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Thanks for the reply. I LOVE data (actuary by training). VERY interested in data. Which data specifically are you referring to that compares 60 years ago with today? Asking to learn, not to be annoying.
The Civil Rights Act of 1964? Seems like a good place to start if you're being serious.
I'm totally serious. How do you think the Civil Rights act of 1964 changed the way that police interact with all citizens? (if you read John123's post, he says broad changes have been made to policing that impact everyone, not just African-Americans)
I'm not looking for data that compares 60 years ago to today. Don't need to. I can simply look at the data from today and say that's pretty good. If it was that good 60 years ago we probably wouldn't have changed anything. I assume things were worse but it's really not relevant to me. I know how things are today, and they're not as portrayed by the media and inflamed by politicians.
There wss no longer discrimation codified in local laws that was constitutional. Private service or accommodations were no longer in the realm of freedom of association. Businesses and hotels had to serve blacks.
Appreciate the civil discussion. Whether it comes through or not, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts. Like you, I'm willing to bet that rules/laws have changed in the past 60+ years. I have no idea whether or not those things have been a positive for African American/police interactions (or more broadly for police-citizen interactions). It's not something I've studied carefully, but if others have, I hope to learn from them.
Settle down, Chris Cuomo, you ain’t black. In case you havent been told a billion times, you don’t know and will never know what it is like to be black.
Also, get rid of nitpicky laws that give police an excuse to harass people. Recent examples include things like hanging air fresheners from your rearview mirror, riding a bicycle without a license, or walking around outdoors without a mask. The government has no business making any of these things law enforcement issues.
Seems like a good litmus test. Unfortunately, lots of people are interested in legislating their own version of morality.
I felt bad for the other guy without the mic. He was storming around yelling at the top of his lungs and the guy with the mic kept interrupting him.
She was shot while attempting to murder another child. The cop who shot her should be commended.
100%.
Insanity.
I wouldn't go that far, but yeah that statement was terrible and inexcusable. This is a situation where you hope the president can be one of the adults in the room, and instead he went all Trump.
I can't help but read the statement as seizing on a tragedy to keep the fires stoked to further an agenda. It's gross.
Yes, that's the statement. I can't help but see it as simply using this tragedy to further their agenda. They're simply labeling this is more police violence against the African American community. There is plenty of that to go around without pretending it's present when it isn't. I suppose more details could surface which might make me rethink whether this is in fact police violence against the African American community, but with what's currently known I don't understand how the White House (or anyone else) could see it that way.
One of my favorite things to watch on LA TV is the car chases and you want to take that away?
I think so because I don't think the goal for many of them has anything to do with helping black people or protecting black lives, more it has to do with the dissolution of our system. These incidents are merely the vehicle for that end goal.
I alluded to that upthread. Why is the mother on the scene while her child lives in foster care? What's up with that situation? It might tell us something about the severity of the fight, so it could be relevant here.
Absolutely in agreement and I've been arguing that since the first wave of protests last year. tim will say it's not important that socialists and queer (and they use that term, not me) theorists that preach destruction of the system organize the protests, but I think that the ideological fruit of the crowd doesn't fall too far from its organizers' underpinnings, so in my opinion, there's that to consider. They preach destruction of the system. Of course they want more looting and rioting on demand and on call. And the media loves it so they can beam the images back home.
When the organizers have an end goal in mind, why is anyone surprised when the actions of said group lead towards that end? Of course the narrative is going to be that to sew more division. There's no doubt in my mind Chauvin was guilty of a crime. But when it comes to Potter, or especially this situation in Columbus, these things are just not the same. It's helping the goal of those who want the system to collapse to portray them as similar though, so that is what is being done. It's time we were honest with ourselves about it and what the true motives of this are.
LeBron James tweeted a picture of the guy saying "You're next. #Accountability"
There's not a better example of why we shouldn't look up to athletes in these type things. They are tremendous athletes with tremendous gifts, but they aren't in the spot they are because of their thoughts or intellectual abilities. I don't mean to single Lebron out in that, that goes for any athlete, celebrity, actor, etc. Why we give weight to their beliefs over any other person's is an indictment on our society as a whole.
I'm guessing he hasn't looked at the video. But even if he has, he may feel pressure to take this stance.
Of course not. If it did, magnitudes more black people could be helped in other ways rather than spending time on this. That's not to excuse what happened to George Floyd, but a black person is so many more times likely to be killed in a car accident than an interaction with a police officer, whether justifiable or due to as in the Floyd case a criminal police act. The fact that this issue is tearing our country apart shows how easily our eyes get off the ball that we are going down this path over a statistically small issue.
Don Lemon REALLY went at Terry Crews for saying what you're saying. He said BLM was about police brutality against black people.
So many important issues to talk about here, yet the one Narrative that dominates the news is "white cop shoots black girl". We are never going to improve as a country.
You have said "Look at the data" in 2 back-to-back posts. Did you already post links to it? I am highly skeptical of your claims, but I'm open to looking at the data you are talking about.
What claims? I haven't even specified any specific data. My only claim is that the likelihood of a black person having a bad interaction with police is very very low, just as it is for other races, especially when they act appropriately. Is that what you dispute?
The first quoted post is the claim that stood out the most. I'd like to see the data you said is "out there" that shows "black people are statistically extremely unlikely to have a bad experience if they act apporpriately".
Before we can do that we'd have to define "bad experience" wouldn't we? And that's a very subjective term. I'll admit that. So, we should really be talking about the likelihood of a black person being killed by a cop. Because that's what all the rioting and BLM is about, right? So, are you saying that a black person who acts appropriately isn't likely to live when interacting with a police officer?
