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Said it once and I'll be crying for it all offseason. Sign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller.

After that I think retain VMart, let Torri and Rajai go. Go find a legit CF and another reliever. I think they should keep Joba, Soria, Jim Johnson and give Hanrahan another shot despite this postseason. I know that sounds crazy but I think at this point it's time to throw #### at the wall and see what sticks. If they do target Miller, I'll be looking forward to never seeing Phil Coke again.

How about Luke Gregerson to pitch the 8th? They definitely need a lefty specialist. Tom Gorzellany?

Maybe getting a utility guy like Bomafacio would be a good move.

Lots of questions for this team in the offseason. They need a bullpen overhaul.

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Went to Detroit over the weekend, beautiful park you guys have there. We moved around a bit and the site lines are pretty great all the way around. Coming from Fenway anything is better but yours were

Mike Illitch. RIP.  Great, great owner. 

May seem like a homer or shtick or whatever, but that looked like a future Ace playing with a really bad  team around him.   I know Goodrum is a fill at SS for 2020, but he probably cost Mize a

Said it once and I'll be crying for it all offseason. Sign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller.

After that I think retain VMart, let Torri and Rajai go. Go find a legit CF and another reliever. I think they should keep Joba, Soria, Jim Johnson and give Hanrahan another shot despite this postseason. I know that sounds crazy but I think at this point it's time to throw #### at the wall and see what sticks. If they do target Miller, I'll be looking forward to never seeing Phil Coke again.

I agree with most of this. Joba is going to get a decent contract actually, and Soria will cost $7 million so I don't think both will be back. I think you have to keep Soria based on track record though. Miller would be awesome but everyone is going to want him and he's going to get a 3/20 something contract. It would be nice if they would sign more Chamberlain types, I mean this is how teams like the Orioles and A's do it every year.

Torii is gone, Rajai is on a two year deal so he's back, and they need to get a corner OFer in free agency regardless of what VMart does. Max is almost certainly gone so they'll probably need to add a vet arm for the back of the rotation also. I think there needs to be quite a bit of turnover here. Miggy, JD, Avila, Kinsler, and Big Nick is a very good core but everything else can be moved around.

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:kicksrock: was hoping to go to a playoff game this next weekend.

I had game 1 LCS tickets, it says it will take 4-6 weeks from the last Tiger game to receive a refund. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

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Said it once and I'll be crying for it all offseason. Sign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller.

After that I think retain VMart, let Torri and Rajai go. Go find a legit CF and another reliever. I think they should keep Joba, Soria, Jim Johnson and give Hanrahan another shot despite this postseason. I know that sounds crazy but I think at this point it's time to throw #### at the wall and see what sticks. If they do target Miller, I'll be looking forward to never seeing Phil Coke again.

I agree with most of this. Joba is going to get a decent contract actually, and Soria will cost $7 million so I don't think both will be back. I think you have to keep Soria based on track record though. Miller would be awesome but everyone is going to want him and he's going to get a 3/20 something contract. It would be nice if they would sign more Chamberlain types, I mean this is how teams like the Orioles and A's do it every year.

Torii is gone, Rajai is on a two year deal so he's back, and they need to get a corner OFer in free agency regardless of what VMart does. Max is almost certainly gone so they'll probably need to add a vet arm for the back of the rotation also. I think there needs to be quite a bit of turnover here. Miggy, JD, Avila, Kinsler, and Big Nick is a very good core but everything else can be moved around.

Do you really go into next year counting on Avila? That brain's a bit scattered and it's been going on for quite a while now.

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No shame for the Tigers, good season, they just ran into a hot team in the playoffs. The Tigers will be back next year, Price will be the new Max, and Ray will be more then good.

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Said it once and I'll be crying for it all offseason. Sign Nelson Cruz and Andrew Miller.

After that I think retain VMart, let Torri and Rajai go. Go find a legit CF and another reliever. I think they should keep Joba, Soria, Jim Johnson and give Hanrahan another shot despite this postseason. I know that sounds crazy but I think at this point it's time to throw #### at the wall and see what sticks. If they do target Miller, I'll be looking forward to never seeing Phil Coke again.

I agree with most of this. Joba is going to get a decent contract actually, and Soria will cost $7 million so I don't think both will be back. I think you have to keep Soria based on track record though. Miller would be awesome but everyone is going to want him and he's going to get a 3/20 something contract. It would be nice if they would sign more Chamberlain types, I mean this is how teams like the Orioles and A's do it every year.

Torii is gone, Rajai is on a two year deal so he's back, and they need to get a corner OFer in free agency regardless of what VMart does. Max is almost certainly gone so they'll probably need to add a vet arm for the back of the rotation also. I think there needs to be quite a bit of turnover here. Miggy, JD, Avila, Kinsler, and Big Nick is a very good core but everything else can be moved around.

Do you really go into next year counting on Avila? That brain's a bit scattered and it's been going on for quite a while now.

i have no idea what the free agent market looks like for catchers, but, no.
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Plus I think McCann can handle 50-60 games as a platoon guy next year. He is a great defensive catcher and he really handles left-handed pitching, so it's actually a perfect scenario. 40 or so games as a true platoon, then maybe another 15-20 based on Avila's health or favorable match-ups and rest schedule.

But if Avila's health is an issue, then they'll absolutely be forced to do something. You would think he could get a special mask or something, but then again he got concussed from being swiped by a glove in the face.

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

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So I forgot about Andy Dirks.

C Avila/McCann

1B Miggy

2B Kinsler

3B Big Nick

SS Iglesias

LF Dirks/Davis

CF ????????

RF JD

MIF Suarez

DH ????????

SP1 Price

SP2 Verlander

SP3 Sanchez

SP4 Porcello

SP5 ???????

Bullpen: Soria, Nathan, Al Al, Rondon and maybe Krol. Need a lefty and at least one of those RH arms below.

They need a CF and a DH, VMART is going to cost a pretty penny but I can see them bringing him back. Porcello will be in his last year and as a Boras client will likely not sign an extension. Hunter, Coke, and Max are gone. I would think Chamberlain will get a two year deal somewhere, I think you can find a similar arm but he certainly was great value this year.

Free agent OFers:

Colby Rasmus

Nelson Cruz (34 and roided up, pass)

Melky Cabrera (I like this option)

Franklin Gutierrez (guy can flat out play D)

Aoki

Michael Cuddyer

Alex Rios (if he's not kept by Texas)

There are a lot of #5 starting pitcher options out there, Volquez, Haren, Colby Lewis, Kyle Kendrick, etc. Lots of good options.

Relievers, lots of them. I highlighted the guys I like below but there are some good arms in that group to pitch the 7th and 8th innings. I'd say they need to bring in two arms minumum and that's with Soria coming back.

Closers

Jason Grilli (38)
LaTroy Hawkins (42) – $2.25MM club option with a $250K buyout
Casey Janssen (33)
David Robertson (30)
Francisco Rodriguez (33)
Sergio Romo (32)
Rafael Soriano (35) – $14MM vesting/club option
Huston Street (31) – $7MM club option
Koji Uehara (40)

Right-Handed Relievers

Mike Adams (36) – $6MM club option
Matt Albers (32) – $3MM club option with $200K buyout
Burke Badenhop (32)
Andrew Bailey (31)
Ronald Belisario (32)
Matt Belisle (34)
Heath Bell (37)
Jared Burton (34) – $3.6MM club option with a $200K buyout
Joba Chamberlain (29)
Jesse Crain (34)

Kyle Farnsworth (39)
Jason Frasor (38)
Kyuji Fujikawa (34) – $5.5MM club/vesting option with a $500K buyout
Luke Gregerson (31)
Matt Guerrier (36)
Luke Hochevar (31)
Jim Johnson (32)
Matt Lindstrom (35)
Daisuke Matsuzaka (34)
Dustin McGowan (32) – $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
Jason Motte (33)
Pat Neshek (34)

Darren O’Day (32) – $4.25MM club option with a $400K buyout
Juan Carlos Oviedo (33)
Joel Peralta (39) – $2.5MM club option
Chris Perez (29)
J.J. Putz (38)
Sergio Santos (31) – $6MM club option with a $750K buyout
Joakim Soria (30) – $7MM club option with a $500K buyout
Kevin Slowey (31)
Jose Veras (34)
Brian Wilson (33) – $9MM player option
Jamey Wright (40)

Left-Handed Relievers

Joe Beimel (38)
Craig Breslow (34) – $4MM club option with a $100K buyout
Sean Burnett (32) – $4.5MM club/vesting option with a $500K buyout
Phil Coke (32)
Neal Cotts (35)
Scott Downs (39)
Zach Duke (32)
Tom Gorzelanny (32)
Andrew Miller (30)
Franklin Morales (29)
Joe Thatcher (33)

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

What was Fisters WAR today for the Nats?? When it counted Davis blooped a ball to second base and Fister threw 7 shutout innings in a elimination game on the road. So #### your WAR.

Relax....Like your FA updates

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Really hard to throw that much money at another 30-year-old pitcher.

But again, it's not my money. I would say VMART and an OFer are more important for the team though for 2015. Beyond next year the franchise could go a lot of different directions without Scherzer on the payroll, that's why I don't think he's coming back. Cubs or Dodgers is my guess, hopefully he doesn't go to the AL East.

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Really hard to throw that much money at another 30-year-old pitcher.

But again, it's not my money. I would say VMART and an OFer are more important for the team though for 2015. Beyond next year the franchise could go a lot of different directions without Scherzer on the payroll, that's why I don't think he's coming back. Cubs or Dodgers is my guess, hopefully he doesn't go to the AL East.

If Max turned down 6-144 what exactly is he looking for? 6-160, 7-175? More? I think V-Mart will be back and that will get done sooner than later. Yankees are said to be wanting Headley back to DH A-Rod full time. So that takes away one team with cash interested in V-Mart.

Miller would be a nice addition but he has pitched himself into a nice contract and should draw quite a bit of interest. Hunter most likely will be gone and Dirks back. Still will need a CF.

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In the NFL, there's definitely a halo effect with free agents whose teams make the Super Bowl. After the Ravens won in 2012, I couldn't believe the stupid money people offered DE Paul Kruger and LB Dannell Ellerbee - and those deals have turned out to be relatively stupid.

I wonder if there's something similar in baseball. All I'm hearing in Baltimore right now is how people are going to be lining up to pay Miller, along with JJ Hardy and Nelson Cruz. Miller in particular seems to be pitching his way to a huge payday - and I wouldn't call that stupid. He seems like he's finally put it all together. It will be interesting if someone gives him closer money to be a set-up guy, and even if he would be willing to accept any role other than closer at this point. I could see him returning to Detroit, the team that drafted him, as a very good fit.

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In the NFL, there's definitely a halo effect with free agents whose teams make the Super Bowl. After the Ravens won in 2012, I couldn't believe the stupid money people offered DE Paul Kruger and LB Dannell Ellerbee - and those deals have turned out to be relatively stupid.

I wonder if there's something similar in baseball. All I'm hearing in Baltimore right now is how people are going to be lining up to pay Miller, along with JJ Hardy and Nelson Cruz. Miller in particular seems to be pitching his way to a huge payday - and I wouldn't call that stupid. He seems like he's finally put it all together. It will be interesting if someone gives him closer money to be a set-up guy, and even if he would be willing to accept any role other than closer at this point. I could see him returning to Detroit, the team that drafted him, as a very good fit.

Nelson Cruz seems made for Camden Yards. Would think the O`s will make a good effort to retain him. Miller will draw quite a bit of interest. With JJ Hardy there are just not many shortstops so the Yankees may come calling to replace Jeter. Drew proved he is not the answer.

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So I forgot about Andy Dirks.

C Avila/McCann

1B Miggy

2B Kinsler

3B Big Nick

SS Iglesias

LF Dirks/Davis

CF ????????

RF JD

MIF Suarez

DH ????????

SP1 Price

SP2 Verlander

SP3 Sanchez

SP4 Porcello

SP5 ???????

Bullpen: Soria, Nathan, Al Al, Rondon and maybe Krol. Need a lefty and at least one of those RH arms below.

They need a CF and a DH, VMART is going to cost a pretty penny but I can see them bringing him back. Porcello will be in his last year and as a Boras client will likely not sign an extension. Hunter, Coke, and Max are gone. I would think Chamberlain will get a two year deal somewhere, I think you can find a similar arm but he certainly was great value this year.

Free agent OFers:

Colby Rasmus

Nelson Cruz (34 and roided up, pass)

Melky Cabrera (I like this option)

Franklin Gutierrez (guy can flat out play D)

Aoki

Michael Cuddyer

Alex Rios (if he's not kept by Texas)

There are a lot of #5 starting pitcher options out there, Volquez, Haren, Colby Lewis, Kyle Kendrick, etc. Lots of good options.

Relievers, lots of them. I highlighted the guys I like below but there are some good arms in that group to pitch the 7th and 8th innings. I'd say they need to bring in two arms minumum and that's with Soria coming back.

Closers

Jason Grilli (38)

LaTroy Hawkins (42) – $2.25MM club option with a $250K buyout

Casey Janssen (33)

David Robertson (30)

Francisco Rodriguez (33)

Sergio Romo (32)

Rafael Soriano (35) – $14MM vesting/club option

Huston Street (31) – $7MM club option

Koji Uehara (40)

Right-Handed Relievers

Mike Adams (36) – $6MM club option

Matt Albers (32) – $3MM club option with $200K buyout

Burke Badenhop (32)

Andrew Bailey (31)

Ronald Belisario (32)

Matt Belisle (34)

Heath Bell (37)

Jared Burton (34) – $3.6MM club option with a $200K buyout

Joba Chamberlain (29)

Jesse Crain (34)

Kyle Farnsworth (39)

Jason Frasor (38)

Kyuji Fujikawa (34) – $5.5MM club/vesting option with a $500K buyout

Luke Gregerson (31)

Matt Guerrier (36)

Luke Hochevar (31)

Jim Johnson (32)

Matt Lindstrom (35)

Daisuke Matsuzaka (34)

Dustin McGowan (32) – $4MM club option with a $500K buyout

Jason Motte (33)

Pat Neshek (34)

Darren O’Day (32) – $4.25MM club option with a $400K buyout

Juan Carlos Oviedo (33)

Joel Peralta (39) – $2.5MM club option

Chris Perez (29)

J.J. Putz (38)

Sergio Santos (31) – $6MM club option with a $750K buyout

Joakim Soria (30) – $7MM club option with a $500K buyout

Kevin Slowey (31)

Jose Veras (34)

Brian Wilson (33) – $9MM player option

Jamey Wright (40)

Left-Handed Relievers

Joe Beimel (38)

Craig Breslow (34) – $4MM club option with a $100K buyout

Sean Burnett (32) – $4.5MM club/vesting option with a $500K buyout

Phil Coke (32)

Neal Cotts (35)

Scott Downs (39)

Zach Duke (32)

Tom Gorzelanny (32)

Andrew Miller (30)

Franklin Morales (29)

Joe Thatcher (33)

Great post DD. I completely agree.

Bring back Victor and let him play 1st more. Find someone to play CF. Someone who can actually play the position and knows how to take a route. Platoon Dirks and Davis like they planned to this year. Hope like hell JD can turn this new look into a career. Give Nick another year at the hot corner. Hope Iglesias is healed enough to play 120 at short. Don't try to overreach on starting pitching and just find someone to hold down the five spot. Whether it's internal or not doesn't really matter. Just don't go chasing another big-time pitcher and for God's sake don't overpay for Max.

And overhaul the freakin bullpen. What a pile of garbage. How can teams trot out 8 different no-name pitchers to form a lights out bullpen while the Tigers go get the hot names year after year who combine to take a steaming dump on the mound? Every year we go to the playoffs with a big red flag at bullpen and at most 1 or 2 guys people feel good about.

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

oh god you clowns n your WAR

You act like it's good for absolutely nothing. Say it again.

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

oh god you clowns n your WAR

You act like it's good for absolutely nothing. Say it again.

WAR aint nothing but a heartbreaker...

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

oh god you clowns n your WAR

You act like it's good for absolutely nothing. Say it again.

WAR aint nothing but a heartbreaker...

Who needs WAR when you have grit.

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In the NFL, there's definitely a halo effect with free agents whose teams make the Super Bowl. After the Ravens won in 2012, I couldn't believe the stupid money people offered DE Paul Kruger and LB Dannell Ellerbee - and those deals have turned out to be relatively stupid.

I wonder if there's something similar in baseball. All I'm hearing in Baltimore right now is how people are going to be lining up to pay Miller, along with JJ Hardy and Nelson Cruz. Miller in particular seems to be pitching his way to a huge payday - and I wouldn't call that stupid. He seems like he's finally put it all together. It will be interesting if someone gives him closer money to be a set-up guy, and even if he would be willing to accept any role other than closer at this point. I could see him returning to Detroit, the team that drafted him, as a very good fit.

No one is going to be lining up to pay JJ Hardy.

Cruz will get some bread, but he's getting older and the history of performance enhancers makes it a dicey franchise decision.

Miller won't cost a ton unless someone wants him to close, otherwise he'll get a 3/$20m deal somewhere I'd think. Maybe a little more, but not a lot more IMO.

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Great clutch pitching by Doug Fister today to keep the Nats alive. 17-6 on the season.

1.0 WAR, not even as good as Rajai Davis.

Keep up the dumb shtick though. :thumbup:

oh god you clowns n your WAR

You act like it's good for absolutely nothing. Say it again.

WAR aint nothing but a heartbreaker...

Who needs WAR when you have grit.

GRIT could be a new saber metric tool to evaluate players.

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

As much as I agree with most of this, no Victor might leave a giant hole in the lineup and one less LH bat than the few they already have. I'd alternate him & Cabrera at DH/1st base to keep that middle of the order intact as long as possible.

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

As much as I agree with most of this, no Victor might leave a giant hole in the lineup and one less LH bat than the few they already have. I'd alternate him & Cabrera at DH/1st base to keep that middle of the order intact as long as possible.

Cuddy turns 36 before the season starts and his WAR averaged only around 1.2 for his 3 years playing in Colorado. For the right price I would love him to replace Don Kelly but he made 10.5 last year. This has to have been Kellys last season...right??

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

V-Mart is going to command a big contract, especially if he wins or is runner up to the MVP. I think the tigers sign Hunter to DH, Torry can still hit, just not play the OF, I bet Hunter can figure out first base if he has to. Both are old, but a long term big dollar deal to V-Mart at 36 seems like a risk, and yes Hunter is about 39, but you get the discount with Torry.

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

V-Mart is going to command a big contract, especially if he wins or is runner up to the MVP. I think the tigers sign Hunter to DH, Torry can still hit, just not play the OF, I bet Hunter can figure out first base if he has to. Both are old, but a long term big dollar deal to V-Mart at 36 seems like a risk, and yes Hunter is about 39, but you get the discount with Torry.

I have had enough of Hunter. Time to move on. V-Mart is going to get 3 years from some AL team.

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I really hope we don't go the big ticket route. Lack of depth continues to be an issue year after year. As much as it'd hurt to see Victor DH'ing elsewhere I'd rather have a more cost effective Cuddyer (that can give more days off to guys in the field) and sprinkle the saved $ elsewhere - another catcher (Avila's concussion issues, McCann isn't ready), a CF that can play defense (I like the call on Gut), a real bat off the bench (Morse?) that can DH when Cuddy plays in the field, and obviously a revamped bullpen.

As much as I agree with most of this, no Victor might leave a giant hole in the lineup and one less LH bat than the few they already have. I'd alternate him & Cabrera at DH/1st base to keep that middle of the order intact as long as possible.

Cuddy turns 36 before the season starts and his WAR averaged only around 1.2 for his 3 years playing in Colorado. For the right price I would love him to replace Don Kelly but he made 10.5 last year. This has to have been Kellys last season...right??

Cuddy's problem this year was staying healthy, masking him as a primary DH in theory should help fix that problem. His WAR would be higher if he didn't play the field too. Given his age and inability to stay on the field this year I'd be very surprised if he commands much on the open market. He isn't like most Colorado bats either, he hits away from there too. Expecting him to do what Victor did this year would be crazy, but so would expecting Victor to repeat it, and we'd have to pay him like he will.

Leroy's right in that we would need to find another lefty bat if we brought in someone like him or Morse though.

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Hunter is considering retirement. That is or course unless he gets some offers. I highly doubt he will get anything close to the 12-13 he made here the last two seasons.

I saw that Aoki is a UFA and only made 1.4 last season. We could use a slap hitting Oriental with good speed at the top of the lineup.

I'd be more than alright with him, but he will cost a lot more than $1.4 this offseason, especially if he has a strong CS/WS.

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Hunter is considering retirement. That is or course unless he gets some offers. I highly doubt he will get anything close to the 12-13 he made here the last two seasons.

I saw that Aoki is a UFA and only made 1.4 last season. We could use a slap hitting Oriental with good speed at the top of the lineup.

I'd be more than alright with him, but he will cost a lot more than $1.4 this offseason, especially if he has a strong CS/WS.

30 million in salary coming off the books with Max and Hunter gone. Would have been great to have a team option on Nathan.

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Hunter is considering retirement. That is or course unless he gets some offers. I highly doubt he will get anything close to the 12-13 he made here the last two seasons.

I saw that Aoki is a UFA and only made 1.4 last season. We could use a slap hitting Oriental with good speed at the top of the lineup.

I'd be more than alright with him, but he will cost a lot more than $1.4 this offseason, especially if he has a strong CS/WS.

30 million in salary coming off the books with Max and Hunter gone. Would have been great to have a team option on Nathan.

Oh, yeah. It's a great opportunity to rebuild our depth. A lot of holes need filled though. Aoki at Seth Smith like prices? Sign me up. I think he gets more though. Do you want to give more than $5 per to a 32 year old slap hitter with good obp skills? Very easily could end up like the Indians have with Bourn.

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Listened to Dombrowski`s year end presser. Said Ausmus did a great job and will only get better next year. :confused: Was asked if he regretted trading Doug Fister and he said no that starting pitching was not the teams problem, then went on to say the Tigers were forced to trade for Price because Verlander is not the same Verlander. (If so why start him in game 2 then?) Joe Nathan will again start the season as closer with a shorter leash.

Said the Tigers will have a high payroll again next season looking to add 2 OFs one who is a CF. A left handed bat and of course bullpen help.

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Listened to Dombrowski`s year end presser. Said Ausmus did a great job and will only get better next year. :confused: Was asked if he regretted trading Doug Fister and he said no that starting pitching was not the teams problem, then went on to say the Tigers were forced to trade for Price because Verlander is not the same Verlander. (If so why start him in game 2 then?) Joe Nathan will again start the season as closer with a shorter leash.

Said the Tigers will have a high payroll again next season looking to add 2 OFs one who is a CF. A left handed bat and of course bullpen help.

He was a rookie manager, safe to assume he gets better.

How hard a concept is that to understand? oof

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Listened to Dombrowski`s year end presser. Said Ausmus did a great job and will only get better next year. :confused: Was asked if he regretted trading Doug Fister and he said no that starting pitching was not the teams problem, then went on to say the Tigers were forced to trade for Price because Verlander is not the same Verlander. (If so why start him in game 2 then?) Joe Nathan will again start the season as closer with a shorter leash.

Said the Tigers will have a high payroll again next season looking to add 2 OFs one who is a CF. A left handed bat and of course bullpen help.

He was a rookie manager, safe to assume he gets better.

How hard a concept is that to understand? oof

Understand that he can only get better. The "great" statement is what I don`t understand. Thought Ausmus did an average job at best and mishandled the bullpen and cost the team at least one more home playoff game. For a team in a "win now" we had a manager that was getting on the job training.

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Listened to Dombrowski`s year end presser. Said Ausmus did a great job and will only get better next year. :confused: Was asked if he regretted trading Doug Fister and he said no that starting pitching was not the teams problem, then went on to say the Tigers were forced to trade for Price because Verlander is not the same Verlander. (If so why start him in game 2 then?) Joe Nathan will again start the season as closer with a shorter leash.

Said the Tigers will have a high payroll again next season looking to add 2 OFs one who is a CF. A left handed bat and of course bullpen help.

He was a rookie manager, safe to assume he gets better.

How hard a concept is that to understand? oof

Understand that he can only get better. The "great" statement is what I don`t understand. Thought Ausmus did an average job at best and mishandled the bullpen and cost the team at least one more home playoff game. For a team in a "win now" we had a manager that was getting on the job training.

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