Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (24 Viewers)
- Thread starter Gottabesweet
- Start date
titusbramble
Footballguy
10 team SF
Sent - Hopkins, Vaughn, 2023 5th
Received - 2023 2nd, 4th
All picks probably going to be middle. Don't think I received the best value I could have done, he was initially offering a second, suggested a late round swap to move up to get a bit of extra value, chucked in Vaughn who's probably a cut for me anyway (he owns Fournette) to get it done. That said, happy enough with my WR situation as is (Evans/Lockett/Renfrow/Olave/ARSB) both now and for the next couple of years that I think Hopkins is expendable and I've now got 1/2/2/2 picks in rounds 1-4 next year
Sent - Hopkins, Vaughn, 2023 5th
Received - 2023 2nd, 4th
All picks probably going to be middle. Don't think I received the best value I could have done, he was initially offering a second, suggested a late round swap to move up to get a bit of extra value, chucked in Vaughn who's probably a cut for me anyway (he owns Fournette) to get it done. That said, happy enough with my WR situation as is (Evans/Lockett/Renfrow/Olave/ARSB) both now and for the next couple of years that I think Hopkins is expendable and I've now got 1/2/2/2 picks in rounds 1-4 next year
DrinkinBuddy
Footballguy
12 team PPR, start 1 QB:
Packers trade Miles Sanders
For
Cobras Derek Carr
Packers trade Miles Sanders
For
Cobras Derek Carr
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
23 2nd and 24 3rd
for
Cole Kmet
for
Cole Kmet
titusbramble
Footballguy
picks unless TE premium
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
candian fantasy guy
Footballguy
I have Wentz in 2 SF leagues, I put him on the block in both leagues this past weekend asking for a 2023 2nd in return. I got an offer in 1 league within minutes, I smashed accept. In the other league however, I have received a few offers but nothing near a 2023 2nd. So I am still holding in that one.joey said:
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Amazing get of Kupp IMO. I think he has the game to be very productive for 4-5 more years. That is the kind of trade I could never pull in my league.frae said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I could see someone wanting to move Kupp high after last season - but I can’t imagine why anyone would settle for that? He gave up a difference maker for spare parts.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
4-5 more very productive years seems like a stretch, IMO. He’s 28, will be 29 next month. 2023 will be his year 30 season. He’s only making 14M/season, and he’s a FA in 2024, his age 31 season.
At some point his contract could become an issue. The Rams financials are crazy. Something will have to give.
And, not for nuthin, he had a career year last year. Odds are he won’t repeat. Nothin against Kupp, but it’s a dangerous sport, he’s not the biggest dude, and it’s just hard to repeat in general.
I’d say if shareholders get 2 more very good years out of him (top 12 FF receiver) they have to be happy. At some point age & other factors will become an issue. No escaping Father Time. Possible he also gives shareholders another 2-3 years of WR2-3 production. We’ll see. 4-5 seems like a big number, all things considered.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Maybe… But either way what the other paid for him makes it a win IMO. Aiyuk is blah, late first this year is boring… Gladly give that for Kupp.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Kupp over Aiyuk easy. However, 4-5 more years of what he does is NOT happening
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh sure. I don’t hate the trade. Good deal to get Kupp, and I actually like Aiyuk a lot.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
I think this deal is pretty square. Derek Carr with all those weapons still isn't my preferred QB, but could see him get into some shootouts in that division. Depends on rosters but seems even, as Miles Sanders seems to be on his way out of Philly.
I think Kmet has a breakout year, but would be inclined to take my chances with that 23 2nd... assuming Kmet is probably buried on your bench, as a hasn't done s##t prospect.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Okay, your right….maybe. I think he is still catching a lot of balls at 33. He is intelligent/savvy and his game will evolve. He will still be able to rule the slot at that point. Aiyuk seems like the guy you always hate starting and end up missing his big weeks. I will set my alarm to revisit in 4-5 years.
Just a hunch but I feel like he breaks out with Lance. This is still a no-brainer trade for a contending team to nab Kupp, but I think Aiyuk will be viewed in a much different light this time next year.
joey
Footballguy
So my take is absolutely correct 50% of the time, and @Hot Sauce Guy is correct the other 50%. If we combine forces, we could start JoeyHotSauceGuy.com and make millions!!!!
barackdhouse
Footballguy
FFPC SuperFlex
I gave Pittman, K Herbert
I got Jeudy, Ridder, Badie
I gave Pittman, K Herbert
I got Jeudy, Ridder, Badie
Keith R
The Don
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Give me Allen. I know people trash QBs in 1QB but I personally like having a good one. With that being said Watson can be a good one but he is not an easy one to root for in my book so I would be happy to pay what you did for Allen who has no clouds of criminal history surrounding him.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
@Hot Sauce Guy So the question here for the previous Wentz trade should be, "Is Kadarius Toney worth a 2023 second" with Corey Davis as a throw-in, of course? My answer to this question is yes. I think they are pretty similar in value.
12 team PPR 2 QB
new owner to the league has made some questionably bad trades imo. Here’s his latest:
1.01
for
James Connor
its weird cuz the 1 trade I have been able to get done with him took like 2 months of back and forth and him hardballing me to get fair value. Then he seemingly makes other trades like this in days or even hours. Is this veto worthy? Being a new owner I’m worried about his longevity in the league.
new owner to the league has made some questionably bad trades imo. Here’s his latest:
1.01
for
James Connor
its weird cuz the 1 trade I have been able to get done with him took like 2 months of back and forth and him hardballing me to get fair value. Then he seemingly makes other trades like this in days or even hours. Is this veto worthy? Being a new owner I’m worried about his longevity in the league.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It depends on how we’re defining “very productive” - I think it’s fairly safe to say 2021 was a career year. He’s not replicating that again - but can he catch 90 balls and score 8-9 TDs at age 32? I don’t see why not.
also, Kupp is 6’2” and 210 pounds - that’s not small for a WR.
Last edited by a moderator:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I do think it’s a bad trade from a value perspective but it’s not close to veto worthy imo. Connor just seems like one of those guys no one wants to believe in, yet he puts up RB1 numbers when healthy each season.
I now own two shares of Hall and none of Connor - and I wouldn’t trade Hall for Connor but it wouldn’t be shocking for Connor to significantly outscore Hall over the next two seasons. Yes, this is dynasty so two years doesn't tell the whole story but people approach dynasty in different ways.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
No collusion, no veto. You can't regulate other people's ideas of trade fairness. This may be a season of learning value for the new owner. Leagues, even with similar rules/settings can value players/positions incredibly differently.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Yep. Would only consider vetoing in collusion situations. He's not got full value out of the 1.01 for sure, but it's not the worst trade I've seen by any stretch
ghostguy123
Footballguy
As long as there is enough of a deposit paid to be able to weather the storm when this guy inevitably quits and leaves the league with a roster full of waiver guys.
PantherThunder
Footballguy
I kinda like the Kmet side. Chicago didn't do much work on their line and Fields doesn't have much to throw too. He could turn into a t10 6'5" safety valve.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I'd dig a little deeper and try to find out how the trade came about.
Hard to imagine that's the best he could have done if he went shopping it so probably wise to assume he was offered Conner for it.
Hard to imagine that's the best he could have done if he went shopping it so probably wise to assume he was offered Conner for it.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I like the Kmet side also.
Mid 2nd's don't do much for me personally and 3rds or later do nothing, they're chips to get deals like this one over the line.
Think the gamble on Kmet was worth the outlay, especially for a TE needy, win now team.
PantherThunder
Footballguy
PantherThunder
Footballguy
14 team 1 QB IDP PPR - 18 yr old dynasty league
Trades don't happen often in this league, especially ones involving premium assets. I am defending champ and have some aging assets(Kelce, Evans) I had been looking for a way to convert them into something younger. I have Burrow at QB. He originally offered 23 1st & Penny for Watson. I countered with this. He sat on it for almost 24 hours before pulling the trigger this AM.
Gave: Watson and Evans
Got: 23 1st(Mid to Late), Higgins
Trades don't happen often in this league, especially ones involving premium assets. I am defending champ and have some aging assets(Kelce, Evans) I had been looking for a way to convert them into something younger. I have Burrow at QB. He originally offered 23 1st & Penny for Watson. I countered with this. He sat on it for almost 24 hours before pulling the trigger this AM.
Gave: Watson and Evans
Got: 23 1st(Mid to Late), Higgins
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
People throw around "veto" way too easily - this was likely a bad trade, but not something that's going to destroy the league. Heck for all we know Conner has another 18 TD season this year and Hall doesn't even show enough to beat out Michael Carter. Am I expecting that? No, but as I said before if you want a laugh re-read this thread from the beginning sometimes and see how some of the trades that were thought to be so one-sided, turned out.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Conner is a waiver guy now? He scored 18 TDs in this same offense last season. I get he doesn't look special when he runs, but the production has always been there.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
32 is 3 years out. I actually said I could see him putting up WR1 numbers for 2-3 years.
4-5 puts him at 33 and 34 years old, respectively. I do not believe it’s realistic to expect Kupp (or any WR) to put up WR1 numbers at 33 or 34. It’s pretty rare to see non-QB being very productive at those ages.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No because he hasn't actually had his age 29 season yet so 29, 30, 31, 32...32 is 4 seasons away.
I guess, but I think it’s just as likely those TD numbers fall and Connor is more of a backend RB2. Outside of the TD’s the numbers weren’t great. Not a single 100 yard game, despite having several games above 20 carries. 3.7 ypc isn’t anything to write home about. I personally wouldn’t expect any of the efficiency metrics to actually get better in his age-27 season, so you’re pretty much banking on him averaging nearly 2 tds a game again like last season.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Of course it's unlikely that he'll score 18 TDs again - but can he end up with 10-12? That doesn't seem all that remote.
Also he's involved in the passing game and with Edmonds gone, his additional receptions could offset some of the lost TDs.
Like I said, this was a bad trade. I'm just surprised that so many people jumped in with "veto". I've seen far worse trades in this thread alone.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not just the TD numbers, but the expectation that he’ll play 15 games again seems a bit fanciful given his career track record.
Last year was the healthiest he’s been his entire career, and he still played 15 games, starting 6.
Prior to that it was 14, 13, 10, 13 (starting 0, 12, 10, 11)
he just turned 27.
Of course you can’t predict injuries, but it seems fair to include missed time in any projections for a player who’s missed significant time in his career.
Regardless, that trade was terrible on its face. Not veto-able without collusion, just a bad deal.
The likelihood of Hall being a bust while Conner repeats 2021 is extremely low, IMO.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Definitely a bad trade, but probably not veto worthy.
Rather than vetoing, you should probably offer him Raheem Mostert or Jeff Wilson for his '23 First - don't miss out on this bonanza!
