them up for success. Sure some te's like Rudolph, Cook, Gresham, etc. could all pleasantly surprise this year, but they simply aren't in as good of situations. I will say that while I am confident gronk will perform, I am not sure I would pay for him based on where he is going right now. So if I can't get Graham I am targeting Gates or Hernandez, who are also in very good situations to succeed this year. The way I look at Graham is this: Should I draft Demarco Murray, who has started all of 6 or so games in his NFL career and been injured consistently dating back to college over him? Be my guest if you want to. How about not grabbing a qb at the end of the first round and deciding to draft someone like Chris Johnson (who was terrible last year and looks mediocre again this pre season)? Rodgers, Brady, and Brees are likely to throw 1k yards more than the rest of the qb's (can maybe throw Stafford in there too). They will also likely throw 10 more td's than qb's you will get later. 1k yards=50 points in most leagues and 10 td's= 40 points. That’s a 90 point difference between those guys and someone you would grab in rounds 7-10. Not only is that a lot of points, you also have a better chance to actually take advantage of those points because a qb is again much less likely to get hurt than a rb you would draft at the end of round 1. And on top of all this they are also much more likely to perform consistently (and thus give you an advantage) every single week. Outside of Rice, Foster, Mccoy, and Mcfadden (if he is able to stay healthy), I don’t think the other options at rb are going to give you that. That is to say I would not at all be surprised if a rb someone takes in rounds 6-8 out performs a rb taken in rounds 2-3 any given week. So if I am waiting so long to draft a rb2 what kinds of players am I targeting? I am looking to add 2-3 of Peyton Hillis, Stevan Ridley, Jonathan Stewart, Deangelo Williams, Ryan Williams, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, David Wilson, Pierre Thomas, Jacquizz Rodger, Kendall Hunter. and Dexter Mccluster. If you can grab 2-3 of these players I am confident you get enough production out of that second rb slot that, coupled with the advantages you should enjoy at other positions, will give a statistical edge over your opponents from week to week. After all, fantasy football really just comes down to putting a line up on the field that gives you the best chance to score the most points. And in a passing league I want the people throwing and catching the passes.To give an example of how I would execute this strategey in a very realistic setting ($125 12 team ppr league on rt sports) I will post a line up I was able to establish out of the two spot:QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)Bench: Pierre Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dexter Mccluster, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore.This team was rated 99% playoff chance on football guys for whats its worth (obviously I don't put too much stock into that but will take it haha).
tl; drI would hate this team if it were mine.
 
My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt.



Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.
OK, let me see if I have this straight. Grab a RB early, don't reach on a player but instead take a proven stud and then any number of strategies are viable. I think I got it now, thanks.
No no no NO!Zigging where others Zag means:

Grab a RB early.

Don't take guys you don't feel good about.

Take the BPA when it's your turn.

 
My mantra all year has been get one rb to hang your hat on in the first two rounds and hope he stays healthy. From there don't worry about reaching for someone you don’t feel good about. Everyone is stuck in the get two rb's super early mode and I have zigged were others have zagged. If ppl are taking rb's I dont feel that good about, I will take a wr, qb, or te that is a proven stud. All of those positons have a higher (and in the case of qb and te much higher) chance to finish close to where you draft them than does a rb. They are all also less likely to get hurt. Obviously any number of strategies are very viable, but I am posting this to give you an idea of how I am thinking this season. Everyone says how much uncertainty there is at rb this year, so why chase it? Grab one you feel really good about starting every week, and from there just get players you are very confident in.In the leagues I play in we start 2 rb and 2 wr with one flex. I am looking to grab the players who give me the highest probability to fill those slots with the most points possible. You have to start a qb and te every week, so it would be wise to have one that isn't going to frequently give you a disadvantage. You only have to start 2 rb's, which is all I plan on starting unless one of my mid-late rounder’s emerges. If I have a couple rb's projected 25-35 (who all typically come at a very good value), I should be able to find one I can start and not lose too much production. This strategy is mostly based around ppr leagues btw (only format I really understand values in).Lets address a few things that some people may disagree with that I feel will give you an advantage:A tight end like Jimmy Graham in the late first or early 2nd round of a ppr is a very, very viable play. Jimmy Graham is the #1 target in a top 3 passing offense, and is also an absolute proven beast of a performer. He plays a position that you typically can only start one of and HAVE TO START every week. If I can lock in a statistical edge that (barring injury) I am almost sure to see every week, why would I not? People ask "who are the next graham and gronk this year?". The answer, more than likely, is that they don’t exist. These two are not only top 5 talents, but more importantly play in offenses and have qb's that set them up for success. Sure some te's like Rudolph, Cook, Gresham, etc. could all pleasantly surprise this year, but they simply aren't in as good of situations. I will say that while I am confident gronk will perform, I am not sure I would pay for him based on where he is going right now. So if I can't get Graham I am targeting Gates or Hernandez, who are also in very good situations to succeed this year. The way I look at Graham is this: Should I draft Demarco Murray, who has started all of 6 or so games in his NFL career and been injured consistently dating back to college over him? Be my guest if you want to. How about not grabbing a qb at the end of the first round and deciding to draft someone like Chris Johnson (who was terrible last year and looks mediocre again this pre season)? Rodgers, Brady, and Brees are likely to throw 1k yards more than the rest of the qb's (can maybe throw Stafford in there too). They will also likely throw 10 more td's than qb's you will get later. 1k yards=50 points in most leagues and 10 td's= 40 points. That’s a 90 point difference between those guys and someone you would grab in rounds 7-10. Not only is that a lot of points, you also have a better chance to actually take advantage of those points because a qb is again much less likely to get hurt than a rb you would draft at the end of round 1. And on top of all this they are also much more likely to perform consistently (and thus give you an advantage) every single week. Outside of Rice, Foster, Mccoy, and Mcfadden (if he is able to stay healthy), I don’t think the other options at rb are going to give you that. That is to say I would not at all be surprised if a rb someone takes in rounds 6-8 out performs a rb taken in rounds 2-3 any given week. So if I am waiting so long to draft a rb2 what kinds of players am I targeting? I am looking to add 2-3 of Peyton Hillis, Stevan Ridley, Jonathan Stewart, Deangelo Williams, Ryan Williams, Donald Brown, Mark Ingram, David Wilson, Pierre Thomas, Jacquizz Rodger, Kendall Hunter. and Dexter Mccluster. If you can grab 2-3 of these players I am confident you get enough production out of that second rb slot that, coupled with the advantages you should enjoy at other positions, will give a statistical edge over your opponents from week to week. After all, fantasy football really just comes down to putting a line up on the field that gives you the best chance to score the most points. And in a passing league I want the people throwing and catching the passes.To give an example of how I would execute this strategey in a very realistic setting ($125 12 team ppr league on rt sports) I will post a line up I was able to establish out of the two spot:QB: Matt Ryan (5) (not completley elite but someone I feel very good about)RB: Ray Rice (1), Peyton Hillis (7)WR: AJ Green (2), Brandon Marshall (3)TE: Gates (4) (obviously couldn't get Graham due to drafting so early)Flex: Reggie Wayne (6) (High on him this year, particuarly in ppr)Bench: Pierre Thomas, CJ Spiller, Dexter Mccluster, Mark Ingram, Jake Locker, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore.This team was rated 99% playoff chance on football guys for whats its worth (obviously I don't put too much stock into that but will take it haha).
tl; drI would hate this team if it were mine.
Good luck this season
 

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