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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (19 Viewers)
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JackReacher
Footballguy
Denver724
Footballguy
coachoneill
Footballguy
Second big trade of 2019 offseason. In the early stages of a tear it down to the studs level rebuild. 10 team superflex PPR league.
I sent:
Travis Kelce, Tom Brady, Jordan Howard
I got:
1.4, DJ Moore, Rashaad Penny, 2020 2nd (likely late)
I sent:
Travis Kelce, Tom Brady, Jordan Howard
I got:
1.4, DJ Moore, Rashaad Penny, 2020 2nd (likely late)
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seems like you sold very lightcoachoneill said:
coachoneill
Footballguy
That's interesting because in our league group chat the consensus was the exact opposite. Universal praise for my side and derision for my trade partner. Slightly smaller TE market among the win now teams as the league winner last year has Kittle and Howard, 4th place has Ertz. Coupled with me being one of three very defined rebuilders and less options than usual. Appreciate the feedback.
coachoneill
Footballguy
I also feel a little bit of context is required to understand from trade partner's perspective. His QB3 before this trade was Ryan Tannehill. He has Wilson and Goff as his likely starters but Brady is an upgrade there, even if he is ancient. His tight ends were the exhumed corpses of Kyle Rudolph and Jimmy Graham. Going from those guys to arguably the favorite for TE1 is self evident. Running back group was also very dicey, so absent the Eagles drafting someone high this week, Howard will be his RB2. I still prefer my side in a vacuum but when you add in the positional need and win now imperative combined help to get this done.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I wonder how the league would feel if that trade was for OBJ or JuJu instead of Kelce. Because even though I know many of us as individuals will disagree with Kelce being worth that much, that is who his ADP lies between in FFPC startup drafts.
coachoneill
Footballguy
I'm not familiar with FFPC formatting. Is there some sort of TE premium there? Because I shopped Kelce extensively and I got the sense I wouldn't have sniffed Juju or Beckham even adding in a significant piece with Kelce.
I do disagree that Kelce should be worth that much in FFPC but that's also TE premium which this league is not.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Oops for some reason I thought I had read FFPC in the post but I clearly mixed that up from somewhere else.
Carry-on then. Way too much for Kelce especially in non-TE premium.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yes FFPC is TE premium and my mistake, I mixed it up with an FFPC trade I was discussing on another forum.
You tore out your studs, and took it down to the foundation. In reality you hope and pray that Moore pans out to be a consistent WR1 and you hit the ####### jackpot on that 1.4 pick.coachoneill said:
You gave up a consensus top-2 TE and a RB who admittedly doesn't have much trade value at the moment but is in a favorable situation (barring the results of this week's NFL draft). Brady is a tremendous 2nd QB for superflex, and should likely be a borderline QB1 himself in a 10-team league. Next to zero trade value due to age, though.
I think based on what you gave up, that 2020 2nd is going to be late because the team you got it from is win-now.
coachoneill
Footballguy
That is a pretty good summation. I hadn't been able to win with a core of AB, Kelce, Keenan Allen, David Johnson, so elected to get out before they all get a year older. I also traded for 1.2 so I think 1.4 frees me up to maybe take a bigger swing that I would if I just had 1.4. Obviously you want to hit home runs with every pick, but knowing my risk tolerance is probably lower than average, having that second shot might make me more inclined to take a Metcalf, Butler (or insert prospect with high ceiling here).
I'd love to hear what you got for AB, Keenan Allen or David Johnson. This seems like a terrible offseason to receive good value for any of them.
coachoneill
Footballguy
AB is still on my roster. Suffice to say I haven't been able to find many suitors.
Prior trade:
Sent:
Allen, DJ, John Brown, Tyler Lockett, Roethlisberger
for
1.2, Watson (superflex), Chris Godwin, Ito Smith, 2020 2nd (likely late).
coachoneill
Footballguy
Think that is a pretty even trade. I would prefer Mixon and Pettis by small margins. Unknown is how much removing the specter of Marvin Lewis from Cincy helps Mixon's receiving upside.
kutta
Footballguy
I like Mixon more than Cook and Kirk more than Pettis.
So I'm pretty sure I'll take your side...
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd take Mixon over Cook, Kirk, and Pettis, personally.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
On second thought nevermind. I can see both sides and the value is quite a bit closer than I thought at first glance. Probably even and obviously in your favor sooner rather than later.
Based on what you said the other guy had, sounds like he shoulda been the one rebuilding, not dealing for kelce and brady
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
for me
Lindsay >> Williams
Funchess = Fuller
2020 2nd, 3.8, 4.8 < 1.12
so give me Team B in a close one
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
And we haven't seen Tyrell's? I'd rather have Funchess than Tyrell Williams. Both are more athlete than WR, but Funchess is in a better spot and younger.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I like Lindsay a lot, but I think 2018 was an exception, not the rule for him. He still has value but the time is right to sell if you can get some monster value for him. Him and Aaron Jones, IMO, are great sells right now.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/2Flex
Team A trades:
Dalvin Cook
Team B trades:
Aaron Jones
1.08
Team A trades:
Dalvin Cook
Team B trades:
Aaron Jones
1.08
Concept Coop
Footballguy
12 Tm PPR - QRRWWTFF
1st, 3rd, 4th (all late 2020), J. Samuels
for
Philip Lindsay
1st, 3rd, 4th (all late 2020), J. Samuels
for
Philip Lindsay
ffmail4me
Footballguy
coachoneill
Footballguy
The unknown context here is the guy I made this trade with has an incredible receiving core. We start 3 WR's and an additional 2 flexes.
His likely starting receivers/flex candidates
Hopkins, Thielen, Juju, Robert Woods, Corey Davis, Sterling Shepard. Adding the huge upgrade with Kelce and moderate upgrade with Howard (really) leaves his likely lineup as
QB/SF: Wilson, Goff
RB: James White, Howard
WR: Hopkins, Thielen, Juju
TE: Kelce
Flex: Robert Woods
Flex: Corey Davis or Sterling Shepard.
RB still a weakness but he eliminated the barren hole at TE for the price of a guy in Moore who absent a meteoric rise wasn't getting in the lineup regularly except for maybe at Flex 2.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Lindsay only got 12 carries and 3 targets a game. He looked great and was extremely productive. Why are we expecting a sizable regression? What incentive do the Broncos have to reduce his touches?
I don’t get the hesitation with Lindsay. He doesn’t have the upside of some of his peers, as he’ll likely never be a 20 touch guy. But nothing about his season looked fluky to me. The kid can absolutely play and there is still upside in the passing game.
I thought it was just the Royce fans for a while, but it seems the majority are down on Lindsay.
Edit: And I totally get not wanting to invest in a player with limited upside; I get why people might not be high on him. I just don’t get why we would see 2018 as a fluke.
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ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
You have always been a pretty staunch supporter of A. Jones if I recall. Why the change of heart? Just curious - I own him and dont disagree with you - the situation makes me nervous but I am surprised to see you express this opinion. Wondewring what transpired to make you feel this way. Change of coaching staffs would seem on the surface to be positive or neutral for him, not negative.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Full disclosure, I was down on Cohen last year and he proved me wrong, but in his stats lies where my reservations for Lindsay are.
I think we've seen Lindsay's ceiling already. Also, I see Lindsay's projected production similar to how Cohen produced- very erratically. Is he someone you want as your RB1? no. RB2? I wouldnt. If he is a flex option I think he is very valuable. Right now people value him as an every week RB2, and that's where I dislike him.
Many years ago I was bitten bad by Chad Johnsons streaky games. He seemed like a high end WR2, but when you looked at his games he either single handedly won you your week or he produced 4/55. Probably better as a flex player. My concern is that Lindsay ends up down this same path
Interseptopus
Footballguy
It's become more and more clear to me that Jones is very talented and one of top 50% RBs in the league. However I dont think he is made to be a great fantasy RB for the long term.
I'm not sure he is a workhorse guy. Right now his stock is pretty high yet, and this is a make or break year for him. If he gets hurt a 3rd year in a row or fails to take the reigns in that offense, his stock should fall considerably.
Also, there is the injury side of things. two minor-ish knee injuries in back to back seasons. That isn't a good sign. One more and we can officially label him injury prone.
I do think that GB could take a RB round 2 or 3. That would torpedo Jones' value. Gute has said he loves Jones and wants him on the field as much as possible, but he hasnt stayed healthy. Williams is JAG. They dont really have anyone after those 2. I dlnt expect them to take a RB early, as they have S, OL, LB, WR, and TE needs, but I wouldnt be surprised. Keep in mind, Williams and Jones are TTs guys, not Gute's. probably
but in my case I made him available and received a really good offer for him. I cant fault someone for holding him.I just look at risk/reward, and think if I can get a good price why not; I think there is potential that this is his sell high point due to RBBC/draft/injury concerns. Concerns are adding up... one is bound to strike
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Hard for me to agree to this line of thinking when he was surrounded by a pitiful supporting cast last year. I believe Denver made a huge hire with Mularkey who I think will do miracles with their OL, like the Scangarello OC hire due to Kyle/Mike Shanahan coaching tree with deep roots in RB success, feel like Flacco is at least an upgrade over Keenum, they might take a TE early and if Sanders is healthy the two rookie WR's from last year should be better. In short everything around him looks better and you are the second person to say he reached his zenith or will never have a year like that again. I can't get my head around that. I don't think he has a lot more upside over what he was last year, just hard for me to think it was the best we've seen.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Do you think he pushes Freeman out? or that he just does more with what he is given? or something else?(not trying to out words in your mouth)
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