Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news

[squistion 12,499]

4 minutes ago, Courtjester said:

I kind of have to disagree on this one. ESPN, this past year, actually ran on the crawl across the bottom of their programming who was protesting. On the front page of their website, they also had a section listing the players who protested.

So I think it would be widely shown who was doing what. 

That is different. That was actually protesting on the field in front of everyone. In the locker room it is out of sight out of mind - it can't be widely shown if no one sees it (which is why the NFL has adopted this new policy). Networks are not going to give updates on that.

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is different. That was actually protesting on the field in front of everyone. In the locker room it is out of sight out of mind - it can't be widely shown if no one sees it (which is why the NFL has adopted this new policy). Networks are not going to give updates on that.

If someone stays in the locker room during the anthem you can bet your ### it will be reported 

[squistion 12,499]

2 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

If someone stays in the locker room during the anthem you can bet your ### it will be reported 

Maybe the first week or two, then after that it will be a non-story. You honestly think viewers will be waiting with bated breath for news on who stayed in the locker room? I don't think so. 

[Joe Summer 9,489]

Cowboysfan8 said:

If someone stays in the locker room during the anthem you can bet your ### it will be reported

Okay. But how will you know if they're staying in the locker room as a protest, or if they're in the locker room for another reason?

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

7 minutes ago, squistion said:

Maybe the first week or two, then after that it will be a non-story. You honestly think viewers will be waiting with bated breath for news on who stayed in the locker room? I don't think so. 

I don't think anyone was waiting with baited breath last yr, yet as was posted above, it was reported ad nauseum

[parasaurolophus 7,012]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

That is different. That was actually protesting on the field in front of everyone. In the locker room it is out of sight out of mind - it can't be widely shown if no one sees it (which is why the NFL has adopted this new policy). Networks are not going to give updates on that.

Interesting. I seem to recall people correcting me and making a point that colin wasnt on the field. Funny that all those posts say "squistion likes this"

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

1 minute ago, Joe Summer said:

Okay. But how will you know if they're staying in the locker room as a protest, or if they're in the locker room for another reason?

Well, unless they have the backyard trots, I can't think of any other reason they'd not come out except as a protest

[tjnc09 2,712]

The reporting of protests is going to be a million times worse next year.

[Joe Summer 9,489]

Cowboysfan8 said:

Well, unless they have the backyard trots, I can't think of any other reason they'd not come out except as a protest

You want to be outraged that badly?

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

4 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

You want to be outraged that badly?

What the hell are you talking about?

[squistion 12,499]

17 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Interesting. I seem to recall people correcting me and making a point that colin wasnt on the field. Funny that all those posts say "squistion likes this"

I have no idea what you are talking about. No, standing (or kneeling in this case) on the sidelines is literally not on the field of play, but that seems a distinction without a difference as far as protesting the anthem is concerned.

Perhaps your comment has to do with some saying that he was not disrupting the game itself, since this occurred before even the coinflip and that I would have agreed with.

Edited May 23, 2018 by squistion

[Joe Summer 9,489]

Cowboysfan8 said:

What the hell are you talking about?

You feel the need to label absent players as protesters, without evidence to support the claim. It's like you're looking for an excuse to be outraged.

[tjnc09 2,712]

The liberals here have this weird fascination of putting words in other people's mouths.  I guess when things start to get boring it's time to stir the pot up some.

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

22 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

You want to be outraged that badly?

What?

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

12 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

You feel the need to label absent players as protesters, without evidence to support the claim. It's like you're looking for an excuse to be outraged.

Jesus you serious Clark?

Got some examples of players in the locker room during the anthem besides the protest?

[Ruffrodys05 1,745]

3 hours ago, parasaurolophus said:

I have only been to a few football games and dont recall being in a concession line when the anthem starts, but been to tons of baseball games and stadiums. If i have ever been in line when the anthem starts the workers have always stopped serving during the anthem. I figured this was already policy.

This has been my experience as well, at pro sporting events and high school football. I never considered whether it was a policy or not. I just figured folks naturally (out of habit?) stopped what they were doing to turn in the direction of the flag, place their hand over their heart and honor our country as soon as announced/song starts.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Ruffrodys05

[Sinn Fein 33,971]

35 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Okay. But how will you know if they're staying in the locker room as a protest, or if they're in the locker room for another reason?

Pee tape?

[squistion 12,499]

42 minutes ago, Joe Summer said:

Okay. But how will you know if they're staying in the locker room as a protest, or if they're in the locker room for another reason?

Exactly, I have seen players come out late due to minor equipment issues that had to be addressed or things like getting an ankle retaped - there actually could be other reasons they don't enter the stadium with the rest of the team.

[Joe Summer 9,489]

Ramblin Wreck said:

Got some examples of players in the locker room during the anthem besides the protest?

Oh look, it's another visit from the guy who posts in every race-related thread.

[adonis 9,879]

Why do we even have to link the anthem with professional sports.  It's a recipe for idiocy.

The guys are there to play sports, not to profess their undying love for our country.

I don't have to stand for the anthem every time I go to work.

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

You feel the need to label absent players as protesters, without evidence to support the claim. It's like you're looking for an excuse to be outraged.

 

1 hour ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Jesus you serious Clark?

Got some examples of players in the locker room during the anthem besides the protest?

What wreck said.

And when have I ever expressed outrage about anyone protesting anything?

Another sewer post

[GoBirds 9,948]

2 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

 

You may see me, but I am not watching any NFL this year.

The NFL will bring back 3 fans for every one they lose from this by limiting the side circus that isn’t sure what they are protesting.....I think they will be OK. 

[Mystery Achiever 1,252]

The only directive in the policy statement is "All team and league personnel on the field shall stand and show respect for the flag and the anthem."
Who decides what constitutes showing respect? How can the players be held accountable for undefined behavior?The PA may be able to claim it is too vague to be enforceable. Also, the statement can be interpreted that not standing equals not showing respect, which is subjective.
 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Mystery Achiever

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

1 hour ago, Joe Summer said:

Oh look, it's another visit from the guy who posts in every race-related thread.

That would be no examples and an admission you over-reacted, amirite?

[adonis 9,879]

16 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

2 hours ago, Sinn Fein said:

 

You may see me, but I am not watching any NFL this year.

The NFL will bring back 3 fans for every one they lose from this by limiting the side circus that isn’t sure what they are protesting.....I think they will be OK. 

Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic.  Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

3 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic.  Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!

They aren't being forced to do anything

[GoBirds 9,948]

2 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic.  Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!

God forbid!

 

Actually they don't have to, they can do whatever they please in the locker room. Hope they have a blast.

[adonis 9,879]

4 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

7 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic.  Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!

They aren't being forced to do anything

They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem.  Right?

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

Just now, adonis said:

They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem.  Right?

Correct the league has given them a choice if they are not comfortable standing for the anthem.  

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

1 minute ago, adonis said:

They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem.  Right?

Correct the league has given them a choice if they are not comfortable standing for the anthem.  

Thereby silencing the players on this issue, and forcing them to keep quiet if they want to make a statement.  Got it.

We care so much about this country...that we'll go to extreme effort to ensure the anthem isn't tainted by folks protesting.

But once the anthem is done, our consciences are clear that we're being entertained by folks who are essentially performing barbaric activities that shorten most of their lives and impose huge health costs.

GO AMERICA!  We're so patriotic!  We stand for the anthem, and afterwards cheer for the physical destruction of our own athletes.

What a country.  Goooodddd bllleessss Ammmeeerrriiiccaaa, lannnnndddd thattt I lloooovvvveeeee.  

[squistion 12,499]

3 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Actually they don't have to, they can do whatever they please in the locker room. Hope they have a blast.

And in the 60s the leaders of the Civil Rights movement could have done whatever they pleased in their living rooms instead protesting in the streets. But the American public probably wouldn't have been aware of it, would they have? The philosophy of the NFL here is, out of sight, out of mind, and  with no one is seeing the protests covered on TV, they will probably be forgotten rather quickly, which is why the NFL is tacking this tact.

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

4 minutes ago, adonis said:

They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem.  Right?

Sure. Or they can go do something else for a living for a crap ton less money like the rest of us 

[adonis 9,879]

9 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

13 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic.  Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!

God forbid!

 

Actually they don't have to, they can do whatever they please in the locker room. Hope they have a blast.

Absolutely.  We don't want to be reminded that these beasts of our own entertainment are people with thoughts and opinions!

Shut up, and play ball.  We don't pay you to protest, we pay you to play.  Now, dance for us!

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

2 minutes ago, adonis said:

Absolutely.  We don't want to be reminded that these beasts of our own entertainment are people with thoughts and opinions!

Shut up, and play ball.  We don't pay you to protest, we pay you to play.  Now, dance for us!

Theyre at work. I'm pretty sure every single one of us has to do something we're not thrilled about to get that direct deposit.

They can protest however they want on their time off, noone is saying they can't.

 

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Cowboysfan8 said:

6 minutes ago, adonis said:

They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem.  Right?

Sure. Or they can go do something else for a living for a crap ton less money like the rest of us 

Ah yes...the old "if you don't like the rules, you can just leave" approach.

Let's not pay attention to whether something is right or wrong, or needs improving...rather, just tell people that if they have a problem with it, they can just go elsewhere.

Working on a job that pays poorly, has poor safety, has poor benefits, and abuses workers? Who's making you work here anyway, guy?  Just find another job rather than complaining!

 

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

6 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thereby silencing the players on this issue, and forcing them to keep quiet if they want to make a statement.  Got it.

We care so much about this country...that we'll go to extreme effort to ensure the anthem isn't tainted by folks protesting.

But once the anthem is done, our consciences are clear that we're being entertained by folks who are essentially performing barbaric activities that shorten most of their lives and impose huge health costs.

GO AMERICA!  We're so patriotic!  We stand for the anthem, and afterwards cheer for the physical destruction of our own athletes.

What a country.  Goooodddd bllleessss Ammmeeerrriiiccaaa, lannnnndddd thattt I lloooovvvveeeee.  

Yes, the NFL has the right to set policy for expectations of their employees.  Instead of forcing them to do something they have provided an alternative.  They have not silenced anyone as those players are free to protest as they please on their own time, correct?

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Cowboysfan8 said:

3 minutes ago, adonis said:

Absolutely.  We don't want to be reminded that these beasts of our own entertainment are people with thoughts and opinions!

Shut up, and play ball.  We don't pay you to protest, we pay you to play.  Now, dance for us!

Theyre at work. I'm pretty sure every single one of us has to do something we're not thrilled about to get that direct deposit.

They can protest however they want on their time off, noone is saying they can't.

Like I said before, I don't have to stand for the anthem every time I go to work.  It's a ridiculous part of the game, and this whole episode is absolutely bat-#### crazy.

They're there to play sports, not to be patriots - Patriots excepted.

This whole controversy is a contrived one.  Who the hell cares whether a single person kneels during a song.  He has an opinion...well let's shut it all down!  Boycott! Cable news panels.  Presidential Tweets.

Damn.

In 20 years I"m sure there will be cable channels dedicated to dumb #### Bob the town drunk says at a bar in my city.  "Breaking news: Bob talks through national anthem played on TV and then talks #### about the president.  Our panel will discuss the implications of this at 7.  Will there be boycotts of his city?  Stay tuned!"

[adonis 9,879]

1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

9 minutes ago, adonis said:

Thereby silencing the players on this issue, and forcing them to keep quiet if they want to make a statement.  Got it.

We care so much about this country...that we'll go to extreme effort to ensure the anthem isn't tainted by folks protesting.

But once the anthem is done, our consciences are clear that we're being entertained by folks who are essentially performing barbaric activities that shorten most of their lives and impose huge health costs.

GO AMERICA!  We're so patriotic!  We stand for the anthem, and afterwards cheer for the physical destruction of our own athletes.

What a country.  Goooodddd bllleessss Ammmeeerrriiiccaaa, lannnnndddd thattt I lloooovvvveeeee.  

Yes, the NFL has the right to set policy for expectations of their employees.  Instead of forcing them to do something they have provided an alternative.  They have not silenced anyone as those players are free to protest as they please on their own time, correct?

So now, whenever a player isn't out there during the anthem, are all you folks going to be making a big deal out of it? 

"I wonder if he's kneeling in the locker room?  You know that guy hates America...never going to watch another game that he's playing in!"

This whole thing is just idiotic.  Who the #### cares, really, when it comes down to it?  You watch because they guys are great athletes.  Do you really need to know what their views are on anything? Do you care? What if you knew he was a democrat/republican?  What if he thinks 15 year olds should be able to be legally married?  What if he believes in *insert questionable view*.  What if he thinks socialism is better than capitalism?

Well damn...so long as I don't know about it, I don't care.  So really all I'm protesting is that I know of a view that this person has that I disagree with.

That's where we are as a country.  It's stupid.  

And the fact that a group of rich white guys got together and decided that they'll fine anyone who doesn't stand during the anthem, and anyone who objects can sit in the locker room and think about the wrong they're doing, and that this will appease the butt-hurt fans who have had their cohesive sense of America harmed by someone deigning to object to something in the country...well damn.  I'm glad this INCREDIBLE social injustice has been resolved.

Now can we focus on things that really matter instead of this fabricated bull####?

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

5 minutes ago, adonis said:

Like I said before, I don't have to stand for the anthem every time I go to work.  It's a ridiculous part of the game, and this whole episode is absolutely bat-#### crazy.

They're there to play sports, not to be patriots - Patriots excepted.

This whole controversy is a contrived one.  Who the hell cares whether a single person kneels during a song.  He has an opinion...well let's shut it all down!  Boycott! Cable news panels.  Presidential Tweets.

Damn.

In 20 years I"m sure there will be cable channels dedicated to dumb #### Bob the town drunk says at a bar in my city.  "Breaking news: Bob talks through national anthem played on TV and then talks #### about the president.  Our panel will discuss the implications of this at 7.  Will there be boycotts of his city?  Stay tuned!"

Neither do they. They can stay in the locker room. Did you miss that part or what?

 

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

Just now, adonis said:

So now, whenever a player isn't out there during the anthem, are all you folks going to be making a big deal out of it? 

"I wonder if he's kneeling in the locker room?  You know that guy hates America...never going to watch another game that he's playing in!"

This whole thing is just idiotic.  Who the #### cares, really, when it comes down to it?  You watch because they guys are great athletes.  Do you really need to know what their views are on anything? Do you care? What if you knew he was a democrat/republican?  What if he thinks 15 year olds should be able to be legally married?  What if he believes in *insert questionable view*.  What if he thinks socialism is better than capitalism?

Well damn...so long as I don't know about it, I don't care.  So really all I'm protesting is that I know of a view that this person has that I disagree with.

That's where we are as a country.  It's stupid.  

And the fact that a group of rich white guys got together and decided that they'll fine anyone who doesn't stand during the anthem, and anyone who objects can sit in the locker room and think about the wrong they're doing, and that this will appease the butt-hurt fans who have had their cohesive sense of America harmed by someone deigning to object to something in the country...well damn.  I'm glad this INCREDIBLE social injustice has been resolved.

Now can we focus on things that really matter instead of this fabricated bull####?

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm not.  I don't recall making a big deal out of it when they were kneeling.  

And LOL that you're freaking out making this a racial issue because employees can't tell the company how they are going to behave on company time.  

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Can't speak for anyone else but I'm not.  I don't recall making a big deal out of it when they were kneeling.  

And LOL that you're freaking out making this a racial issue because employees can't tell the company how they are going to behave on company time.  

It's just idiotic.  The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.

Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players.  The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line.  The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.  

It's so...#######...ridiculous.  The...whole...thing.

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

1 minute ago, adonis said:

It's just idiotic.  The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.

Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players.  The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line.  The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.  

It's so...#######...ridiculous.  The...whole...thing.

Yes, the NFL cares about their bottom line.  All companies do.  Hell, most people do.

Correct, people do not want political nonsense interrupting their football.  

Yes, all this whining about the NFL providing more options is quite ridiculous.  Couldn't agree more.

[squistion 12,499]

1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Yes, the NFL cares about their bottom line.  All companies do.  Hell, most people do.

Correct, people do not want political nonsense interrupting their football.  

Yes, all this whining about the NFL providing more options is quite ridiculous.  Couldn't agree more.

There has yet to be one second of any NFL game interrupted by this political nonsense.  
 

[Cowboysfan8 7,634]

3 minutes ago, adonis said:

It's just idiotic.  The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.

Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players.  The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line.  The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.  

It's so...#######...ridiculous.  The...whole...thing.

This is at least the 3rd time you've brought up that it's a brutal sport where guys get hurt. Why?

Noone is forcing them to do this for a living. 

And how does that have anything to do with this topic?

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

Just now, squistion said:

There has yet to be one second of any NFL game interrupted by this political nonsense.  
 

Cool.  I didn't state the game play was interrupted.

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

3 minutes ago, adonis said:

It's just idiotic.  The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.

Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players.  The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line.  The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.  

It's so...#######...ridiculous.  The...whole...thing.

Yes, the NFL cares about their bottom line.  All companies do.  Hell, most people do.

Correct, people do not want political nonsense interrupting their football.  

Yes, all this whining about the NFL providing more options is quite ridiculous.  Couldn't agree more.

We're a nation of folks who need to have instant opinions about things they know almost nothing about...if it can piss you off, it'll be all over talk radio and cable news...and we all get plugged into the reaction factory of news and TV and we just bounce from reaction to reaction, from ill-informed opinion to opinion...and when stuff like this happens, we can pat ourselves on the back and say we're tackling the pressing issues of the day.

Today was a good day for America.  We finally resolved the issue where folks were protesting during the national anthem at a football game.

What's up next?  Climate Change?  Nuclear proliferation?  Healthcare for kids/sick?  Prescription prices?  Healthcare prices?  Prison reform?  Tax reform?  Discussions with intelligent folks about major issues?

Oh...none of that?  We're going to be talking about Trump's latest misspellings, his latest stupid nickname for an investigation he's trying to obstruct into his campaign, or perhaps crazy things his associates say or leaks that come from the WH, or maybe more misinformation from North Korea?

We're tackling all the non-issues of the day all the while ignoring the fact that our nation is almost literally crumbling around us.

[GoBirds 9,948]

24 minutes ago, adonis said:

Absolutely.  We don't want to be reminded that these beasts of our own entertainment are people with thoughts and opinions!

Shut up, and play ball.  We don't pay you to protest, we pay you to play.  Now, dance for us!

Great move by th NFL, they can express themselves all they want on Tweeter and you can have Squis repost it for you in here. Have a problem with it, you can be one of the 2 people that decide not to watch. Your choice. 

[Ramblin Wreck 13,904]

5 minutes ago, adonis said:

We're a nation of folks who need to have instant opinions about things they know almost nothing about...if it can piss you off, it'll be all over talk radio and cable news...and we all get plugged into the reaction factory of news and TV and we just bounce from reaction to reaction, from ill-informed opinion to opinion...and when stuff like this happens, we can pat ourselves on the back and say we're tackling the pressing issues of the day.

Today was a good day for America.  We finally resolved the issue where folks were protesting during the national anthem at a football game.

What's up next?  Climate Change?  Nuclear proliferation?  Healthcare for kids/sick?  Prescription prices?  Healthcare prices?  Prison reform?  Tax reform?  Discussions with intelligent folks about major issues?

Oh...none of that?  We're going to be talking about Trump's latest misspellings, his latest stupid nickname for an investigation he's trying to obstruct into his campaign, or perhaps crazy things his associates say or leaks that come from the WH, or maybe more misinformation from North Korea?

We're tackling all the non-issues of the day all the while ignoring the fact that our nation is almost literally crumbling around us.

You expect Goodell to solve climate change, nuclear proliferation, healthcare, prescription prices, and prison reform?

[adonis 9,879]

4 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

8 minutes ago, adonis said:

It's just idiotic.  The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.

Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players.  The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line.  The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.  

It's so...#######...ridiculous.  The...whole...thing.

This is at least the 3rd time you've brought up that it's a brutal sport where guys get hurt. Why?

Noone is forcing them to do this for a living. 

And how does that have anything to do with this topic?

We care more about a Trumped-up issue of not standing for the national anthem than we do for the people who play the game.

So long as they're objects, we're happy.

[adonis 9,879]

Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

You expect Goodell to solve climate change, nuclear proliferation, healthcare, prescription prices, and prison reform?

No.  Comment was about the folks getting up in arms about this stuff.