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One thing that I would hope all politicians would agree on these days is that trade protectionism is bad.
Mouth where my money is.
That doesn't mean our "free trade" deals are anti-protectionist.One thing that I would hope all politicians would agree on these days is that trade protectionism is bad.
A stripper's thong?Mouth where my money is.
a little bit of everything according to Sanders. Radio said the Pres is being very even handed with regard to the election.So, any shorthand scoop or rumor on the nature of what the President and Bernie discussed today?
grossA stripper's thong?Mouth where my money is.
Dont attack, the indictment is coming soon.So, any shorthand scoop or rumor on the nature of what the President and Bernie discussed today?
This is a pretty impressive signal. Others here mentioned yesterday or so that the president wanted to talk about his Fed appointment which Sanders is blocking, but there is no reason they could not have done that by videoconference. Seems pretty extraordinary to be called directly to the WH for all to see.a little bit of everything according to Sanders. Radio said the Pres is being very even handed with regard to the election.So, any shorthand scoop or rumor on the nature of what the President and Bernie discussed today?
Obama explaining how nice the Big Pharma and Big Insurance guys are.So, any shorthand scoop or rumor on the nature of what the President and Bernie discussed today?
Join us, Clifford. If he polls well it encourages more of his type in the ensuing elections. That money, even just a few bucks, can help. Was my first time donating as well. He's got an uphill battle but it's doable.I will say this. I have never, ever even considered donating money to a politician until this election, for Bernie. I didn't but I actually considered it. I think this says more about the alternatives than it does about him though.
Bernie Sanders says he and President Barack Obama talked foreign policy, the economy and "a little bit of politics," during their first extended sit-down since the Vermont senator's presidential campaign jolted the race for the Democratic nomination.So, any shorthand scoop or rumor on the nature of what the President and Bernie discussed today?
Is this shtick? You'd be happy if we were spending trillions occupying Iran right now?Sinn Fein said:John McCain understands why people are feeling the Bern
If not for the Palin fiasco - he would have been a good president imo. Good guy.
I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
he never found a war he couldn't supportSinn Fein said:John McCain understands why people are feeling the Bern
If not for the Palin fiasco - he would have been a good president imo. Good guy.
Because I don't rely on others to make my decisions for me?One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
I didAnonymousBob said:Join us, Clifford. If he polls well it encourages more of his type in the ensuing elections. That money, even just a few bucks, can help. Was my first time donating as well. He's got an uphill battle but it's doable.Clifford said:I will say this. I have never, ever even considered donating money to a politician until this election, for Bernie. I didn't but I actually considered it. I think this says more about the alternatives than it does about him though.
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Bernie Sanders: speaking tonight in Mason City, Iowa.
Hillary Clinton: at investment firm fundraiser in Philadelphia.
And while she was in Iowa today Bernie was enjoying the optics of a White House visit...Bernie playing dirty politics - he speaks the truth:
Bernie SandersVerified account
@BernieSanders
Bernie Sanders: speaking tonight in Mason City, Iowa.
Hillary Clinton: at investment firm fundraiser in Philadelphia.
MASON CITY, Iowa — Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
Boom.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa — Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/28/us/politics/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-iowa.htmlBernie Sanders at a Crossroads: Attack Hillary Clinton or Stay Positive?...The senator has prided himself on running an inspiring, issue-oriented campaign, and he speaks often of how he is not interested in tearing Mrs. Clinton down.
But the decision he is now grappling with echoes questions voiced by his supporters as Mr. Sanders finds himself within striking distance of Mrs. Clinton in Iowa: Does he have the stomach to directly attack her, and potentially defeat her, or will he be satisfied having injected important issues into the race and preserved his well-earned reputation for eschewing negative campaigning?
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This is going to have to get way out of hand for the DNC not to cowtow to HRC.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa — Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
You get invited to the White House, you go, no questions asked. Are you attempting to make a point to the contrary?And while she was in Iowa today Bernie was enjoying the optics of a White House visit...Bernie playing dirty politics - he speaks the truth:
Bernie SandersVerified account
@BernieSanders
Bernie Sanders: speaking tonight in Mason City, Iowa.
Hillary Clinton: at investment firm fundraiser in Philadelphia.
Most persuasive prose I've read in in the past 30 seconds.I wonder if any candidate would want to try and control oil prices instead of having OPEC do it over here. We don't use their oil just set a price for the stuff we pump. Guess it's not that easy
She would make a terrible wonk because she is a just a shill for the highest bidder right nowI am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I will not support her.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
Price fixing normally doesn't workI wonder if any candidate would want to try and control oil prices instead of having OPEC do it over here. We don't use their oil just set a price for the stuff we pump. Guess it's not that easy
Why demand O'Malley be included? Dude should drop out already. If under 5% he shouldn't be taking up space.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
I think both groups would be in favor of universal healthcare, raising minimum wage and drastically reduced college tuition.proninja said:Two things:I think the Trump/Bernie voters, a lot of them, are non voters or not usually interested in politics types and these guys are drawing them out of the woodwork. Im the opposite, none of the major candidates on either side interest me I might sit this one out. However of all the candidates. Bernie seems like the most normal dude and I like that about him. It's refreshing
I don't think Trump and Bernie voters have much in common at all
I'm just one data point, but I'm very interested in politics, and I'm absolutely #feelingthebern. I also find Trump vile.
That's so...so...reasonable. Nice to see.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
And by normally I think he means never.Price fixing normally doesn't workI wonder if any candidate would want to try and control oil prices instead of having OPEC do it over here. We don't use their oil just set a price for the stuff we pump. Guess it's not that easy
Because I don't rely on others to make my decisions for me?One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
I have seen her record, I have heard her speak. I have a pretty good sense of what she is about. While she is a terrible campaigner, she is a seasoned politician - maybe better than any politician in recent memory. She knows how to gain favor/money/power in a power-hungry world.
I don't like politics as usual. I don't like the way politicians are influenced by benefactors and not all constituents.
The obvious point is that Hillary isn't the monster you guys and Karl Rove make her out to be, otherwise a man with Bernie's principles wouldn't support her, right?Because I don't rely on others to make my decisions for me?One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
I have seen her record, I have heard her speak. I have a pretty good sense of what she is about. While she is a terrible campaigner, she is a seasoned politician - maybe better than any politician in recent memory. She knows how to gain favor/money/power in a power-hungry world.
I don't like politics as usual. I don't like the way politicians are influenced by benefactors and not all constituents.
This whole thing is politically brilliant and shows again what a superior candidate Bernie is. Why include O'Malley? Because Bernie is on the side of greater open discourse, and believes all candidates should have an equally opportunity to share their views so that voters can make a more well-informed decision. At least that's his story - which meshes so well with his overall messaging.Why demand O'Malley be included? Dude should drop out already. If under 5% he shouldn't be taking up space.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
Because he's respectful and O'Malley hasn't dropped out of the race yet.Why demand O'Malley be included? Dude should drop out already. If under 5% he shouldn't be taking up space.Bernie starting to act like the lead dog in the nomination process - throws down the gauntlet on the "debates" debate:
MASON CITY, Iowa Hours after Hillary Clinton ratcheted up her pressure on him to accept an invitation to an unsanctioned debate on Feb. 4, Bernie Sanders escalated the debate by calling for three new debates.
"From the beginning of this campaign Sen. Sanders has called for more debates. Secretary Clinton has not. Now she is asking to change the rules to schedule a debate next week that is not sanctioned by the DNC. Why is that? The answer is obvious. The dynamics of the race have changed and Sen. Sanders has significant momentum," said Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver in a statement on Wednesday night, while Sanders was speaking to a packed audience here.
"Sen. Sanders is happy to have more debates but we are not going to schedule them on an ad hoc basis at the whim of the Clinton campaign. If Secretary Clinton wants more debates that's great. We propose three additional debates. One in March, April and May and none on a Friday, Saturday or holiday weekend. And all of the three Democratic candidates must be invited. If the Clinton campaign will commit to this schedule, we would ask the DNC to arrange a debate in New Hampshire on Feb. 4."
No, the obvious point is that if Bernie thought that Clinton was the best choice to be president, he never would have run for president. The fact is he and Clinton have profound differences of opinion on many key subjects - both domestic and foreign. That Bernie views Clinton as better than Donald Trump, or the other republican candidates, is not the same as saying Clinton is the best choice.The obvious point is that Hillary isn't the monster you guys and Karl Rove make her out to be, otherwise a man with Bernie's principles wouldn't support her, right?Because I don't rely on others to make my decisions for me?One thing we can agree on is Bernie's authenticity and honesty. If he says Hillary would make a great President and throws his support behind her, why would you doubt his judgment?I am certain that if Bernie loses the nomination, he will support his good friend, Hillary Clinton.I will not support her.Sinn Fein - I admire your enthusiasm, even if I think you go way too far in demonizing Hillary.
I'm interested to see how you react if/when Bernie endorses Hillary.
I think Clinton would make a great policy wonk. I think she would make a terrible president.
I have seen her record, I have heard her speak. I have a pretty good sense of what she is about. While she is a terrible campaigner, she is a seasoned politician - maybe better than any politician in recent memory. She knows how to gain favor/money/power in a power-hungry world.
I don't like politics as usual. I don't like the way politicians are influenced by benefactors and not all constituents.
He has to manage expectations somehow. If he doesn't win Iowa after all the hype, he'll need a story to tell his supporters so they don't feel duped.
This sums up all of my extended family over 18y/o. Everyone is voting Sanders.proninja said:Two things:I think the Trump/Bernie voters, a lot of them, are non voters or not usually interested in politics types and these guys are drawing them out of the woodwork. Im the opposite, none of the major candidates on either side interest me I might sit this one out. However of all the candidates. Bernie seems like the most normal dude and I like that about him. It's refreshing
I don't think Trump and Bernie voters have much in common at all
I'm just one data point, but I'm very interested in politics, and I'm absolutely #feelingthebern. I also find Trump vile.
Actually I'm really surprised this happened with no state supervision. There are laws for challenging vote tabulations and verifying programs. This sounds totally off the grid. Also with the NGP VAN controversy not far in the background I'd say the Sanders campaign has a legitimate gripe. They ought to at least know who validated the programming within the party and who is handling the back end of the data.
Its been reported that both Sanders' camp and Clinton's camp have their own voting system back-up - i.e. someone at the precinct level will report back to each campaign - so there everyone is a bit wary, and prepared.Actually I'm really surprised this happened with no state supervision. There are laws for challenging vote tabulations and verifying programs. This sounds totally off the grid. Also with the NGP VAN controversy not far in the background I'd say the Sanders campaign has a legitimate gripe. They ought to at least know who validated the programming within the party and who is handling the back end of the data.