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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (31 Viewers)
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
That could very well be true, I am just thinking compared to the year prior I thought he looked a lot better and made big development strides. I would also point out, not specifically to you but just because it is trending here, the Browns played 3 straight games in terrible weather last year and at least some of the narrative on Baker is looking at this EOY stats and not the context. I am *not* saying you're doing that at all. In fact, league average really seems about right even if he is really good. There is that much talent at the position.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
The bolded is what I was worried about last year as a development road block but he completely erased those concerns for me. In those 3 monsoon games he averaged 22 attempts per game. After that when they put a lot more on his plate again, he absolutely crushed it. I don't see him regressing in regards to the happy feet, but that is exactly the main trait I was concerned with going into last season. I'm not investing anything in any of the Browns this year for the most part. I have a couple Hunt shares but that is about it. 10.5 wins is a big number, even with 17 games.I don't think Baker actually got any better last year. I think he was just asked to do a lot less and play with a lot less pressure since the offensive line, running game, and defense were so good. When any of those regress, as they often do, and more is put back on Baker I think we'll see the same panicky happy feet QB that can't handle it all over again.
This discussion actually reminded me to go ahead and put my money where my mouth is, which I'd been meaning to do anyway, so now I'm really invested in the discussion
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
I'm bad at evaluating SF/2QB trades, but the point I wanted to make was that anyone getting Jeudy in a trade is very smart. He' often seems to be there as a throw in, and with a high ceiling at what often seems to be a discounted price, I love getting Jeudy in package deals right now.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You definitely could be right as it happens every year. I feel the Jags were built much worse than the Browns though personally and the Browns got better the Jags definitely got worse. Also, 7 teams making the playoffs changes things. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they did miss the playoffs though and I definitely don't think there is any way they win their division like a lot of people are picking.I realize we're way off topic at this point but this team reminds me so much of the 2017 Jags. A great defense and running game allowed them to hide Bortles for a year, but when those faltered he was right back to the same old guy.
I don't think Baker actually got any better last year. I think he was just asked to do a lot less and play with a lot less pressure since the offensive line, running game, and defense were so good. When any of those regress, as they often do, and more is put back on Baker I think we'll see the same panicky happy feet QB that can't handle it all over again.
Again every year there is a team in the playoffs where everyone played great to hide their mediocre/below average QB and that team is almost always one of the teams that regresses bigtime the next year.
This discussion actually reminded me to go ahead and put my money where my mouth is, which I'd been meaning to do anyway, so now I'm really invested in the discussion
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
You are wrong there at all. I think he is improving which is all you can ask. There are a lot worse things that you can be than league average, especially at that position. I agree it will be enough to get them in the playoffs and with the D and running game they could win a playoff game for sure.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I don't play in 10 team leagues really or 2 QB leagues really so my opinion doesn't mean a ton but if I had the QB depth to not need Wilson at all this year, I would take this for Allen probably. Just because of 10 teamer. In bigger leagues that could change as Allen is almost gold.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Gimme Metcalf & a moist towelette.Hankmoody said:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
2 1sts, Wilson & Jeudy for Allen seems like a somewhat fair deal that no Allen owed should make.iamkoza said:
It’s not like Allen is an aging asset, and his value to a dynasty team is just so high.
That said; if team Allen is rebuilding & has only Allen & some gaping holes in their roster, I get it. I’d want one more player, and I’d want the ‘24 pick to be a ‘23. That it’s a 10-team league devalues players slightly from a 12 teamer, but yeah - one more player or pick would have made this a better deal.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not sure it’s quire robbery - it’s 2 potential feature backs for 2022. And how long is Russ gonna play at a high level & who’s next?
we might look at this in a year and say, “man, this dude locked up 2 RB1-2 types for years for a WR who no longer has an elite QB”
But that’s a “might” and DK is a lock for elite production right now, so…. Short term heavily favors DK. Long term maybe not so bad.
it’s still a little light though, yeah.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
All good points but RBs careers are all short term really and I don't think Russ has given us a reason to believe that he can't be good for quite a few more years.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
FFPC, contending team
Gave K. Hunt & Rondale Moore, 2023 3rd
Got Aiyuk
Owner had been offering him to me all off season (for quite a bit more) and being stacked at wr (AJB, Diggs, JJ, Cooper, Woods, DJ Moore) answer was always no. Value wise I think it is fine, but I'm an rb hoarder by nature and having some remorse now. Chubb and Henry are my starters and Hunt was on bench most weeks which makes it easier but rb depth takes big hit (Sanders, Davis, Mostert).
Gave K. Hunt & Rondale Moore, 2023 3rd
Got Aiyuk
Owner had been offering him to me all off season (for quite a bit more) and being stacked at wr (AJB, Diggs, JJ, Cooper, Woods, DJ Moore) answer was always no. Value wise I think it is fine, but I'm an rb hoarder by nature and having some remorse now. Chubb and Henry are my starters and Hunt was on bench most weeks which makes it easier but rb depth takes big hit (Sanders, Davis, Mostert).
RB Depth still looks solid for this year, but might want to get some RB lottery tickets on the end of your bench for 22 and hope someone hits. As far as the deal, I love Aiyuk to show out so I love the deal. By the way your WR core is sick!
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like the value for Aiyuk but I agree on the RB thing. I hoard them too and they are much harder to come by. With your team, I probably wouldn't have made this deal personally but value-wise it was probably a good move.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
If it is 1 QB, then I don't understand carrying 6 QBs but good move. If SF or 2 QB then you got robbed even though I love Scary Terry this year.
Boston
Footballguy
Absolutely Aiyuk…I am a huge Aiyuk guy so this isn’t even close IMO…you got a potential #1 FF WR who is very young for. RB who while good is #2 on his team and just turned 26, a quality WR prospect and a nothing special draft pick…this is a deal where you did not have to touch the core of your roster and was able to obtain a potential stud and you now have the flexibility to deal one of your quality WRs to upgrade at RB if that is what you want to do…I hate this type of deal for the other owner…makes no sense from a dynasty perspective.
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Bald Bull
Footballguy
Yes 1 QB. The team had Murray, Stafford, Burrow, Lock, Hurts, and Newton.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Regardless of team build I like Aiyuk here. He has the potential to be a real difference maker. Pedigree, great rookie season, and now he has a big armed high ceiling QB coming in.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
This is a tough one. Jefferson is the best player in this deal, but it’s a fair trade. I could see getting Eke/Jeudy too, depending on team needs.
Fair trade. I prefer JJ.
Bald Bull
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Agreed…I look at it this way…to get JJ you will have to overpay and I do not see this as an overpay…Jeudy is still in a tough situation with his QB and while I like Ekeler he is 26 years old which is not a bad age to be cashing out on him….also, while the Pats RB situation is always a minefield that is not a bad little throw in as it was not needed to make this deal…I would be very pleased to obtain Jefferson for this.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'm a big Jefferson fan and not huge on Ek so I'd take JJ easily even though I do like Jeudy. Value-wise it probably isn't bad but I like JJ too much here.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I don't know what you got in return, and I don't even care. If you managed to trade away FIVE QB's in a 1QB league then you my friend have some sales skills. I'm in a 1QB league and we've had ONE trade in five years that involved a QB.
Bald Bull
Footballguy
You have to take some losses and I already took a BIG one!!!! But it's okay because I'm rebuilding and I was able to get these rookies through drafting and trading: Etienne, Elijah Moore, Michael Carter, Fields, Bateman, and St. Brown. I also traded Hunt for Shenault.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
I think it's pretty close, if contending im leaning Jeudy, if building i'm taking Jefferson.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC not involved, each trade is a separate league:
Team A gives OBJ, ETN, Javonte Williams, Everett
Team B gives Adams, Mike Davis, 2022 2nd & 3rd
Team C gives Gaskin
Team D gives Goff, Stevenson, two 2022 2nds, 2022 3rd
FFPC SF:
Team X gives Ekeler
Team Y gives James Robinson, Jacobs
Team E gives M Thomas
Team F gives C Samuel, N Collins, 2022 2nd & 3rd
Team A gives OBJ, ETN, Javonte Williams, Everett
Team B gives Adams, Mike Davis, 2022 2nd & 3rd
Team C gives Gaskin
Team D gives Goff, Stevenson, two 2022 2nds, 2022 3rd
FFPC SF:
Team X gives Ekeler
Team Y gives James Robinson, Jacobs
Team E gives M Thomas
Team F gives C Samuel, N Collins, 2022 2nd & 3rd
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
3-way trade? I don’t understand who got what in return here.
or is it A with B, and C with D?
If this, then Team B wins, and team C wins.
ok I think I’m getting your style. Coulda just stuck with A B for every trade. lol
This one’s tricky and depends on needs. I assume Robinson = JAX RB and not Allen? So yeah, gimme the Eke side but it’s close.
Team E
Thomas is a toxic asset at the moment and getting that much in return is a score.
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14 team SF 1.5 TEP startup trades
Trade 1: Traded A. Gibson, 4.13, 7.02 for J. Taylor, 5.13, 7.13
Trade 2: Traded J. Taylor for 2 2022 1sts + 2023 1st
Net overall: Traded A. Gibson, 4.13, 7.02 for 5.13, 7.13, 2 2022 1sts, 2023 1st
My initial plan was to take a productive struggle approach, punting 2021 and focusing on 2022 and beyond. Felt both trades were too much for me to pass on. Would love to hear thoughts about both trades in combination or individually. Cheers.
Trade 1: Traded A. Gibson, 4.13, 7.02 for J. Taylor, 5.13, 7.13
Trade 2: Traded J. Taylor for 2 2022 1sts + 2023 1st
Net overall: Traded A. Gibson, 4.13, 7.02 for 5.13, 7.13, 2 2022 1sts, 2023 1st
My initial plan was to take a productive struggle approach, punting 2021 and focusing on 2022 and beyond. Felt both trades were too much for me to pass on. Would love to hear thoughts about both trades in combination or individually. Cheers.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
16 team PPR. Not TE prem but can start 1-3 TE
D Carr
A Gibson
2023 3rd
FOR
1.08
Fant
M Callaway
D Carr
A Gibson
2023 3rd
FOR
1.08
Fant
M Callaway
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I said each league is separate but I meant to say each trade is a separate league. None were from the same league. I didn't feel like making 4 posts but "each league is separate" doesn't quite get there. I'm not changing my letters, though! And yeah it was James Robinson. I edited.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I managed to figure it out.
A-B makes more sense for all trades. When you said "A gets, B gets C gets" I immediately think "3-team trade, that's rare!"
All good - I got it eventually.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I will bet you a million dollars if I kept it all A-B there would be someone else saying they thought it was the same owner. I would bet anything on it.I managed to figure it out.
A-B makes more sense for all trades. When you said "A gets, B gets C gets" I immediately think "3-team trade, that's rare!"
All good - I got it eventually.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC not involved
Gabriel Davis for a 2022 4th
Mutha #### bucket. So dang cheap. I still wouldn't sell for a 2nd.
ETA - huh ^^ this really isn't a cuss word I am surprised.
Gabriel Davis for a 2022 4th
Mutha #### bucket. So dang cheap. I still wouldn't sell for a 2nd.
ETA - huh ^^ this really isn't a cuss word I am surprised.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Instead of Team A, B, C, etc I'm going to start going with farm animal team names.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC not involved
Melvin Gordon for a 2nd
Melvin Gordon for a 2nd
ghostguy123
Footballguy
wlwiles
Footballguy
Jeeez that stings. I nibbled around the Davis owner twice over the summer but unfortunately (for me) he knows what he has. He told me 2.03 or 2.04 is about the cheapest he'd sell him for, and I don't blame him a bit.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
If there are only 2 teams involved you never need to go past B.
this isn’t rocket surgery.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Nah. That’s been how it is on all these deals for 100 pages.
just say “trade 1, trade 2,” etc.
