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***Detroit Tigers thread: 1st pick yet again, this is not fun*** (2 Viewers)

Tigers are 48-3 after seven innings this year though, so it's not nearly as bad as some want to make it out to be.
When the playoffs arrive, do you think they'll switch Smyly back to middle relief? If the starters can go 7 innings in a number of the playoff games and Smyly could bridge or finish a couple more, they should be quite fine, I would think.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Tigers added two more bullpen arms between now and September 1st. If they make the playoffs a lot of it will depend on match-ups, as in whether the team they are playing is better versus lefties or righties. Smyly or Porcello make great options as the #4 starter or your first bullpen option in the middle innings, so there is some comfort there.

 
Soria in

Can't believe they traded Jake Thompson though. Knebel I can see.

Remember, Soria has one more year on his deal.

 
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GD, that's a shame. I think most had JT as a top 3 prospect and he's the one guy I thought had the potential to be something special.

 
Al Al doesn't seem like he'll ever be a guy to trust. No doubt they need another arm, I'm hoping for Soria.
Right sized contract, wrong price trade is my sense. DD has less than 2 weeks to come up with something.

Have not had too many baseball related thoughts in the last five days. Buried at work, took my kids to see a modern dance performance tonight, toes will be in the sand for the next couple days.
Ray, Thompson, and Travis are probably off limits. Crawford, McCann and Moya are probably guys they'd like to keep but would trade with the right offer. They aren't giving up a ton to get Benoit, Soria or whoever. Will depend on what other teams are doing, just about every team in contention can use a good reliever so the sellers have the upper hand.
I guess I was wrong about Thompson, I thought for sure they'd only trade him as a last resort. But maybe this is the last resort.

Jacob Turner and Andrew Miller were both top 10 MLB prospects at one point, Dombrowski traded them for great returns and they never/haven't panned out. Turner still young but he looks like a back of the rotation guy, not the #2 many thought he would be. BP had Thompson and Knebal as the 9th and 10th best franchise assets under 25 years old. Thompson's upside is a middle of the rotation guy, Knebel possibly a closer. Crawford and Ray are more advanced than Thompson and some scouts have those guys higher. But Thompson is rising, Texas got a pretty good arm.

If this was a fantasy baseball trade, I like it for both sides. If the Tigers win the World Series Soria will play an important role, so that's really the bottom line regardless of what happens to the prospects.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
They have similar arms in the system though, which is good. Just nice to have five or six of those guys because you know half of them will never work out.

Derek Hill is now the #1 prospect in the system, and they just drafted him.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
They have similar arms in the system though, which is good. Just nice to have five or six of those guys because you know half of them will never work out. Derek Hill is now the #1 prospect in the system, and they just drafted him.
And he got off to a good start.

Lakeland had several arms looking good earlier this year. The progression takes awhile for most h.s. pitchers.

The thing I liked about Thimpson is he had a filled out body for a 20 y.o. Never saw him live but he fits the mold of a big guy who could be eating up a lot of innings in a few years.

But if Soria helps them solidify the BP it's the right move. We don't know how much longer this run lasts; win now while you got the core in it's prime.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
They have similar arms in the system though, which is good. Just nice to have five or six of those guys because you know half of them will never work out. Derek Hill is now the #1 prospect in the system, and they just drafted him.
And he got off to a good start.

Lakeland had several arms looking good earlier this year. The progression takes awhile for most h.s. pitchers.

The thing I liked about Thimpson is he had a filled out body for a 20 y.o. Never saw him live but he fits the mold of a big guy who could be eating up a lot of innings in a few years.

But if Soria helps them solidify the BP it's the right move. We don't know how much longer this run lasts; win now while you got the core in it's prime.
I think they need one more guy. Maybe like an Antonio Bastardo type, who won't cost much.

Thompson likely is going to be a pretty good SP, Knebel seems like a guy who will be a good late inning option soon.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
Baseball America ranked Thompson as Detroit's No. 4 prospect and Knebel as the Tigers' No. 6 prospect before this season. Tigers giving up some quality players, I guess their all in for this year

 
Doctor Detroit said:
I like signing a guy like Soria to pitch at the back end, resigning Dotel and finding a power arm jettisoned from another organization. No high priced guys needed, just more options to go to.
Dombrowski should have me on speed dial, would have saved him two good prospects. :mellow:

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
Baseball America ranked Thompson as Detroit's No. 4 prospect and Knebel as the Tigers' No. 6 prospect before this season. Tigers giving up some quality players, I guess their all in for this year
Knebel has put up stellar numbers the last year plus in the minors but stumbled in his first audition. Doesn't have great command IMO so that one I'm indifferent to. Even if you end up trading a Smoltz away it's still the right move if they win it all. These chances don't come along often.

2 WS titles since 1945. The 30 years since the last one is the longest stretch since the founding of the AL until their first title ('35). Damn right they should be all in.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
They have similar arms in the system though, which is good. Just nice to have five or six of those guys because you know half of them will never work out. Derek Hill is now the #1 prospect in the system, and they just drafted him.
And he got off to a good start.Lakeland had several arms looking good earlier this year. The progression takes awhile for most h.s. pitchers.

The thing I liked about Thimpson is he had a filled out body for a 20 y.o. Never saw him live but he fits the mold of a big guy who could be eating up a lot of innings in a few years.

But if Soria helps them solidify the BP it's the right move. We don't know how much longer this run lasts; win now while you got the core in it's prime.
I think they need one more guy. Maybe like an Antonio Bastardo type, who won't cost much. Thompson likely is going to be a pretty good SP, Knebel seems like a guy who will be a good late inning option soon.
Meh, should go get a LH bat first.

DD has a pretty good track record outside of Fister. I trust him. Doubt he's done yet. This is the last shot with Max on board. Go for it.

 
(Top 3 of our depleted system...it's a long ways from Erie to the D. Probably weren't going to see him until Sept 2015.)
They have similar arms in the system though, which is good. Just nice to have five or six of those guys because you know half of them will never work out. Derek Hill is now the #1 prospect in the system, and they just drafted him.
And he got off to a good start.Lakeland had several arms looking good earlier this year. The progression takes awhile for most h.s. pitchers.

The thing I liked about Thimpson is he had a filled out body for a 20 y.o. Never saw him live but he fits the mold of a big guy who could be eating up a lot of innings in a few years.

But if Soria helps them solidify the BP it's the right move. We don't know how much longer this run lasts; win now while you got the core in it's prime.
I think they need one more guy. Maybe like an Antonio Bastardo type, who won't cost much. Thompson likely is going to be a pretty good SP, Knebel seems like a guy who will be a good late inning option soon.
Meh, should go get a LH bat first.
Dirks!

 
I take it Hanrahan is not going to come back this year. If he does, I guess it's a bonus/luxury.

Would like it if they could add Rollins as a rental at SS if they could get him for relatively cheap. Would rather not want to count on Suarez in the postseason.

 
The Texas Rangers traded closer Joakim Soria to the Detroit Tigers for two pitching prospects Wednesday night.

The deal is pending physicals and sends rookie right-hander Corey Knebel and right-handed minor league prospect Jake Thompson to Texas.
It seems the Tigers are getting killed for the price they paid on this one. Not sure I get it. They've traded two high prospects for an elite level reliever/closer. But they are only high prospects because the Tigers system sucks. It doesn't seem that anyone thinks either Thompson or Knebel has a ridiculous ceiling and Soria is pretty great.

And for all of the people complaining that the Tigers could have addressed their bullpen in the offseason at a lower price, that is exactly what they did. They added Nathan and Chamberlain. Nathan just happens to have finally hit the wall. So I don't get the criticism of inactivity at all.

 
Tigers are 48-3 after seven innings this year though, so it's not nearly as bad as some want to make it out to be.
When the playoffs arrive, do you think they'll switch Smyly back to middle relief? If the starters can go 7 innings in a number of the playoff games and Smyly could bridge or finish a couple more, they should be quite fine, I would think.
Hopefully Smyly is not needed as a bridge and he can take over the #1 lefty specialist role. Krol hasn't been bad, and Coke hasn't been terrible vs. lefties, but neither are great. They're secondary options. Smyly has dominated lefties, again. Give him the #1 role vs. lefties then use Krol and Coke more sparingly.

Need to stop using top prospects to reload the major league team, but, I get it. Nathan isn't reliable, Joba's being over used, and that's really all we have. Al Al just cannot be trusted with a tight lead in that format. Need another 7th/8th inning option.

Plus if Max walks this may be the best chance the team has at a ring for a while.

 
The Texas Rangers traded closer Joakim Soria to the Detroit Tigers for two pitching prospects Wednesday night.

The deal is pending physicals and sends rookie right-hander Corey Knebel and right-handed minor league prospect Jake Thompson to Texas.
It seems the Tigers are getting killed for the price they paid on this one. Not sure I get it. They've traded two high prospects for an elite level reliever/closer. But they are only high prospects because the Tigers system sucks. It doesn't seem that anyone thinks either Thompson or Knebel has a ridiculous ceiling and Soria is pretty great.

And for all of the people complaining that the Tigers could have addressed their bullpen in the offseason at a lower price, that is exactly what they did. They added Nathan and Chamberlain. Nathan just happens to have finally hit the wall. So I don't get the criticism of inactivity at all.
Knebel is considered a high prospect?

Best I've read about Thompson is his ceiling being #3'ish. If that's the case, cost of doing business.

 
The Texas Rangers traded closer Joakim Soria to the Detroit Tigers for two pitching prospects Wednesday night.

The deal is pending physicals and sends rookie right-hander Corey Knebel and right-handed minor league prospect Jake Thompson to Texas.
It seems the Tigers are getting killed for the price they paid on this one. Not sure I get it. They've traded two high prospects for an elite level reliever/closer. But they are only high prospects because the Tigers system sucks. It doesn't seem that anyone thinks either Thompson or Knebel has a ridiculous ceiling and Soria is pretty great.

And for all of the people complaining that the Tigers could have addressed their bullpen in the offseason at a lower price, that is exactly what they did. They added Nathan and Chamberlain. Nathan just happens to have finally hit the wall. So I don't get the criticism of inactivity at all.
prospects are prospects, far too many of them flame out, give me the proven vet everytime epseically in detroits situation with the pen.

heck as far as Im concerned they need a SS and another bullpen arm too

 
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heck as far as Im concerned they need a SS and another bullpen arm too
Unless the cost is C level prospects I'm not on board with this idea. Farm system is too depleted as is. Rely on the starting rotation w/Smyly, Joba, Soria, and Nathan as your finisher's. Most shortstops across the AL aren't any good either, so there won't be much of a disadvantage getting to the series with that deficiency.

 
Tigers are 48-3 after seven innings this year though, so it's not nearly as bad as some want to make it out to be.
When the playoffs arrive, do you think they'll switch Smyly back to middle relief? If the starters can go 7 innings in a number of the playoff games and Smyly could bridge or finish a couple more, they should be quite fine, I would think.
Hopefully Smyly is not needed as a bridge and he can take over the #1 lefty specialist role. Krol hasn't been bad, and Coke hasn't been terrible vs. lefties, but neither are great. They're secondary options. Smyly has dominated lefties, again. Give him the #1 role vs. lefties then use Krol and Coke more sparingly.

Need to stop using top prospects to reload the major league team, but, I get it. Nathan isn't reliable, Joba's being over used, and that's really all we have. Al Al just cannot be trusted with a tight lead in that format. Need another 7th/8th inning option.

Plus if Max walks this may be the best chance the team has at a ring for a while.
Krol has been terrible. Not sure what you're seeing.

 
Tigers are 48-3 after seven innings this year though, so it's not nearly as bad as some want to make it out to be.
When the playoffs arrive, do you think they'll switch Smyly back to middle relief? If the starters can go 7 innings in a number of the playoff games and Smyly could bridge or finish a couple more, they should be quite fine, I would think.
Hopefully Smyly is not needed as a bridge and he can take over the #1 lefty specialist role. Krol hasn't been bad, and Coke hasn't been terrible vs. lefties, but neither are great. They're secondary options. Smyly has dominated lefties, again. Give him the #1 role vs. lefties then use Krol and Coke more sparingly.

Need to stop using top prospects to reload the major league team, but, I get it. Nathan isn't reliable, Joba's being over used, and that's really all we have. Al Al just cannot be trusted with a tight lead in that format. Need another 7th/8th inning option.

Plus if Max walks this may be the best chance the team has at a ring for a while.
Krol has been terrible. Not sure what you're seeing.
241/313/397 split vs. lefties, his problem is the way the pen is currently constructed he gets too many righties - who have pounded him.

 
Tigers are 48-3 after seven innings this year though, so it's not nearly as bad as some want to make it out to be.
When the playoffs arrive, do you think they'll switch Smyly back to middle relief? If the starters can go 7 innings in a number of the playoff games and Smyly could bridge or finish a couple more, they should be quite fine, I would think.
Hopefully Smyly is not needed as a bridge and he can take over the #1 lefty specialist role. Krol hasn't been bad, and Coke hasn't been terrible vs. lefties, but neither are great. They're secondary options. Smyly has dominated lefties, again. Give him the #1 role vs. lefties then use Krol and Coke more sparingly.

Need to stop using top prospects to reload the major league team, but, I get it. Nathan isn't reliable, Joba's being over used, and that's really all we have. Al Al just cannot be trusted with a tight lead in that format. Need another 7th/8th inning option.

Plus if Max walks this may be the best chance the team has at a ring for a while.
Krol has been terrible. Not sure what you're seeing.
241/313/397 split vs. lefties, his problem is the way the pen is currently constructed he gets too many righties - who have pounded him.
That's about league average for a batter and not good for a lefty on lefty. For example, this is what Smyly's splits look like against lefties: .155/.184/.245

 
That's why I said Smyly needs to be the primary lefty specialist and Kroll/Coke need to be the secondary guys. Extra innings or when playing with a big lead, maybe at a deficit too - depending on how the rest of the pen's workload has been.

 
We paid a steep price for Soria but it's the right move. You never know [how] these things will work out. The Tigers once traded a 20 y.o. 22nd rounder with a 5.68 ERA and a 1.63 WHIP in the minors for a veteran who went 9-0. We won the 1987 division title because of it. Nobody thought we were giving up a guy who would pitch for 21 years. It was the right move at the time. With 20-20 hindsight Alexander for Smolltz is the best trade Atlanta ever made.

Looking forward to tonight's matchup.

Pitching Matchup: RHP Max Scherzer (113, 3.34 ERA) vs. RHP Garrett Richards (112, 2.47 ERA)

Pitcher GS IP K/9 BB/9 HR/9 WHIP FIP SIERA fWAR
Scherzer
20
132.0
10.23
2.66
0.95
1.20
3.20
3.08
3.5
Richards
20
131.1
9.18
3.02
0.27
1.03
2.66
3.22
2.9
The Tigers arrive in Anaheim with the third-best record in Major League Baseball, sitting in the second playoff seed atop the American League's Central division. The Angels are the hottest team in the league over the past month, and have the second-best record in the game, but are currently in a wild card position, in second place in the Western division.

The pitching match-up in this game is one to watch. The Tigers will send reigning Cy Young champion, Max Scherzer, to the mound with an 113 record. The Angels have an All-Star of their own, in Garrett Richards, who is 112, having an even more impressive season thus far.

Richards made his first appearance in the All-Star game, currently ranking fourth in the American league in ERA and FIP, and sixth in fWAR among qualified starting pitchers. He also has the lowest home run ratio allowed in the league this season. Over his last three starts, he has allowed just two runs, with an ERA of 0.81 in 22 innings.

Scherzer is also on a roll, having allowed a total of seven earned runs over his last five starts. His ERA for the season is inflated from a 10-run game against the Kansas City Royals in June, but he has been solid in every outing since then.

The game also features two of the three top scoring offenses in the game, with the Angels having the top scoring offense and the Tigers third. The Tigers lead the league in batting average and team OPS, but the Angels are much better running the bases, despite Detroit's league leading stolen base numbers.

Hitter to fear: Chris Iannetta, the catcher being platooned by Mike Scoscia, is hitting .364/.385/.636/1.021 against Scherzer in 11 plate appearances.

Hitter to fail: Erick Aybar, the All-Star shortstop, is batting just .143/.143/.214/.357 (2 for 14) against Scherzer.

Outlook

The Tigers have not fared well recently against the Angels, being swept in six games in 2013, and they haven't won a season series against them since 2010. The Tigers have won two of the three games this season, and have a winning record on the road, against right-handed pitchers, against the west division, and against teams that are at or above .500.

The Angels feature a high octane offense that pressures defenses on the bases, and they're seemingly always on base. They have 30 that's THIRTY come from behind wins this season, and are 228 in their last 30 games.

If there is a weakness in Richards' game, it is that he leads the league with 17 wild pitches. As much trouble as the Tigers have had with their bullpen, the Angels have been just as bad, or worse in the late innings. They have just acquired Jason Grilli and Huston Street to stop the bleeding.
 
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MAC_32 said:
That's why I said Smyly needs to be the primary lefty specialist and Kroll/Coke need to be the secondary guys. Extra innings or when playing with a big lead, maybe at a deficit too - depending on how the rest of the pen's workload has been.
Of course Smyly needs to be the guy in the playoffs. I think that's been the expectation from the fanbase all along. That's not what I disagreed with. I disagree with the notion that Krol has been decent. He's been crap. He may turn out to be a solid reliever some day but right now he is garbage.

 
MAC_32 said:
That's why I said Smyly needs to be the primary lefty specialist and Kroll/Coke need to be the secondary guys. Extra innings or when playing with a big lead, maybe at a deficit too - depending on how the rest of the pen's workload has been.
Of course Smyly needs to be the guy in the playoffs. I think that's been the expectation from the fanbase all along. That's not what I disagreed with. I disagree with the notion that Krol has been decent. He's been crap. He may turn out to be a solid reliever some day but right now he is garbage.
Because he has been used half of the time vs. righties.

Stop using him vs. righties and he should be a lot more productive.

 
Krol was cruising right along with an ERA under 3 and a whip of 1.2 in mid June. He's been terrible since he went to the dl with a dead arm, after he gave up 4 runs vs Cleveland in mop up duty. Since June 1st, he's had just one clean outing but his real problems started about mid June.

His splits when he's behind in the count are insane, and not insane good.

 
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STARTING PITCHERS

Detroit Tigers

RHP Max Scherzer (11-3, 3.34 ERA)

Lifetime vs. Angels: 3-1, 2.16 ERA

Los Angeles Angels

RHP Garrett Richards (11-2, 2.47 ERA)

Lifetime vs. Tigers: 2-1, 2.70 ERA

STARTING LINEUPS

(Statistics vs. opposing starter in parentheses)

Detroit Tigers

1. Austin Jackson, CF (1 for 10)

2. Ian Kinsler, 2B (4 for 13)

3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B (2 for 8)

4. Victor Martinez, DH (0 for 4)

5. J.D. Martinez, LF (1 for 4)

6. Torii Hunter, RF (0 for 4)

7. Nick Castellanos, 3B

8. Alex Avila, C (0 for 4)

9. Eugenio Suarez, SS

Los Angeles Angels

1. Kole Calhoun, RF (0 for 1)

2. Mike Trout, CF (3 for 13, 1 HR)

3. Albert Pujols, 1B (1 for 10)

4. Josh Hamilton, LF (3 for 14, 1 HR)

5. Erick Aybar, SS (2 for 14)

6. Howie Kendrick, 2B (2 or 8)

7. David Freese, 3B

8. C.J. Cron, DH

9. Hank Conger, C (1 for 2)

GAME NOTES

-- Newly acquired reliever Joakim Soria has arrived in Anaheim and will be available tonight out of the bullpen if needed. He will wear No. 38.

-- J.D. Martinez is back in the lineup tonight, a day after missing a game due to an upper quad injury, which he tweaked Tuesday in Arizona.

-- With Martinez back in the lineup, Rajai Davis is the odd man out in the outfield shuffle. He will be available to pinch-hit and pinch-run if needed.

-- Today's forecast in Anaheim calls for Mostly sunny with temperatures slowly falling to near 83 degrees.

-- The Tigers have lost six straight in Anaheim in which they've been outscored 34-9. They own a league-leading 30-17 record on the road this season.

-- Tigers outfielder Austin Jackson has hit .431 with eight doubles and seven RBIs in his last 12 games. He has hit .382 with 17 runs scored, 10 doubles, two triples, one home run and nine RBIs since July 2.

 
I guess they found a way to motivate Sloppy Joe.

Nice win. Max was fired up early, battled through the 5th, Castellanos doubled home the tying and go ahead runs, Hunter ripped a couple doubles, Eugenio keeps he proving he belongs. It's almost like these guys are a good team.

 
I am not sure if I am buying into this new relief pitcher yet. Looking at his stats he has only walked 4 guys this year. How can you consistently put the tying and winning runs in scoring position by not walking a boatload of people? I just don't think this guy understands the concept of Tiger relief pitching. Perhaps he can adapt.

 
Da Guru said:
Avila 96Ks in 248 ABs..ouch! Is AJ still out there?
It's weird. He clearly has a good eye ...getting a lot of walks and going deep into pitch counts. But he just can't consistently put the bat on the ball.

And it would have been nice if Nathan got his act together two prospects ago! But if we can get good pitching from Chamberlain, Soria, and Nathan ..and with a healthy division lead ..maybe they can keep a lid on the pitch count of the starters so they don't overextend through the latter half of the season.

 
I am not sure if I am buying into this new relief pitcher yet. Looking at his stats he has only walked 4 guys this year. How can you consistently put the tying and winning runs in scoring position by not walking a boatload of people? I just don't think this guy understands the concept of Tiger relief pitching. Perhaps he can adapt.
I'm sure he was confused when Nathan needed 12 pitches to strike out the side.

 
I am not sure if I am buying into this new relief pitcher yet. Looking at his stats he has only walked 4 guys this year. How can you consistently put the tying and winning runs in scoring position by not walking a boatload of people? I just don't think this guy understands the concept of Tiger relief pitching. Perhaps he can adapt.
lol

 
Analysis: Detroit Tigers manager Brad Ausmus needs to consider sitting Alex Avila against lefties

James Schmehl

ANAHEIM, Calif. -- Detroit Tigers catcher Alex Avila is arguably one of the best defensive catchers in the American League.

Need proof? His defensive WAR (7.6) ranks tied for fifth-best in baseball. He's thrown out 34.7 percent of would-be basestealers, which ranks third-best in baseball. And his catchers ERA (4.13) ranks 11th among qualified catchers in baseball.

There's no doubt about it: Avila is one of the best defensive catchers in baseball.

But that doesn't overshadow the fact that he can't hit lefties. Pure and simple.

That's not to say Avila isn't a good hitter. Because he is. Particularly when compared to other catchers in the American League.

Despite a .219 batting average that screams less-than-mediocre, Avila owns a .328 on-base percentage, which ranks second in the league among qualified catchers, largely because he's drawn a team-high 38 walks.

But his OBP could be a lot better. Particularly if Tigers manager Brad Ausmus stopped penciling Avila in the starting lineup against left-handed starting pitchers.

In 74 at-bats against left-handed pitchers this season, Avila has struck out 31 times. In other words, he has struck out 42 percent of the time against lefties.

That proved to be the case Friday when Avila had two at-bats against Angels left-handed starter Tyler Skaggs. The result: 0 for 2 with a strikeout.

"I don't know if there is a take -- other than he's scuffled against lefties," said Ausmus when asked Friday to explain Avila's struggles against southpaws.

Ausmus was asked a follow-up question about whether he's considered the idea of sitting Avila against left-handed pitchers on a consistent basis.

"I've thought about it," Ausmus admitted. "Skaggs was actually a lefty where lefties hit better than righties, so I thought that might help out in regards to Alex."

It didn't. Despite reverse splits that indicate Skaggs has more difficulty against left-handed hitters (.300) than righties (.251), Avila still struggled.

"You try to do what you can as far as learning from the mistakes you make, whether it's at the plate or behind the plate," Avila said after the Tigers' 2-1 loss Friday. "So you can figure out how to do a better job the next day."

Avila is fully aware of his struggles against lefties. And he is working diligently to improve. But while he's learning on the job, valuable runs are being left off the board. Bottom line: It's time for Ausmus to reconsider how he should use Avila.

The problem? Backup catcher Bryan Holaday isn't any better against lefties than Avila. In 47 at-bats against southpaws, Holaday has hit .191 with 11 strikeouts.

That said, there are a couple alternatives in the minors. Catching prospect James McCann is an option. He's hit .359 off southpaws in Triple-A Toledo this year.

Ramon Cabrera, a switch-hitter in Double-A Erie, is another option, albeit a worse one. He's batted .305 against lefties, too. Would the Tigers consider calling up either one?

Possibly. But both are young, and both won't match the defense that Avila brings to the table. And that's a valuable skill set that neither Ausmus or Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski may be willing to give up.

"People forget that, from a catching perspective, it's hard to find a guy that's a .300-type hitter," Dombrowski said earlier this week, "but also plays good defense, which he's done very well for us."

That's absolutely true. There's no discounting what Avila has done behind the plate. But the Tigers can no longer ignore what Avila has failed to do at the plate.

It's time to sit him against lefties.

 
I doubt much gets done right now with Holaday not being much better vs lefties but when the September callups start maybe we'll see a little of James McCann?

 
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I doubt much gets done right now with Holaday not being much better vs lefties but when the September callups start maybe we'll see a little of James McCann?
This is definitely what we are going to see next year. McCann's calling card is his defense, but he does have some value as a platoon guy with a decent history vs lefties.

I really don't get the Avila hate from Tigers fans, he has been around .350 OBP (his career average) until the last few weeks and he is very good behind the plate. There aren't a whole lot of good hitting catchers in baseball, Avila gives you on base with power surges. He takes way too many called third strikes, and as mentioned he's awful vs lefties, but he's a guy that will come up with big hits. Tigers could do worse. :shrug:

 
I know it's not so simple, but I wish Avila would just take a different approach against lefties ...maybe just a short, easy swing to make contact and spray a few singles around. Hell, if you've got runners on base, just bunt them over.

 
Red Bulls 1, Arsenal 0, MotM Henry. Good times.

STARTING PITCHERS

Detroit Tigers

RHP Justin Verlander (9-8, 4.84 ERA)

Lifetime vs. Angels: 4-5, 4.08 ERA

Los Angeles Angels

RHP Matt Shoemaker (7-3, 4.54 ERA)

Lifetime vs. Tigers: No appearances

STARTING LINEUPS

(Statistics vs. opposing starter in parentheses)

Detroit Tigers

1. Austin Jackson, CF

2. Ian Kinsler, 2B

3. Miguel Cabrera, 1B

4. Victor Martinez, DH

5. J.D. Martinez, LF

6. Torii Hunter, RF

7. Nick Castellanos, 3B

8. Alex Avila, C

9. Eugenio Suarez, SS

Los Angeles Angels

1. Kole Calhoun, RF

2. Mike Trout, CF (1 for 3, 1 HR)

3. Albert Pujols, 1B (5 for 8)

4. Erick Aybar, SS (9 for 27)

5. Howie Kendrick, 2B (5 for 21)

6. Efren Navarro, LF

7. C.J. Cron, DH

8. Chris Iannetta, C (1 for 5)

9. John McDonald, 3B (1 for 5)

GAME NOTES

-- For the second straight game, Rajai Davis has been relegated to bench duties. He'll take a seat as J.D. Martinez, who returned to the lineup Friday after a two-game absence, will get the start in left field.

-- Prior to today's game, the Angels recalled outfielder J.B. Shuck and optioned reliever Fernando Salas to Triple-A. The move was made after outfielder Josh Hamilton exited Friday's game with soreness in his left knee. His status is unclear.

-- Justin Verlander tossed 6 2/3 innings in his start Monday in Arizona, allowing three runs on six hits with three walks and five strikeouts. It marked only the second time in four starts this month he's allowed up fewer than four runs.

-- The Tigers own baseball's best record on the road (31-18), but have dropped seven of their last eight at Angel Stadium spanning two seasons. Verlander is 2-2 with a 6.75 ERA in five career starts in Anaheim.

-- Detroit's pitchers have combined to strike out 27 batters in the first two games of this, striking out 14 in the series opener on Thursday night and striking out 13 batters on Friday night.

-- Torii Hunter will enter tonight's game riding a seven-game hitting streak and is batting .308 (8 for 26) with three doubles, two home runs and eight RBIs during the streak.

-- Today's forecast in Anaheim calls for partly cloudy skies with temperatures steady or falling to near 80 degrees.

 
Holaday is essentially a waste of a roster space. More I think about it, McCann should be brought up and play him vs lefties. The scouting on him says he can handle a staff and his defensive skills are undeniable. Avila can't hit lefties, neither can Holaday. Make it so.

 

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