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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (4 Viewers)
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Given those two opportunities against playoff caliber talent. You sound stupid dude.
He has always looked like an 8th grader or playground QB/ That's his style and was young Favre's style too. Doesn't really matter if it works.
He was a college sensation. That gets you a shot in the NFL, always.
I get why people didn't like he or Tebow and all the major press they got for a different style of play and what some construed as arrogance versus confidence and all that. I don't understand the hatred continuing after either have eaten as much crow as they have.
Tebow went through an unemployed season and worked with a QB coach to improve his game. Manziel went to rehab and even sounds different like he really took a beating to his arrogance.
AFTER what they've been through, to me, people seem mean to still beat on the guys.
I live in Oklahoma-if you QBd the opposing team you're an enemy, if you steal the press you're the enemy...those two had plenty of haters here while Bradford still got love. I haven't heard bashing of these two in a long while. It was fun and even comical sometimes when you do that toward a rival. I get all that.
Now it just seems mean and I feel like there's only a handful still doing it. The landscape changed. Ya gotta adjust your hatred.
Tebow is a long time removed from Florida. Now he's just a good boy that has worked hard. The bashers look like bullies now.
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sbonomo
Footballguy
Based on last year he is not even a backup qb in this league....what did you see that was different? He is a complete bust for a first round pick...His value is around a 5th at best????
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sbonomo
Footballguy
did you watch him play? And you thinking he had the best arm in that class is completely laughable and takes away any creditability you think you have.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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sbonomo
Footballguy
you realize that most divisions and play off spots are decided by a game or so right. also, you realize he will have to play against playoff teams ever year, he does not just get to play bad teams.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
We passing final judgement on the guy after a whopping 35 pass attempts? There is a pretty long list of good NFL QBs who were as bad as Manziel 35 passes into their careers.
Eli should have been cut after his rookie year too following this logic.
The Ravens taunted and teased him so bad, there's articles on the subject that are pretty funny. A DL laughing so hard he stood up before the snap and was flagged for offsides.
As Peyton set the NFL world on fire with 4,5,6 TD games, Eli almost matched him with as many INTs.
Kurt Warner-who lost his job to this guy- and Tom Coughlin were extremely supportive at a time when everyone beat on him. The OL has had a few articles about them picking him up and dusting him off.
For everything terrible about Manziel's rookie season-lately I've been like hmmm some of you do still support the guy hmmm
It'll be interesting to see.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Read some of the analysis on his pro day passing workout and get back to me. He has as much natural arm talent as any QB in last year's class. If he busts, which I think he probably will BTW, it'll be because of what's above his shoulders, not what's underneath them.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Pretty sure that all anyone is suggesting is that it's too early to make a definitive call either way on Manziel. Or anyone after a mere 35 pass attempts for that matter.
You realize he was thrown to the wolves in his first two games against playoff caliber talent, right? This isn't talking about a career, or even entire season, but a two game sample size against playoff talent? He didn't even get a chance to play a bad team.
So I provide a reasoning for comparison and your reply is "not sure how you compare the two"
There's so many high school kids littering the board today
sbonomo
Footballguy
sure thing i-tough guy. There are very mixed reports about him. Most are either boom or bust. Watching him play gives me everything i need to know. He throws ducks and does not have a clue. Couple that with his off field problems and he is looking at a very short tenure in the league. Do you think he is worth a first round pick?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You continue to miss the point entirely. 35. NFL. Pass. Attempts. Isn't. Enough. To. Say. For. Sure. That. He. Sucks.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
could I take a page from the wells report and say he probably and most likely sux?
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
He's probably too much of a spoiled immature doosh to put in the work necessary to succeed at the NFL level and lead a professional team IMO.
Flat out saying he doesn't have NFL-level physical tools is dumb, though. As is calling his career done based on 35 pass attempts.
massraider
Footballguy
Don't really know where the arm strength this is coming from, but Carr and Savage have stronger arms, for sure.
His arm talent is below average. Can he chuck it 70 yards? Maybe. But he can't throw the 15 yard out. I'm a Raiders fan, if I thought Manziel had a better arm than Carr, I might cry myself to sleep.
He can throw it 40 yard into a crowd, and Mike Evans can save his bacon by tearing it away from cornerbacks, and all the hillbillys can yell, "Johnny Football is magic!!!" In retrospect, people should have given Evans more credit for Johnny's magic.
He doesn't look anything like an NFL player. Wilson and Brees do. Johnny looks like a high school kid that stole a uniform.
His physical tools, for an NFL QB, are probably in the 15-20th percentile. Maybe less.
I haven't seen him make an NFL throw in the NFL yet.
Faust
MVP
Mike Pettine says it's 'fair to say' Josh McCown favorite to start opener:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12847477/mike-pettine-says-fair-say-josh-mccown-track-start-season-opener-cleveland-browns
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12847477/mike-pettine-says-fair-say-josh-mccown-track-start-season-opener-cleveland-browns
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I have my doubts that JF is going to make it in the NFL. However, we did only see a small sample size.
The excuses need to stop though. He was not thrown to the wolves. He played in games near the end of the season. It's not like he started and struggled in week 1. He had many months of practice in the NFL to perform better than he did.
The excuses need to stop though. He was not thrown to the wolves. He played in games near the end of the season. It's not like he started and struggled in week 1. He had many months of practice in the NFL to perform better than he did.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator John DeFilippo has spent only a short time with Johnny Manziel, but so far, he likes what he's seen.
"Johnny's been great,'' DeFilippo said after the second rookie camp practice Saturday, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "He's been fantastic. What he wants to talk about, before he stepped foot back in this building is his business. All I know is Johnny the football player, and he's been awesome. He's been working hard, very hard with myself and (quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell), and doing what we want him to do on the field."
Manziel was discharged from inpatient rehab April 11 after 10 weeks, and all indications are that he's been making positive changes to his life off the field.
"All I know is this: from the moment he stepped in this building from the last two weeks, he's been nothing but a consummate professional,'' DeFilippo said. "He's spent every hour that he's been allowed to spend in this building. We give them worksheets every Tuesday and every Friday, and they're done to the unbelievable detail that we need an NFL quarterback to do. From that standpoint, like I said I can't predict the future, but all I can do is tell you right now Johnny Manziel is putting himself in a position to be a quarterback in the NFL."
DeFilippo, who found success with quarterback Terrelle Pryor in Oakland, stressed that he won't make any drastic changes to Manziel's playing style.
"I'm the last guy - the last guy - that's going to take Johnny Manziel's athleticism away from him, " DeFilippo said. "I will not do that. I refuse to do that. Okay? And I told Terrelle Pryor the same thing. 'That's part of your game. Now, we need to refine the other part to make you the complete quarterback.'''
Article by Clifford Holroyd
"Johnny's been great,'' DeFilippo said after the second rookie camp practice Saturday, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "He's been fantastic. What he wants to talk about, before he stepped foot back in this building is his business. All I know is Johnny the football player, and he's been awesome. He's been working hard, very hard with myself and (quarterbacks coach Kevin O'Connell), and doing what we want him to do on the field."
Manziel was discharged from inpatient rehab April 11 after 10 weeks, and all indications are that he's been making positive changes to his life off the field.
"All I know is this: from the moment he stepped in this building from the last two weeks, he's been nothing but a consummate professional,'' DeFilippo said. "He's spent every hour that he's been allowed to spend in this building. We give them worksheets every Tuesday and every Friday, and they're done to the unbelievable detail that we need an NFL quarterback to do. From that standpoint, like I said I can't predict the future, but all I can do is tell you right now Johnny Manziel is putting himself in a position to be a quarterback in the NFL."
DeFilippo, who found success with quarterback Terrelle Pryor in Oakland, stressed that he won't make any drastic changes to Manziel's playing style.
"I'm the last guy - the last guy - that's going to take Johnny Manziel's athleticism away from him, " DeFilippo said. "I will not do that. I refuse to do that. Okay? And I told Terrelle Pryor the same thing. 'That's part of your game. Now, we need to refine the other part to make you the complete quarterback.'''
Article by Clifford Holroyd
pantherclub
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Sucks about his arm strength - has everything else to be a starting NFL QB.
ETA: Think Lindley/Ponder.
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This wrecked RG3's game (some blame to injury) and is an old old adage that isn't really true. Old Flutie ran around plenty as did Young and Elway.
Old Randall was probably the most grossly adjusted player.
Just let the guy do his thing.
If you need to draft linemen with better feet, do it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, yeah. Seems obvious to me that if he shows even the slightest glimmer, he should start.
All the other options are guaranteed to suck, so what is the worst that could happen? They lose the games they were gonna lose anyway?
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Here is my guess to when Manziel will start....
Cleveland has some favorable matchups to start the season. They play a road game vs the Jets who had a massive amount of changes to their team. That is probably a 50/50 game. They then are at home to play the lowly Titans and Raiders. This first month of the season will be interesting.
The scenarios will be as follows.
-Start 0 and 3 with that favorable schedule and you have to start Manziel in week 4.
-A 1 and 2 start and 'poor' QB play may start to think about making the change but probably will give McCown another week.
-A 1 and 2 start with 'average' play from McCown will for sure buy him another game in week 4.
-Start 2 and 1 or 3 and 0 and it will for sure buy McCown time for sure.
The make or break point for the Browns and for McCown:
-In weeks 4, 5 and 6 you have SD, Bal, and Denver. A rough patch there and you will see Manziel in week 7 vs the Rams.
My guess is week 7 Manziel will be under center.
Cleveland has some favorable matchups to start the season. They play a road game vs the Jets who had a massive amount of changes to their team. That is probably a 50/50 game. They then are at home to play the lowly Titans and Raiders. This first month of the season will be interesting.
The scenarios will be as follows.
-Start 0 and 3 with that favorable schedule and you have to start Manziel in week 4.
-A 1 and 2 start and 'poor' QB play may start to think about making the change but probably will give McCown another week.
-A 1 and 2 start with 'average' play from McCown will for sure buy him another game in week 4.
-Start 2 and 1 or 3 and 0 and it will for sure buy McCown time for sure.
The make or break point for the Browns and for McCown:
-In weeks 4, 5 and 6 you have SD, Bal, and Denver. A rough patch there and you will see Manziel in week 7 vs the Rams.
My guess is week 7 Manziel will be under center.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I don't think Pettine is going to be super worried about "developing" Manziel. Given Haslem's impatience with coaches, he probably just plays the best guy and tries to win and keep his job.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
Good point.
Although Pettine could possibly buy more time if Manziel starts to show improvement and look like a starting NFL qb. He could use the I am developing our qb for the future ala Teddy Bridgewater and Derek Carr and we will start winning more games as he gets better.
The Browns won some last year. I don't think this unit is afforded a 4 win season of forgiveness. I would guess they want playoffs or at least playoff race in December
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Faust
MVP
Calmer lifestyle helping Johnny Manziel prepare for season:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12892016/calmer-lifestyle-helping-cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-prep-season
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12892016/calmer-lifestyle-helping-cleveland-browns-qb-johnny-manziel-prep-season
If you do a google news search of Manziel it's pretty interesting. With all the results presented geesh he's still polarizing. Going solely from headlines(which match comments here) Johnny football went from "cut, trade, dumped" to possible starter in about two weeks.
That's really amazing.He must look real good
That's really amazing.He must look real good
pantherclub
Footballguy
^say what?
werdnoynek
Footballguy
I'm still a believer.
Faust
MVP
Joe Haden: Johnny Manziel intends to start for Browns this season
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25188056/joe-haden-johnny-manziel-intends-to-start-for-browns-this-season
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25188056/joe-haden-johnny-manziel-intends-to-start-for-browns-this-season
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
chris1969
Footballguy
Coaches had written him off before camp and are now singing praises. I didn't think it was possible but he might be the week 1 starter. That being said, I don't think he stays healthy even if he is able to perform. That happy feet thing he does will get him killed in the NFL.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
This storyline is going to be interesting. Has Manziel really changed his ways that much? And if he has then he will easily be starting in place of Mccown before too long.
mr roboto
Footballguy
Let's say he changes his life, no drugs, partying etc. Fully devoted himself to football and his spare time is taken up with helping kids who have cancer or something else humanitarian.
He's still an undersized scrambler who made his mark in college on broken plays and chucking it to Evans. I doubt his talent to be a competent NFL QB more than his ability to stay clean.
He's still an undersized scrambler who made his mark in college on broken plays and chucking it to Evans. I doubt his talent to be a competent NFL QB more than his ability to stay clean.
