Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
He really needed something special in the NY debate. But despite tonights disappointment, Bernie needs to keep going full steam ahead until mathematically eliminated...especially with Hillary's potential email issues.
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mquinnjr
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
H.A. Goodman, who has predicted for months now that Bernie would win the nomination, says don't give up, because Hillary will be indicted:
https://www.facebook.com/hagoodman.journalist/posts/249964165355706
https://www.facebook.com/hagoodman.journalist/posts/249964165355706
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
No Bernie supporter can ever enthusiastically support HRC. I doubt Bernie can convincingly endorse her. When push comes to shove, many will hold their nose (like me) and vote for her, but don't expect any enthusiasm.
Most Bernie supporters are going to be mourning a lost opportunity. Thinking about what might have been.
Instead, we'll get more of the same. If she can just maintain Obama's progress and maybe adopt a little of Bernie's platform, all is not lost...but there is no excitement in it.
Most Bernie supporters are going to be mourning a lost opportunity. Thinking about what might have been.
Instead, we'll get more of the same. If she can just maintain Obama's progress and maybe adopt a little of Bernie's platform, all is not lost...but there is no excitement in it.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
Betfair has Hillary as a 78% favorite to win the election. I think the implied odds there are 22% for an indictment.
timschochet
Footballguy
Seth Abramson, the other "expert" who has been arguing that Bernie has the strong advantage, started out the night predicting a Sanders upset victory, then wrote, bizarrely:
A nice win for Hillary. She needs to win 66% in every state to avoid an open convention, and only got 57% in her home state, but a nice win.
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A few minutes later he tweeted:
Winning only 12 of 62 counties in your home state is not the look we've become accustomed to seeing on a major party front runner.
Too bad New York City was in those 12 counties...
https://twitter.com/sethabramson
A nice win for Hillary. She needs to win 66% in every state to avoid an open convention, and only got 57% in her home state, but a nice win.
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A few minutes later he tweeted:
Winning only 12 of 62 counties in your home state is not the look we've become accustomed to seeing on a major party front runner.
Too bad New York City was in those 12 counties...
https://twitter.com/sethabramson
timschochet
Footballguy
The bolded is simply not true, according to polling.
I don't believe your second sentence, either.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
You're overlooking the word "enthusiastically"
I think most will hold their nose and vote for her. But they aren't going to be excited about it. It's a missed opportunity.
timschochet
Footballguy
No I didn't overlook it. There was a specific poll a few weeks back about whether or not Bernie fans could enthusiastically support Hillary and a majority said yes. I do not believe that the Bernie fans here are representative of the majority.
But in truth, I don't think it matters anyhow. By the time the fall rolls around, Hillary Clinton's views vs. Bernie Sanders will be entirely forgotten. For most Americans Hillary's campaign will be reduced to a single factor, I predict: that she is not Donald Trump.
IC FBGCav
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Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I absolutely will not hold my nose and vote for her. She's got so much dirt on her at this point it's not even dirt any more. It's raw sewage. Hold my nose? I'd need a full body hazmat suit. Forget it.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
skol asylum
Footballguy
@davidsirota: Thing to remember abt NY tonite: its a Dem machine-dominated state whose politics are world famous for their cartoonish level of corruption
skol asylum
Footballguy
@davidsirota: Tonight's win definitely brings the dream of even bigger speaking fees & lobbying contracts for Clinton aides one step closer to reality...
@davidsirota: also means Bernie aides r closer to returning to the oh-so-lucrative life of community organizing & socialist causes
@davidsirota: If you can't take a moment & laugh at all this like you laugh at one of the Coen Bros dark comedies, then ur missing a key coping strategy
@davidsirota: also means Bernie aides r closer to returning to the oh-so-lucrative life of community organizing & socialist causes
@davidsirota: If you can't take a moment & laugh at all this like you laugh at one of the Coen Bros dark comedies, then ur missing a key coping strategy
skol asylum
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
I'm enthusiastically voting for a liberal Supreme Court Justice named 'Hillary Clinton' on the ballot.
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
It's incredible that the Democratic voters voted for a candidate who is directly responsible for the murder of 300,000+ Muslims, Global Neo-Con War, and trillions in war related debt. Cripes!
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
Trump, easily.
Hillary has, will currently, and will continue to push for the defacto murder of Muslims in the name of Oligarch boosted global neocon warefare. Trump was against the war in Iraq and has said he would be happy is Russia dealt with ISIS. Not a hard choice really.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
You are literally making stuff up or intentionally lying. That exact point was exposed as flatly false in the Trump thread. Yet here you are regurgitating it.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton. If ####### Jeb, Michelle, or Chelsea run and win next go-round, I'm officially revoking our "democratic" status since we've basically turned into an aristocracy.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
What does wanting money out of politics have to do with being president of the United States? It sounds like he belongs in the senate.
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Henry Ford
Footballguy
The only way the entire Senate ad House will vote for something like that is a mandate from the electorate signaling that we will no longer stand for the status quo.
What does wanting a giant infrastrure fund have to do with being President? What does wanting to protect funding for Planned Parenthood have to do with it? Or changing healthcare law? The Congress controls all of those things. No President can get anything done alone, he/she needs Congress to do it. But the bully pulpit and political capital are very powerful. Which is why a Presidential nominee with a few main reform issues makes a lot of sense.
The_Man
Footballguy
Looks like the end of the line for Bernie. If Hillary is smart, she'll begin to lavish him with praise and appease his supporters now. Still, it will be hard to swallow when she quickly begins to abandon all Bernie's positions that she took up out of convenience -- I'll be particularly annoyed when she runs far to Bernie's right on guns, since that's the issue she used to flog him.
I also want to say that I truly believe Bernie did our nation a great service by forcing Hillary to figure out some halfway decent campaign themes. I've never seen a more egotistical, self-centered candidate in my life. At first her message was: Vote for me, because it's my turn and I'm going to win anyway. Then it became, vote for me because I'm a women. Finally, Bernie dragged her to the current focus of "tearing down barriers to success" - a message that actually focuses on voters and their needs, rather than on the candidate's own desperate need for power. I think that if she had cruised through to the nomination - as the DNC intended - she would have arrived at the general as an even worse candidate than she is now, and would have been ripe for defeat. Bernie has helped prepare her to win the Presidency in a very real way.
Though even now, her slogan "I'm with her" is utterly self-referential and says nothing about her vision for making America better for its citizens.
I also want to say that I truly believe Bernie did our nation a great service by forcing Hillary to figure out some halfway decent campaign themes. I've never seen a more egotistical, self-centered candidate in my life. At first her message was: Vote for me, because it's my turn and I'm going to win anyway. Then it became, vote for me because I'm a women. Finally, Bernie dragged her to the current focus of "tearing down barriers to success" - a message that actually focuses on voters and their needs, rather than on the candidate's own desperate need for power. I think that if she had cruised through to the nomination - as the DNC intended - she would have arrived at the general as an even worse candidate than she is now, and would have been ripe for defeat. Bernie has helped prepare her to win the Presidency in a very real way.
Though even now, her slogan "I'm with her" is utterly self-referential and says nothing about her vision for making America better for its citizens.
pantagrapher
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I don't think the issues she cares about have changed here, just the messaging. And I agree that it's been a good thing for her to be pushed hard enough to have to come up with better messaging.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
How can I take offense to this? Also, you may want to understand what you say before you type.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Well, it was a run.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Sorry Bernie, i cant give you any more money.
I don't mean to call you out individually, but I hear so many people say that they can't stand a candidate but will still vote for them. Then we wonder why nothing ever changes and we continue to get ####ty candidates.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I'm fighting like hell for the candidate I want. If he gets eliminated and I'm left with two choices, I'm going to vote for the "better" of those two.I don't mean to call you out individually, but I hear so many people say that they can't stand a candidate but will still vote for them. Then we wonder why nothing ever changes and we continue to get ####ty candidates.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
Do you have an alternative?I don't mean to call you out individually, but I hear so many people say that they can't stand a candidate but will still vote for them. Then we wonder why nothing ever changes and we continue to get ####ty candidates.
skol asylum
Footballguy
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
For better or worse, everyone is free to vote for whomever they want for whatever reasons they want. I don't know how you feel about Hillary, which is why I said I wasn't singling you out- if you think Hillary is fine but you just prefer Bernie, then it makes perfect sense to vote for her if she wins the nomination. My comments were directed at people who think Hillary is awful but will still "hold their nose" and vote for her (same goes for Trump, Cruz, etc.). We get the candidates that we deserve, so we can't really complain when we keep supporting awful candidates.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
I agree and disagree. I'm not a big fan of Hillary. I think she's pretty despicable, actually. I think Trump and Cruz are downright evil incarnate though.
I'm fighting like hell for good guy Bernie...so I don't know how you can say I get the candidate I deserve when, after all is said and done, I'm left with two names on the ballot and I choose one because the other is the nuclear option.
Gawain
Footballguy
Gotta agree with Humpback. If the best that the two major parties can do are Clinton and Trump, better to vote third party.
To borrow a phrase:
If one percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, the two parties just think they're sick and won't bother them.
If two percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, two percent do it, the two parties may think they're ######s and won't take either of them.
And three percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, then the two parties may think they're an organization.
And can you imagine fifty percent of the voters walking into the booth and voting for who is best and walking out? That's a movement and how we'd get real change.
Tired of this lesser of two evils. I'll vote for the best person for the job.
To borrow a phrase:
If one percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, the two parties just think they're sick and won't bother them.
If two percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, two percent do it, the two parties may think they're ######s and won't take either of them.
And three percent of the voters vote for Johnson or Stein or the rent's too damn high, then the two parties may think they're an organization.
And can you imagine fifty percent of the voters walking into the booth and voting for who is best and walking out? That's a movement and how we'd get real change.
Tired of this lesser of two evils. I'll vote for the best person for the job.
CBusAlex
Footballguy
If fifty percent of the voters thought Johnson or Stein was better than Clinton or Trump, they wouldn't have to run third party in the first place.
Skoo
Footballguy
Love it when GOPers attack from the left.
10-1 this guy spent 2003 telling the Iraq war protesters to GTFO of the country.
Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
And in last year's Superbowl, I rooted for the Steelers.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I think all of them are terrible. I mean, really, really terrible.
With that said, Clinton is less bad than Trump or Cruz. I probably can't bring myself to vote for her, but that won't matter as my state will go democratic no matter what.
The only ways Clinton can lose are if the FBI finds a smoking gun in the email investigation (seems unlikely) or if Sanders decides to run as an independet.
Sure- how about you vote for someone you actually think isn't awful? If none fit the bill, skip the top of the ballot and focus on the other races- the local elections generally have a much bigger impact on your lives than the national one. I know if I was a die-hard Bernie supporter, I'd be screaming from the rooftops for him to run 3rd party. He isn't even a D for starters, and I'd want him to keep the momentum going and break the stranglehold the 2 parties have.
I'm pretty sure there will be more than two names on the ballot, and no one is forcing you to pick one if you don't like them. Yes, you get the candidate you deserve when, after all is said and done, you support that candidate.
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