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No one is saying they’d take the 1.08, just that you aren’t likely getting anything a whole lot better right now.
2/3rd of mocks is great, but that doesn’t mean much in an established league imo. Show me some trades where green goes for 1.05 or up or where he gets traded for mixon or cmc or someone else around 2/3 startup.
You wont see many of those trades because the Green owners aren't trading Green. They prefer to win
At first glance, I see Hunt, Jones, Adams, a small filler (Coleman) for Evans, multiple 1sts, etc.
As I stated in my earlier post....AJ Green is not exciting. He is worth more to the team that has him than to any team trying to trade for him because he is so un-exciting. He is a solid WR1 that nobody gushes about and the guy that owns him knows how solid he is. He is one of those players that is worth more to the current owner than what anybody trying to get him is willing to pay. I think he is virtually untradeable because of that reason.
I think the big x-factor here is Crowell...or more importantly where he ends up...if he ends up in a plum situation that could really tilt the scales with this deal...
Diggs actually didn't really cut much into Thielen's production as much as the Vikings starting running the ball better towards the end of the season. Diggs and Thielen actually were very similar over the last 6 games where Thielen had 29 receptions on 46 targets to Diggs 29/42. Thielen had 360 yds to Diggs' 317 while Diggs had more TD's 3 to 1. Those guys were used pretty much as 1a & 1b down the stretch.
I don't understand this. You got the two best assets, not sure why the other guy would do it.
In one league I've owned Green since his rookie year and have no intention of trading him and he'll probably retire on my squad, but I would jump at that. I went undefeated in the regular season in that league and would gladly take the hit at points at WR for Guice.
It wasn't similar with Case to that point. Thielen was the clear 1 for awhile and isn't now.Gally said:
Still Thielen for memenobrown said:
Thielen averaged 6 receptions/89.4 yds/10 targets with 3 total TD's for games 3-11 (Keenum games when full time starter - while Diggs was injured/coming back from injury). In the games Diggs missed completely Thielen had averaged 7 reception /69yds/12.5 targets with zero TD's. (actually a little under his averages while Diggs was in the lineup. After Diggs was back healthy (weeks 12-17) Thielen averaged 5 receptions/60 yds/8 targets with 1 TD. So a little under his first 11 week performance. However, the Vikings ran the ball much more affectively and threw the ball less in those games because the running game was being used more.
Weeks 1-12 Thielen out targeted Diggs 9.5 - 7.2. Week 13+ (w/playoffs) Diggs out targeted Thielen 8.6 - 8.
Basically 1.5 targets taken away from Thielen and given to Diggs based on the bolded statement. Not a drastic drop. Like I said, a 1a to 1b situation. Both quality options.
Wow...that is a great trade to analyze...two up and comers...not to be a pain but would like to see the QBs and WRs both teams have before commenting...
Team A was just part of a dispersal that was QB rich and WR weak. I'm team B (getting Garoppolo).
Nice deal for both teams as each needed help at the positions they are getting...Team A was pretty loaded at QB for a 14 team league...by the way, love how his back-bench are scrubs and yours are lotto tickets...beauty is in the eye of the beholder...
Hahah I actually thought of that as I was typing it. But for real...
I was going to mention the same thing. It always works that way when negotiating trades with other owners......hahahaha
That's 2.53 PPG, using his current PPT. At 8 targets a game, Thielen scores 13.5 PPG - good for WR21 this year. An extra 1.5 targets a game would put him at WR9. 1.5 targets is the difference between him being a WR1 and a WR3.
As a short term statistical view it made a difference this year but with the bunching of players with very little difference in points between WR9 and WR21 I would believe that just being a new year and possible different offensive philosophy will make a bigger difference (good or bad - have no way to know) than the presence of Diggs moving forward.
menobrown: you mentioned this being an FFPC trade which gives some basic background, but didn't mention whether you were involved or not.
Well, team a certainly got a lot of guys......drinking that enunwa koolaid. I’ll wait to pass judgement until I see who goes 4.17.
Yeah this trade would never happen closer to the draft when names go next to those picks. 1.4 owner should have waited.
Interesting, I'd prefer Jimmy G rather easily in any format. I know it's only 1QB but a good QB who can get you 20-25 points a week, with the potential for more in a given week is still really valuable I think, regardless of format. Woods had a great year and I'm probably underrating him, but is he really anything more than a WR2 at best longer term? You can find those kind of guys anytime. You might say QBs grow on trees in 1QB leagues too and I'd basically agree but Jimmy has a better shot IMO at producing at an elite level at his position. I also think Jimmy will have more trade value going forward so he might be more of an appealing asset in future trades.
I was involved, for once thought I'd leave out that part so as not to try and influence comments.
I'd agree plus he has to deal with the extra roster spot drain before cuts. I was selling him on idea that Dion could sign in a sweet FA spot and this might not be on the table if he does. Reality is even if he lands in kind of a sweet spot his value due to age and durability would probably peak out at best in the mid first round area, at best, and that's probably ambitious thinking.
So free Henry and diggs
That's bad, Dez isn't really a factor anymore unless he starts catching a ton of TDs again and while some people like Crowell he was supposed to breakout the last 3 years and hasn't so don't see how he will now
I just keep wondering what team A’s reasoning is- who is rostering latimer at this point? Bourne is an end of roster flyer at best, enunwa could be a nice stash but isn’t moving the needle in a trade this big. Picks 57 and 77 aren’t even rosterable guys. In a 20 team League I can understand how valuable studs are but even quality starters are difference makers.
I wonder if Team B was giggling when he typed the words Bourne, Enuwa and Lattimer...
There are some doozies in there 
