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Official Johnny Manziel Thread (8 Viewers)
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Grahamburn
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
This is actually kind of true. Tebow is a good example. Now Johnny Football is a far better prospect than Tebow but if you look at the history of Heisman QBs vs other positions, the hit rate is much lower in the pros.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
Cam is 6'6 270 lbs with the strongest arm in the NFL.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Last 16 Heisman QBs, 1 playoff win...
Yes, Cam is a good QB. And maybe he makes it 2 Heisman QBs. But when Vinny Testeverde is your best Heisman QB ever...
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/of-the-past-16-qbs-to-win-the-heisman-guess-whos-the-only-one-with-an-nfl-playoff-victory-as-a-starter/
Yes, Cam is a good QB. And maybe he makes it 2 Heisman QBs. But when Vinny Testeverde is your best Heisman QB ever...
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Wait. What were we talking about?
Cam's Heisman Year:
2,854 passing yards. 30 TDs, 7 INTs. 1,473 rushing yards. 20 TDs.
Manziel's Heisman Year:
3,706 passing yards. 26 TDs, 9 INTs. 1,410 rushing yards. 21 TDs.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The Heisman is a pretty arbitrary award. Trying to link future success or failure to that particular trophy is kind of silly.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Manziel's NON-Heisman year:
4114/37/13 passing and 686/8 rushing.
Improved completion percentage from 68% to 69.9%.
Not exactly germane to the Heisman discussion, but it shows that the kid is improving as a passer.
4114/37/13 passing and 686/8 rushing.
Improved completion percentage from 68% to 69.9%.
Not exactly germane to the Heisman discussion, but it shows that the kid is improving as a passer.
mr roboto
Footballguy
All the Heisman means to me is that lighting up CFB doesn't necessarily mean lighting up the NFL. I actually like Manziel and would live to see my Vikes draft him cause his ceiling is absurd. But CFB success isn't the best argument for a QB prospect. You have to look at measurables, arm strength, tape etc.
Grahamburn
Footballguy
The team who takes the "chance" is going to get a gamer. I don't see how people can be skeptical about the kid's ability to play football.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
I hope he lights up the NFL, gets caught smoking weed, donates 25% of his bonus to orphans and another 25% to his buddies still playing at A&M, gets a prominent tattoo denigrating the league and cures cancer. I hope he makes Roger Goodell's head explode.
Yes, the league will slap him down; the league always wins. But he can still become our William Wallace. "They can garnish our paychecks but they'll never take..... OUR FREEDOM!"
Yes, the league will slap him down; the league always wins. But he can still become our William Wallace. "They can garnish our paychecks but they'll never take..... OUR FREEDOM!"
Concept Coop
Footballguy
The suggestion that his winning the Heisman is a negative sign for his pro prospects is plain silly. It's not a positive either, granted. It means next to nothing.
pantherclub
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
FUBAR
Footballguy
Roger Staubach would disagree.
Palmer was good for a few years.
Paul Hornung is a HOFer.
But yes, overall it's a horrible list for NFL QBs.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
At this point in my life I'm not really a fan of any individual player like I was when I was a kid. That said, I watched Manziel play once last season and became an instant fan. I would LOVE for this guy to do well in the NFL. And if he wants to play the villain all the better. I have no idea whether or not his style of play will succeed in the pros, but if he can bring half the magic he does at A&M then the Raiders would do well to draft him.
(Caveat: I know jack squat about the college game or scouting, I'm basing this all on emotion.)
(Caveat: I know jack squat about the college game or scouting, I'm basing this all on emotion.)
Faust
MVP
2014 NFL Draft: Johnny Manziel to discuss NFL decision with family
By Derek Harper | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
January 6, 2014 7:00 pm ET
By Derek Harper | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com
January 6, 2014 7:00 pm ET
mr roboto
Footballguy
Yea, I guess Vinny has the most yards.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Not sure about the intangibles? Wilson has perhaps the best intangibles of any young QB. I doubt Manziel has Wilson's love of the game when he's out partying all the time.
Balance
Footballguy
Yea, no NFL stars have ever partied and had success. I mean that Cowboy dynasty must have hated the game.
pantherclub
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
His character concerns aren't any worse than Favre, Marino, Roethlisberger....
He's a good ole boy, beer drinking bro (probable) DBag. No problem there.
He's a good ole boy, beer drinking bro (probable) DBag. No problem there.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
Exactly. QB is 80% mental, knowing what options the defense presents before you snap the ball. Insane ability will take you so far, and can be dazzling, but wont have consistent success at the pro level. Look at RG3 this year, his head was a mess and so was his game.
Hoping Mr Football can get it together.
massraider
Footballguy
I wish I could place a wager on Manziel getting play for the #1 pick. First week of April, that'd be my guess.
The best part of the draft, to me, is the late risers throwing everyone's projections out of whack. Right now, the assumption is that Manziel is probably a 1st rounder. That's not gonna hold. Barring another character bump in the road, I think he's a top 5 lock. And I think by April, that's just gonna be 'common knowledge'.
I just cannot see there not being some serious discussion in Houston about this kid. If Manziel is Brett Favre 2.0, the Texans have a chance to roar by the Cowboys for a decade. For Pete's sake, he's white, and the call him Johnny Football. If he has even a Dalton or Russell Wilson rookie year, they're a playoff team.
The best part of the draft, to me, is the late risers throwing everyone's projections out of whack. Right now, the assumption is that Manziel is probably a 1st rounder. That's not gonna hold. Barring another character bump in the road, I think he's a top 5 lock. And I think by April, that's just gonna be 'common knowledge'.
I just cannot see there not being some serious discussion in Houston about this kid. If Manziel is Brett Favre 2.0, the Texans have a chance to roar by the Cowboys for a decade. For Pete's sake, he's white, and the call him Johnny Football. If he has even a Dalton or Russell Wilson rookie year, they're a playoff team.
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
Was Aikman out partying all the time?
Equating the QB position to any other position is failure from the get go.
Manziel's physical traits don't scare me near as much as his attitude and psyche do. Wilson has a work ethic and drive that help him mitigate his height concerns.
You couple Manziel's slight build and his average arm strength with questionable judgment and a predilection for coping with stress via his fondness for the party life...and that's a pretty big risk. What's he going to do when he's got the face of the franchise pressure and gets a few pick 6's under his belt because he tries to sneak a few balls into places that he used to be able to back in college? Is he going to double down on his study habits and commitment to learning the craft or is he going to think that staying loose via a night on the town is the answer?
Is he a gamer? Absolutely. But that doesn't always translate. You are taking a gamble that the light will come on for him in terms of professionalism and maturity.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Might be a nice time to speculatively pick up an aging Andre Johnson as well. Two or three QBs out there who could improve his value next year.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep, the ball will start rolling after the Combine and will really start tumbling after free agency fades. I'll be more stunned if he's not picked top 5 than I will be if he is picked 1st.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Ken Stabler was a partying legend, at Bama and in the pros. Manziel is probably as talented as Stabler was (Stabler was underrated imo). The difference, and its a huge one is that Stabler dealt with a 1960s/70s sports media which is hardly the pressure cooker that today's media is. Has Manziel dealt with today's media? Hardly. He goes to a hick college in Texas where the local media treat him like a king and if that isn't cloistered enough, he takes online courses so he doesn't even have to interact with his peon classmates. He has no idea what it's going to be like when he throws a game losing interception and will deal with national NFL writers beating him down. A more talented Ryan Leaf just means a more delayed meltdown.
cstu
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
snogger
Footballguy
Not with his "play" ability as everyone knows what you are getting there..
But it will be the first time scouts and other NFL officials have a chance to speak one on one with him.. Will give them insight on where his mind really is..
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Manziel has been pretty well blasted by the media already. You can say he hasn't "dealt" with it well but it's never bothered him or affected his play. If anything, he seems to have the personality to just shrug off bad press, which he already did early this year.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
That was an hors d'oeuvres. I'll be happy to take the speculation about how he handles the NFL media back when he gets to the veal.
Faust
MVP
2014 NFL Draft: A&M's Manziel set for NFL decision
By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com
January 8, 2014 11:53 am ET
By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com
January 8, 2014 11:53 am ET
ebsteelers
Footballguy
Johnny Heisman first round first pick
rocket arm, rocket legs
rocket arm, rocket legs
massraider
Footballguy
He'll be under a microscope, which may not feel that much different than college. The only NFL media that might be as tough as all that is Boston and New York, and looks like he won't be in either place.
Media scrutiny is a weird thing to bring up, only because this kid might be as unfazed by it as any college kid since Tebow.
Sweet Love
IBL Representative
As per RotoWorld (via Gil Brandt), he will be entering the 2014 draft.
Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel will forgo his final two years of eligibility and enter the NFL draft.
Source: Gil Brandt on Twitter
Jan 8 - 12:26 PM
Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel will forgo his final two years of eligibility and enter the NFL draft.
Source: Gil Brandt on Twitter
Jan 8 - 12:26 PM
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MAC_32
Footballguy
ebsteelers
Footballguy
exactly..
while i hope Johnny is successful in the NFL. trying to figure out heisman winner to future success wont work.
Heisman is given out to the guy with best stats normally on 1 of the best teams in the country.
remember eric crouch and such
JaxBill
Footballguy
My two cents is that he'll be a more accurate Mike Vick.
He'll make highlight plays that start out with people saying "No,no,no" and end with "Wow".
But his style of play will invite too many hits and you better plan on having a quality backup that can start 2-4 games a year in his place.
He'll make highlight plays that start out with people saying "No,no,no" and end with "Wow".
But his style of play will invite too many hits and you better plan on having a quality backup that can start 2-4 games a year in his place.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
But that's just it. If Mike Vick was more accurate he wouldn't have to take off as much and would get hit less.
Area51Inhabitant
Footballguy
Mike Vick? Brett Favre? Where do people come up with these ridiculous comparisons. He doesn't have anywhere near the arm strength or running ability of Vick. Favre had a much better arm than Manziel could possibly hope to have. Even the Russell Wilson comparison is a joke. Wilson had tremendous success as a pocket passer on two separate programs and even considering his lack of height. The only comparison which made even a modicum of sense is the Doug Flutie comparison.
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massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I have a tough time getting around the size/durability concerns.
No scouting report is going to convince me that he is going to avoid injury. Pretty much every position in the NFL, being smaller results in a lot more injuries.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Not sure I agree. His college comp pct was much higher and Manziel got hit a ton. Part of the reason for the comp pct is he runs around so much is waiting for recvers,
He won't throw the ball away.
He's just constantly lookign for the big play like the young Mike Vick was.
