Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (9 Viewers)

Mario Kart said:

Trump is behaving more like Kim Jong Un than an American. Trump praises Un and his power, correct? No wonder he is trying to emulate him.

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I suggest you look at the terrible atrocities Un commits against his family and people of NK before you compare him to anyone alive.

squistion said:

 

That is completely unrelated to Kaep wearing the pig socks.

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Question to you the thread starter and pioneer for this effort.  Have an answer?

BeaverCleaver said:

I suggest you look at the terrible atrocities Un commits against his family and people of NK before you compare him to anyone alive.

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Trump praises someone that commits atrocities against his own family and people. Trump, with his words, is trying to do terrible things to people in America. Quit falling for his attempts at fooling you by looking at his left hand while he bops you upside your head, repeatedly, with his right hand.

Ramblin Wreck said:

Question to you the thread starter and pioneer for this effort.  Have an answer?

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Not when it is completely unrelated to the OP you quoted.

Start a thread about the Redskins logo if you want to discuss that or go to a pre-existing thread. Don't try to hijack this thread with something not relevant to either Kaep or the anthem protests.

Just ad an FYI, NASCAR has been in a steady decline for quite a while now. Most races have stands not even half full and tv ratings are hitting record lows. Most races were down 25% in viewership from just 2 years ago.

Funny how when you target a very specific demographic, the sport eventually starts to die. But hey, pretty soon, the 15,000 fans in the stands and 100,000 at home watching on TV can grin because everyone is standing for the national anthem.

If their attendance and ratings are cratering despite everyone standing for the national anthem, makes you wonder, don't it?

So Trump is upset that the players are taking a knee because it is disrespectful but it’s ok to say someone is not a hero because they were a POW? I mean he likes his hero’s to not have been captured, his words not mine.

Radical Larry said:

Two things I won't do...

1. Tell a black person how to feel about their place in our society.

2. Judge anyone on how they display or don't display "patriotism".  

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2. is funny because someone said Villanueva, a veteran, should have respected his fellow teammates instead of standing today.

Donkey Derp said:

2. is funny because someone said Villanueva, a veteran, should have respected his fellow teammates instead of standing today.

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Well, that someone is wrong.

squistion said:

Not when it is completely unrelated to the OP you quoted.

Start a thread about the Redskins logo if you want to discuss that or go to a pre-existing thread. Don't try to hijack this thread with something not relevant to either Kaep or the anthem protests.

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So this thread is selective protest in support of only certain people and not all people?

CGRdrJoe said:

So Trump is upset that the players are taking a knee because it is disrespectful but it’s ok to say someone is not a hero because they were a POW? I mean he likes his hero’s to not have been captured, his words not mine.

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I like it when our heroes aren't captured.

(Agree with your point in regards to McCain)

Mario Kart said:

Trump praises someone that commits atrocities against his own family and people. Trump, with his words, is trying to do terrible things to people in America. Quit falling for his attempts at fooling you by looking at his left hand while he bops you upside your head, repeatedly, with his right hand.

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-OZ- said:

I like it when our heroes aren't captured.

(Agree with your point in regards to McCain)

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Yeah, I’m watching the raiders look like #### and was too lazy to google his exact quote.

Grace Under Pressure said:

Amazed to see people in here still agree with Trump, even though the whole NFL disagrees with his particular filth? I guess some people are just clueless. Too bad, really.

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Don't do that.

BeaverCleaver said:

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What, no  ? Trying to change it up, I see.

Joe Bryant said:

Don't do that.

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May I ask what was wrong with that post?

The anyone who doesn't agree with me is clueless shtick is never what we want to have.

skycriesmary said:

What, no  ? Trying to change it up, I see.

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Hang 10 said:

Yes. Both are protesting the flag.

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Are you sure?  Seems to me that in most instances they are protesting something other than the flag.  I guess there may be some people that object to the color scheme or the asymmetrical design, but I would think those folks would be a very small minority.

I guess all players must have hated America pre-2009 since virtually all teams and players stayed in the locker room until after the anthem. 

Teams only started routinely standing on the sidelines in 2009 when the Department of Defense started secretly paying the NFL and teams to have them do so.

After arriving home last night from Aruba, wife & I woke up, went to my in-laws where my boys stayed for the last week, and then went to my son's soccer game with them... It's a 6 & under league, final score was 0-0 even though the other team had 12 kids on the field to our 8. We had more shots on goal too, 2-1, moral victory lol. 

Took my mil/fil to brunch afterwards to hear about their week and thank them for letting my wife & I enjoy an excellent vacation.

Wife had a baby shower and we went home... I let my little boys ride me around like a pony in our house from 1-3. Then the wife came home and we went to the Atlantic Antic. Came home, gave the boys a bath, I did some laundry, got a massage, & we watched Ray Donovan - wife just fell asleep, I'll hopefully be able to do the same within the hour. 

The point? I couldn't have been happier today, accidentally left Jordan Reed in my lineup... whatever - they've got the right to politicize sports, I've got the right to tune out. OP writes "unprecedented day" in the title, I'd bet when we look at the decline in NFL viewership 5 years from now, even though they're already in a decline now, today will be an aha moment kinda day. Smart when trying to renegotiate a CBA.

500 posts in this thread today

OP, awesome Sunday for you too? Looks like it was a blast! I'm not going to highlight my post from 7am today, but for those that want to discuss Trump and just think everyone is a dumb racist bc he is POTUS, give it a read, you guys will be he reason we get another 4 years of the buffoon. 

Keep up the good work in here, truly some ground shattering stuff.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/24/donald-trump-nfl-player-protests-national-anthem-week-3-response/697609001/

NFL player protests sweep league after President Donald Trump's hostile remarks

NFL players responded in full force Sunday after President Trump repeatedly called for swift punishment against those who chose to protest by not standing during the national anthem.

Demonstrations spread throughout the league as many players broke out of their routine by joining the protests or engaging in team-wide displays of unity. The Associated Press estimated 204 players elected to either kneel or sit during the anthem.

Several players from the Oakland Raiders, Buffalo Bills, Denver Broncos, New York Giants, Detroit Lions, New England Patriots, New Orleans Saints and Atlanta Falcons were among those who chose not to stand for the anthem. The Miami Dolphins, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Minnesota Vikings, Philadelphia Eagles, Chicago Bears, Indianapolis Colts, New York Jets, Los Angeles Chargers, Green Bay Packers and Washington Redskins stood with arms locked, though some players from those teams chose to kneel.

Included in the group of players who protested: Julius Peppers, who did not to join his Carolina Panthers teammates on the sideline; LeSean McCoy, who stretched during the anthem before the Bills game; and Adrian Peterson, who was one of several Saints players to remain seat.

Sixteen Patriots players took a knee during the anthem. Quarterback Tom Brady stood and locked arms with teammates.

In Sunday's first game, several players from the Baltimore Ravens and Jacksonville Jaguars either knelt or locked arms on their respective sidelines in solidarity during the national anthem at Wembley Stadium.  Included among them was Jags owner Shahid Khan, who locked arms with tight end Mercedes Lewis and linebacker Telvin Smith.

Khan was one of seven owners to donate $1 million to President Donald Trump’s inauguration festivities. Also kneeling with Baltimore was former Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis.

Owners Stephen Ross (Dolphins), Martha Ford (Lions), Jeffrey Lurie (Eagles), Christopher Johnson (Jets) and Dean Spanos (Chargers) also joined their respective teams during the anthem.

The Pittsburgh Steelers chose not to have players on the sideline during the anthem before a game against the Chicago Bears. The Seattle Seahawks and Tennesssee Titans followed suit in their game later in the afternoon.

A league executive told USA TODAY Sports that although players are required to be present for the national anthem, no fines would be handed down for those who were absent.

A league executive told USA TODAY Sports that although players are required to be present for the national anthem, no fines would be handed down for those who were absent.

"We're not going to play politics. We're football players, we're football coaches," Steelers coach Mike Tomlin said. "We're not participating in the anthem today - not to be disrespectful to the anthem, but to remove ourselves from the circumstance.

"People shouldn't have to choose. If a guy wants to go about his normal business and participate in the anthem, he shouldn't be forced to choose sides. If a guy feels the need to do something, he shouldn't be separated from his teammate who chooses not to."

Multiple members of the Dolphins wore shirts that read "#IMWITHKAP," referencing former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick, before their game against the New York Jets. Kaepernick, who began the protests last year by choosing not to stand during the anthem and remains a free agent, said he wanted to speak out against racial injustice and police brutality. 

badmojo1006 said:

I think it is time to have a discussion as to whether the National Anthem should be played before every game.

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Past time

Ramblin Wreck said:

So this thread is selective protest in support of only certain people and not all people?

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Only certain lives matter.

Keenum and Bortles both had huge days.  Kap will be sitting a few more weeks at least.

Donkey Derp said:

Only certain lives matter.

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Kaep, along with the BLM folks, would say that protesting the disproportionate shootings of African Americans doesn't mean that only certain lives matter. As is pointed out on the BLM website, they are saying that black lives also matter, or that black lives matter, too.

squistion said:

Kaep, along with the BLM folks, would say that protesting the disproportionate shootings of African Americans doesn't mean that only certain lives matter. As is pointed out on the BLM website, they are saying that black lives also matter, or that black lives matter, too.

In addition. his protest went beyond BLM issues and was also about oppression and discrimination against all racial minorities, so Native American's lives would be included on that list.

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Everyone's life matters.  Sorry that's news to you.

Really odd you deleted that last part huh

Donkey Derp said:

Only certain lives matter.

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Yeah, that is kind of the point.  Some lives are obviously not getting equal treatment. 

I thought that when the Browns ran out with the first responders that was a meaningful, positive act symbolizing working on unity for all.  

Strangely, in a thread of a billion posts, that didn't get much (any?) coverage.  It's almost like people want to be kept separated.

Donkey Derp said:

Everyone's life matters.  Sorry that's news to you.

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Yes, everyones lives should matter. Equally.  But results prove otherwise.

Donkey Derp said:

I thought that when the Browns ran out with the first responders that was a meaningful, positive act symbolizing working on unity for all.  

Strangely, in a thread of a billion posts, that didn't get much (any?) coverage.  It's almost like people want to be kept separated.

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Did you start a thread on it? 

BigSteelThrill said:

Yeah, that is kind of the point.  Some lives are obviously not getting equal treatment. 

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Where was all this outrage in support of the "deplorables"?   Or did that not fit the political narrative?

Donkey Derp said:

Everyone's life matters.  Sorry that's news to you.

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I agree 100% and so do those with BLM.

BLM people have said repeatedly that everyone's life matters. BLM is essentially saying Please Don't Shoot Us!

As noted on their website, it is implicit in saying Black Lives Matter they are not saying Only Black Lives Matter, they are saying Black Lives Matter Too.

BigSteelThrill said:

Yeah, that is kind of the point.  Some lives are obviously not getting equal treatment. 

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lol don't be oblivious

Please Don't Shoot Us!

What a curious edit of a post by squistion 

BigSteelThrill said:

Did you start a thread on it? 

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Every article, tweet or post in the history of this protest has been posted here.  Except one.

GroveDiesel said:

Just ad an FYI, NASCAR has been in a steady decline for quite a while now. Most races have stands not even half full and tv ratings are hitting record lows. Most races were down 25% in viewership from just 2 years ago.

Funny how when you target a very specific demographic, the sport eventually starts to die. But hey, pretty soon, the 15,000 fans in the stands and 100,000 at home watching on TV can grin because everyone is standing for the national anthem.

If their attendance and ratings are cratering despite everyone standing for the national anthem, makes you wonder, don't it?

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Did you have a point here?  Do you think if NASCAR fans sat for the anthem more people would watch?

squistion said:

I agree 100% and so do those with BLM.

BLM people have said repeatedly that everyone's life matters. BLM is essentially saying Please Don't Shoot Us!

As noted on their website, it is implicit in saying Black Lives Matter they are not saying Only Black Lives Matter, they are saying Black Lives Matter Too.

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I am well aware of this.  Telling someone not to interrupt your thread about another group that has also suffered atrocities in American history is a really bad look.  

Ramblin Wreck said:

Where was all this outrage in support of the "deplorables"?   Or did that not fit the political narrative?

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No support for those who try to make others unequal. They can even chew on the nazi or kkk reference if they wish.

Donkey Derp said:

I am well aware of this.  Telling someone not to interrupt your thread about another group that has also suffered atrocities in American history is a really bad look.  

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Start a thread. 

Or you can enter the Cowboys thread and be intentional ### and try to make into a Eagles or Redskins thread.

BigSteelThrill said:

Start a thread. 

Or you can enter the Cowboys thread and be intentional ### and try to make into a Eagles or Redskins thread.

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 yep, no issue is as important as this issue.  That screams equality.

Donkey Derp said:

 yep, no issue is as important as this issue.  That screams equality.

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So yes, you enter the Cowboy thread and started demanding equality for Redskins and Eagle updates.  And then ##### about it.

Could probably classify as deplorable? 

Ramblin Wreck said:

Where was all this outrage in support of the "deplorables"?   Or did that not fit the political narrative?

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Their lives don't matter.  I'm not sure where black deplorable fall though.  Maybe between white Bernie supporters and black Hillary supporters.

BigSteelThrill said:

So yes, you enter the Cowboy thread and started demanding equality for Redskins and Eagle updates.  And then ##### about it.

Could probably classify as deplorable? 

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 you are comparing this discussion to football team threads?  You can't be serious right now.  

jonessed said:

Their lives don't matter.  I'm not sure where black deplorable fall though.  Maybe between white Bernie supporters and black Hillary supporters.

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Deplorables are getting shot by the very people that are supposed to protect them?

You guys are amazing. 

Donkey Derp said:

 you are comparing this discussion to football team threads?  You can't be serious right now.  

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I am serious. As you are desperate.

Go start a thread -- otherwise you are just trolling for anything you can get.

GroveDiesel said:

I guess all players must have hated America pre-2009 since virtually all teams and players stayed in the locker room until after the anthem. 

Teams only started routinely standing on the sidelines in 2009 when the Department of Defense started secretly paying the NFL and teams to have them do so.

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Thanks Obama

BigSteelThrill said:

I am serious. As you are desperate.

Go start a thread -- otherwise you are just trolling for anything you can get.

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Hm, trolling for anything I can get.  Sounds like this entire thread.