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I can't believe this is really an argument here....the position of qb in the NFL is different than any other in all of sports. The qb is the guy who sets the tone. I remember a few years back when Romo took a Caribbean trip on the bye week. He got crucified for just taking the trip. Manziel is an idiot. He drinks too much for someone who is a leader of an NFL team and probably at one point had a coke problem (might still have it). This is why he is getting demoted. Anyone with half a brain would be laying low and spending extra time studying film.

People bring up #### like Joe Namath and Desean Jackson and they are not even remotely comparable; one played in a totally different era where many of the dudes had second jobs and what not, and the other plays a diva position , which is quite frankly a dime a dozen, so who cares if he parties?

Just think of all the top qbs in the league and think about what their reputations are as far as being devout students of the game, being demanding of others, being total hard ###es and #####. Johnny Dumb### doesn't get it. Like another person pointed out even Winston looks like he has seen the light. If you are the qb and you want to stay the qb, you have to be the first one in and the last one out; plain and simple. You can't bogart a pile of coke and then not wake up for practice.

My problem isn't with the notion that he may be all the things you say he is. My problem is with all the people who state those things as a fact.

You really should be able to back up assertions, particularly when you accuse someone of being a coke head. AFAIK the most damning evidence of cocaine is a cell phone photo which doesn't really show much of anything.

You must not have much experience with party.

Not being able to hear your alarm after a night of partying means one thing: drugs. Maybe not coke, maybe some other type of drug. Since the photo is out there I am going with coke. Also, you might not have any experience with hard drugs and you might not understand the allure and the physical longing once you have done it enough times. It just makes sense that he is on coke. I know, circumstantial evidence, but hey...how many people have been convicted on that? Lots.

ehh, alcohol is pretty damn hard to wake up from. in fact, in my experience, which is just about every drug and every means of ingestion, alcohol still takes the top spot for worst mornings.

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gFiOKfiDg

I agree that throughout NFL history hundreds of players have gotten away with far worse than Manziel but let's be honest, while he may be talented Manziel doesn't have anywhere near the arm talent that Brett Favre did.

Then again I think they are both very close in the knucklehead arena.

Umm...Favre doesn't even come close to Johnny in the area of knucklehead. Let's do a comparison if Johnny ends up playing more than 20 years.

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gFiOKfiDg

I agree that throughout NFL history hundreds of players have gotten away with far worse than Manziel but let's be honest, while he may be talented Manziel doesn't have anywhere near the arm talent that Brett Favre did.

Then again I think they are both very close in the knucklehead arena.

No way Johnny is dumb enough to text d##k pics. Even he knows how colossaly stupid that would be

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god how i wish the draft day rumors were true and jerry jones "stole" him from us vs. taking the guard.

who knows, maybe JF learns from romo for a year and could have one a few of the 7 games they just lost w/ romo out.

tough to be a browns fan...

Serious chance he's starting for Dallas soon.

Soon as in?????

If the Browns cut him this year, Dallas will 100% make the waiver claim.

50-50 Jerry trades for him in the offseason. You know he's spent the last 3 days chewing out his staff for stopping him from taking him in the first round. "If you'd let me take Johnny we wouldn't have this problem right now!"

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gFiOKfiDg

People still don't understand what this is about.

But let me point out one thing here - that is Brett Favre in Milwaukee being celebrated by Packer fans. Look at him there, he is loved by the fans. Packer fans. Not only that, but if you listen to teh audio they are talking about Favre taking the Packers to the Super Bowl. In fact he took GB to the NFC Championship and lost to the Cowboys.

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By the way what kind of 1st round quarterback can't beat out Hoyer his rookie year and couldn't beat out Josh McCown in his second year in the league? Colt McCoy started more games for the Browns than this guy. How stupid is this discussion? This is the player we are talking about.

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gFiOKfiDg

People still don't understand what this is about.

But let me point out one thing here - that is Brett Favre in Milwaukee being celebrated by Packer fans. Look at him there, he is loved by the fans. Packer fans. Not only that, but if you listen to teh audio they are talking about Favre taking the Packers to the Super Bowl. In fact he took GB to the NFC Championship and lost to the Cowboys.

Even if johnny lead a team to the SB, if a video came out the week following he would be destroyed

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By the way what kind of 1st round quarterback can't beat out Hoyer his rookie year and couldn't beat out Josh McCown in his second year in the league? Colt McCoy started more games for the Browns than this guy. How stupid is this discussion? This is the player we are talking about.

He was never in competition with McCown.
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Listening to NFL radio the past few days it seems Clev isn't really that upset with the video and his partying. They are very upset in his lies and attempts to cover it up. The trust is broken. I don't think it's coming back.

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

I agree that throughout NFL history hundreds of players have gotten away with far worse than Manziel but let's be honest, while he may be talented Manziel doesn't have anywhere near the arm talent that Brett Favre did.

Then again I think they are both very close in the knucklehead arena.

No way Johnny is dumb enough to text d##k pics. Even he knows how colossaly stupid that would be

I think it is quite possible that he is that colossally stupid.

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Check out 23 year old Favre in this video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gFiOKfiDg

I agree that throughout NFL history hundreds of players have gotten away with far worse than Manziel but let's be honest, while he may be talented Manziel doesn't have anywhere near the arm talent that Brett Favre did.

Then again I think they are both very close in the knucklehead arena.

Umm...Favre doesn't even come close to Johnny in the area of knucklehead. Let's do a comparison if Johnny ends up playing more than 20 years.

You serious Clark?

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Probably Manziel. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Davis. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Johnny again. Then he'll go on a bender Christmas Eve and get himself suspended. Then Terrelle Pryor gets the coveted week 17 start for the Browns. Then everyone gets fired.

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Probably Manziel. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Davis. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Johnny again. Then he'll go on a bender Christmas Eve and get himself suspended. Then Terrelle Pryor gets the coveted week 17 start for the Browns. Then everyone gets fired.

this is pretty accurate.

unless Pettine refuses to play Manziel, in which case he could get fired earlier.

same stuff, just slightly different order.

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Probably Manziel. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Davis. Who will probably get injured. Then we'll see Johnny again. Then he'll go on a bender Christmas Eve and get himself suspended. Then Terrelle Pryor gets the coveted week 17 start for the Browns. Then everyone gets fired.

This has the feel of a really good prediction framework.

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What's the most # of QBs that have started for Cleveland in one year?

Since they came back in 1999:

2015-2

2014-3

2013-3

2012-2

2011-2

2010-3

2009-2

2008-4

2007-2

2006-2

2005-2

2004-3

2003-2

2002-2

2001-1

2000-3

1999-2

So 4. Lots of 2-3 years.
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What's the most # of QBs that have started for Cleveland in one year?

Since they came back in 1999:

2015-2

2014-3

2013-3

2012-2

2011-2

2010-3

2009-2

2008-4

2007-2

2006-2

2005-2

2004-3

2003-2

2002-2

2001-1

2000-3

1999-2

So let me get this straight: If Austin Davis gets the nod this weekend, 2015 will be the fifth time in the last eight seasons that the Browns have trotted out at least THREE different starting QBs?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

"Dysfunctional" isn't even close to being a strong enough word for that organization.

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Davis is starting.

Ouch. JFF must be done in Clev.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw Davis starting.

I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

That's pretty easy to do when you're benching Manziel. It's not like you're faced with benching a premiere player.

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Davis is starting.

Ouch. JFF must be done in Clev.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw Davis starting.

I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

That's pretty easy to do when you're benching Manziel. It's not like you're faced with benching a premiere player.

For sure. Manziel is not a quality quarterback. But the fact remains that he was a first round pick and very popular with the fans. It would be very easy for him to fold and just play him because it would be the popular choice.

It's a shame Manziel never had a father figure or coach like this before. One that made him accountable for his actions. He may not be the way he is.

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I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

LOL.. Pettine is a joke.

Being a hard ### tough guy coach like he's running a high school team. And based on his ability, that is probably where he should be. Manziel will outlast him in Cleveland.

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I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

LOL.. Pettine is a joke.

Being a hard ### tough guy coach like he's running a high school team. And based on his ability, that is probably where he should be. Manziel will outlast him in Cleveland.

Pettine is likely gone at the end of the season. That is not saying much.

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I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

LOL.. Pettine is a joke.

Being a hard ### tough guy coach like he's running a high school team. And based on his ability, that is probably where he should be. Manziel will outlast him in Cleveland.

Pettine actually was a high school coach.

He knows he's out the door after this season, may as well come off like a stick-to-your-guns, disciplinarian type and maybe sucker another franchise to take the plunge. Anyone saying benching Manziel at this point of the season is a positive for the franchise is just someone who hates Manziel. Benching Manziel is only good for one person and that's Pettine. He's putting himself above the organization, trying to look good for people who post on internet football boards. Fire him now, why wait? This is the time of the year for teams out of the playoffs to get a good long look at personnel and we all know there isn't a more important position in sports. Just wasting games where they could evaluate the guy. Some call it admirable, I say it's dumb. Stuff like this is why they're the Browns.

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I like this coach. He has morals and sticks to them. Rare these days.

LOL.. Pettine is a joke.

Being a hard ### tough guy coach like he's running a high school team. And based on his ability, that is probably where he should be. Manziel will outlast him in Cleveland.

Possibly he will outlast him. But at least Pettine made rules and carried through on them.

And you've convinced me that you would be just like Manziel's daddy, high school, and college coaches and just let him play by his own set of rules. In other words. you'd be a part of the problem. There's a reason he's got all that talent and is one step from being out of the league. He's an immature knucklehead who's be told all of his life that the rules don't apply to him because he's a good football player. Once Cleveland finally gives up on th4e turd, his last shot will be Dallas. And he'll screw that up too and be back to living off his rich daddy's money. And it sure won't be Pettine's fault. He was the first guy in Manziel's life who tried to make him be a man.

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Oh my God Johnny, you lied to me! You said you wouldn't go to a club! You said that video was old!

He sounds like a high school girlfriend, not an NFL head coach. It's all grandstanding. If it wasn't grandstanding he'd have cut him by now.

Exactly!

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Oh my God Johnny, you lied to me! You said you wouldn't go to a club! You said that video was old!

He sounds like a high school girlfriend, not an NFL head coach. It's all grandstanding. If it wasn't grandstanding he'd have cut him by now.

Maybe he wouldnt act like a HS coach if Johnny didnt act like a 18 year old drunk HS senior that just went on summer break.

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Oh my God Johnny, you lied to me! You said you wouldn't go to a club! You said that video was old!

He sounds like a high school girlfriend, not an NFL head coach. It's all grandstanding. If it wasn't grandstanding he'd have cut him by now.

If Petine had GM power, he probably would have

cut him by now.

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Oh my God Johnny, you lied to me! You said you wouldn't go to a club! You said that video was old!

He sounds like a high school girlfriend, not an NFL head coach. It's all grandstanding. If it wasn't grandstanding he'd have cut him by now.

Petine would have cut him long ago if he had that kind of power. Unfortunately, he doesn't. Hopefully, Manziel is learning from this. History suggests that he isn't, but maybe missing a Monday night game for the whole country to see will make it hit home.

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