Johnny Manziel draws the #### LeBeau card against TitansThe old man of defense is waiting for him this week.
This article is complete nonsense. I realize it's just based on the nonsense the Browns organization is putting out, but Johnny absolutely is playing with opportunity to take over as the Browns starter any time he gets on the field.
To be fair, the Titans d isn't much better than he faced in collegeJust like college
i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win. looking forward to actually watching him do it again.The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.
Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.
His playing style so far has been different then I expected. He is getting outside the pocket and throwing down field as opposed to scrambling. That is a positive.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win.looking forward to actually watching him do it again.The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.
Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.
still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable.
Deiken and Donovan both said the same thing on the radio broadcast today which makes me hopeful that he's starting to get it.His playing style so far has been different then I expected. He is getting outside the pocket and throwing down field as opposed to scrambling. That is a positive.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win.looking forward to actually watching him do it again.The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.
Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.
still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable.
he fumbled two more times, but the browns got them this time.i didn't get to watch the game, but by all accounts he did well. and they got the win. looking forward to actually watching him do it again.The kid does well this thread is a ghost town.
Next game he struggles, guaranteed 4 more pages of haterade.
still have concerns about his playing style and how long it can be viable.
he completed 8 passesManziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-day
Over half that he attempted and 2 of which went for a tuddy. I'd say that's quite a day.he completed 8 passesManziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-day
It was a very conservative game plan for Cleveland after getting the big lead early. Johnny only had 17 attempts and I think 3 of them were throw aways. He had a 133.9 QB rating.he completed 8 passesManziel's agent taunts Merril Hoge after Johnny Football's big day:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25310129/agent-taunts-merril-hoge-after-johnny-manziels-big-day
I'd prefer they sit him for the year and try again with some skill help next year.I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
Playing time is valuable. You can draft skill guys regardless and he will be a year more seasoned to work with them.I'd prefer they sit him for the year and try again with some skill help next year.I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
yoooooooooTitans defense only ranked 10th this week.
should be much higher.
Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
here's the problemYeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Hasn't he only started like 3 games? This team is going no where with either quarterback, but Manziel should be the starter. In my opinion Manziel has less than a 5 percent chance to be the long term answer for the Browns as the starting qb, but McCown has a 0 percent chance.Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point?Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Well he just won a game. Also you could say the same thing about McCown.Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point?Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Agreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.here's the problemYeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Manziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.
I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.
that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coach
i do not knowAgreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.here's the problemYeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Manziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.
I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.
that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coach
And really, is a 6-7 win season with McCown more likely to keep folks around than a 4-5 win season if Manziel implodes?
I don't follow. So far this year one start and 1 win for Manziel who had a great qb rating and made a couple of highlight reel throws in only his 3rd start of his young career. To say he stinks at this stage is short sighted and dumb.Coaches and Gm's dont want to get fired trotting out a qb like Johnny to try and win games. They know he stinks so whats the point?Yeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
There isn't a safer play and if you are going to get fired for winning 4 or 5 games you are most likely going to get fired for winning 6 or 7i do not knowAgreed -- and that's been a huge part of the problem in Cleveland. They're NEVER going to get anywhere with a continual revolving door at the top. Unless they start giving their coaches a reasonable window to try to turn things around long term, it'll continue to be a mess.here's the problemYeah, but you KNOW McCown isn't the long term answer. Manziel, ehhh...Didn't we just see? Are you implying that he's going to do great things NEXT game? How do you envision this working?I think it would be dumb to not see what they have in Manziel now.
So far, he hasn't shown anything to prove he's better than back-up material. This "see what they have" stuff has been tried 5-6 times already.
If they go back to McCown, then you're still sitting on a "probably not, but maybe" in Manziel a year from now. I personally wouldn't have invested a 1st rounder in the guy, but that horse already left the barn. Might as well see what Maziel can do with all of the practice reps and game snaps IMO, and if he can't hack it move on next offseason.
Manziel could be worse than McCown. McCown has had some success in this league, at least once.
I do not think this coach or GM feel safe enough to think long term. A bad season and they might just get canned. So they have to try and win the most games possible now. If McCown gives them that chance they have to start him rather than role the dice it Manziel to see if he is their man of the future. They are not sure they have a future.
that's my 2 cents anyway. You may be right from a removed point of view that seeing what Manziel is is the correct long term play, but if johnny is awful then determining he is not their future QB cold lead to determining that the coach is not their future coach
And really, is a 6-7 win season with McCown more likely to keep folks around than a 4-5 win season if Manziel implodes?
but i can see how a coach who thinks his job is on the line would rather the safer play than the riskier one
Nah, McCown's a veteran. it's only week 4.He's gotta still be botching things up behind the scenes to not be starting at this point.