IvanKaramazov
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Can somebody post the Washington Post story? I'm not a subscriber.
California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter, speaks out about her allegation of sexual assaultCan somebody post the Washington Post story? I'm not a subscriber.
From above link:Professor Christine Blasey Ford, the writer of the confidential Kavanaugh letter, is now speaking out to WaPo about her sexual assault allegation. "I thought he might inadvertently kill me," said Ford. "He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on
I knew a guy like that to. Seemed to be a great guy from a good family. Until one night he picked up a girl in a bar and then ended up beating her to death and leaving her body in a park.I was casual friends with a guy in high school who was by all appearances a nice guy. Dated a friend of mine. Treated his teachers, friends, and acquaintances with respect.
Turns out in his spare time he caught wandering cats and dogs and tortured them to death. Nobody knew for years.
I don’t want you to take this the wrong way, but I think you might be too reasonable for your party.That certainly checks a lot of boxes. The accuser is an accomplished academic and seems highly credible. She talked about the incident several years ago well before this nomination occurred. The drunkenness angle seems consistent with what we know about the nature of Kavanaugh and his social circle. I'm open to learning more, but I'm inclined to think that they should just go with another nominee.
incognito window is your friend.Can somebody post the Washington Post story? I'm not a subscriber.
Trump: Ha! Now who’s racist?To a conservative the only thing worse that a college professor is a crackhead. She was worse credibility now than she did when she was anonymous.
Trump: Ha! Now who’s racist?
Ded: There are white crackheads.
Trump: There are white crackheads?
God knows I disagree with him on many things, but the concepts of reason and moderation are not two of them.Seriously. A reasonable person who just happens to disagree with me on the best way to do things. I miss Republicans like that.
I agree with what Drunken Cowboy (I think) said a couple of pages ago. The standard of evidence here should be something like "Is this a credible accusation?" not "Is this true beyond a reasonable doubt?" I don't think the country is well-served by having a SCOTUS justice that has been credibly accused of sexual assault. There are plenty of other conservative justices to pick from -- go with one whose character is less questionable.Oh man. As Ivan says, it’s not quite enough info to absolutely believe it happened, but too much info to dismiss it either.
I have no idea what they should do. I’m guessing they will go through with voting him in. And that will be ugly.
What an awful situation.
I hope its not going to be as bad as when they tortured the Sandy Hook parents but i expect it to turn out like that.I feel awful for what the right is going to put this woman and her family through.
They won’t though.I agree with what Drunken Cowboy (I think) said a couple of pages ago. The standard of evidence here should be something like "Is this a credible accusation?" not "Is this true beyond a reasonable doubt?" I don't think the country is well-served by having a SCOTUS justice that has been credibly accused of sexual assault. There are plenty of other conservative justices to pick from -- go with one whose character is less questionable.
We'll see, of course. All it takes is for a couple of senators to get skittish.They won’t though.
They fear a blue wave that could take over the Senate (25-30% chance of that.) Thats why they rushed this through in the first place.
It happened. Women don't make that sort of #### up only to bring it out in the open 10 years later.Oh man. As Ivan says, it’s not quite enough info to absolutely believe it happened, but too much info to dismiss it either.
I have no idea what they should do. I’m guessing they will go through with voting him in. And that will be ugly.
What an awful situation.
And I am almost certain Trump will harass herI feel awful for what the right is going to put this woman and her family through.
For a lawyer you dispose yourself of the concept of innocent until proven guilty pretty quickly.Can’t wait to hear Republicans explain why a guy who may well be an attempted rapist should decide whether women can control their own bodies.
We’re not in a courtroom. No one is entitled to proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the rest of the world, only in court.For a lawyer you dispose yourself of the concept of innocent until proven guilty pretty quickly.
Won't speak for Henry, but I would say a couple of points - this is not a criminal trial, and the allegations, now publicly made, are credible. I would say, its more likely than not, that the incident occurred.For a lawyer you dispose yourself of the concept of innocent until proven guilty pretty quickly.
I I know it must sound pretty odd, but if that's all it turns out to be, then its a positive. This woman and her family could have their lives wrecked or even worse and about 30% of the country would cheer it along with the President. This is the time that we live in.And I am almost certain Trump will harass her
Yeah, I would feel comfortable filing a civil lawsuit on these facts if it hadn’t prescribed.Won't speak for Henry, but I would say a couple of points - this is not a criminal trial, and the allegations, now publicly made, are credible. I would say, its more likely than not, that the incident occurred.
But this does put a lot of pressure on Collins and Murkowski - among others.It’s going to be on Kavanaugh to withdraw himself. Grassley and McConnell aren’t going to pull the plug on this. Gonna be a bunch of old white men wringing their hands, call it disappointing but not disqualifying, and vote to confirm.
In encourage you read closely the thoughtful posts IvanK has said on the matter. We should do better than this to put a person on the Supreme Court.For a lawyer you dispose yourself of the concept of innocent until proven guilty pretty quickly.
It'll come down to the female senators to confirm.It’s going to be on Kavanaugh to withdraw himself. Grassley and McConnell aren’t going to pull the plug on this. Gonna be a bunch of old white men wringing their hands, call it disappointing but not disqualifying, and vote to confirm.
This is not the courtroom, so that does not apply. More in the court of public opinion. I am leaning that it did happen since she did come forward and pass a polygraph testFor a lawyer you dispose yourself of the concept of innocent until proven guilty pretty quickly.
Someone posted this earlier - but Judge's book on the Georgetown years really adds to the victim's credibility here.WTF with Judge jumping on top of them 2 times?! Was he trying to start a 3 way and figured that would be the best way to be involved?!
Yeah, and he seems like a swell guy.Someone posted this earlier - but Judge's book on the Georgetown years really adds to the victim's credibility here.
That was me. On mobile now so can’t find it easily, but it was one of my more recent posts in this thread.Someone posted this earlier - but Judge's book on the Georgetown years really adds to the victim's credibility here.
The devils threesomeWTF with Judge jumping on top of them 2 times?! Was he trying to start a 3 way and figured that would be the best way to be involved?!
From the sound of things, Kavanaugh was in the middle and would have been “Lucky Pierre.”The devils threesome
You know I'm channelling from an earlier thread and what's likely to come, right?This is a wretched thing to say. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Found my earlier post on thisSomeone posted this earlier - but Judge's book on the Georgetown years really adds to the victim's credibility here.
I'm going to pen an open letter expressing how Foreign Owned Fox News owes the people of America an apology. I will carbon copy a letter to Trump and people like DeVos as well. I'm not going to expect an apology though. Shame.Fox News: an apology is owed- to Brett Kavanaugh from Democrats.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/09/16/democratic-senators-owe-kavanaugh-and-american-people-collective-apology-but-don-t-expect-to-get-one.amp.html
I've read them. I disagree with the notions put forth. We have an incident that isn't provable one way or the other. Never will be, despite Sinn's partial omniscience. So what can you do with a 35 year old allegation that can't be proven? (Note this isn't analogous to Cosby who had 50+ accusers, we have one).In encourage you read closely the thoughtful posts IvanK has said on the matter. We should do better than this to put a person on the Supreme Court.
You're correct, but I'd expect that a lawyer would understand the construct and how it applies to many other situations in this world. Without this kind of restraint we're no better than a lynch mob.We’re not in a courtroom. No one is entitled to proof of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt in the rest of the world, only in court.
I do understand it. I also live in Louisiana and know what a lynch mob actually is. It’s not a bunch of people wanting someone who’s probably an attempted rapist to not be one of the 100 or so most powerful people in the world.I've read them. I disagree with the notions put forth. We have an incident that isn't provable one way or the other. Never will be, despite Sinn's partial omniscience. So what can you do with a 35 year old allegation that can't be proven? (Note this isn't analogous to Cosby who had 50+ accusers, we have one).
You're correct, but I'd expect that a lawyer would understand the construct and how it applies to many other situations in this world. Without this kind of restraint we're no better than a lynch mob.
Your argument from yesterday, that the FBI investigated this and found nothing so it’s not credible, has been proven wrong or irrelevant, so now you move to a new argument, which is that we’ll never know for sure one way or another.I've read them. I disagree with the notions put forth. We have an incident that isn't provable one way or the other. Never will be, despite Sinn's partial omniscience. So what can you do with a 35 year old allegation that can't be proven? (Note this isn't analogous to Cosby who had 50+ accusers, we have one).
You're correct, but I'd expect that a lawyer would understand the construct and how it applies to many other situations in this world. Without this kind of restraint we're no better than a lynch mob.