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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (7 Viewers)
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squistion
Footballguy
I have no idea what you are talking about. No, standing (or kneeling in this case) on the sidelines is literally not on the field of play, but that seems a distinction without a difference as far as protesting the anthem is concerned.
Perhaps your comment has to do with some saying that he was not disrupting the game itself, since this occurred before even the coinflip and that I would have agreed with.
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Joe Summer
Footballguy
You feel the need to label absent players as protesters, without evidence to support the claim. It's like you're looking for an excuse to be outraged.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Jesus you serious Clark?
Got some examples of players in the locker room during the anthem besides the protest?
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
This has been my experience as well, at pro sporting events and high school football. I never considered whether it was a policy or not. I just figured folks naturally (out of habit?) stopped what they were doing to turn in the direction of the flag, place their hand over their heart and honor our country as soon as announced/song starts.parasaurolophus said:
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squistion
Footballguy
Exactly, I have seen players come out late due to minor equipment issues that had to be addressed or things like getting an ankle retaped - there actually could be other reasons they don't enter the stadium with the rest of the team.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Oh look, it's another visit from the guy who posts in every race-related thread.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
What wreck said.
And when have I ever expressed outrage about anyone protesting anything?
Another sewer post
GoBirds
Footballguy
The NFL will bring back 3 fans for every one they lose from this by limiting the side circus that isn’t sure what they are protesting.....I think they will be OK.
You may see me, but I am not watching any NFL this year.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
The only directive in the policy statement is "All team and league personnel on the field shall stand and show respect for the flag and the anthem."
Who decides what constitutes showing respect? How can the players be held accountable for undefined behavior?The PA may be able to claim it is too vague to be enforceable. Also, the statement can be interpreted that not standing equals not showing respect, which is subjective.
Who decides what constitutes showing respect? How can the players be held accountable for undefined behavior?The PA may be able to claim it is too vague to be enforceable. Also, the statement can be interpreted that not standing equals not showing respect, which is subjective.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
Thank God our country's athletes are being forced to be patriotic. Now I can watch them beat the hell out of each other and shorten their lifespans for my own entertainment with a clear conscience!The NFL will bring back 3 fans for every one they lose from this by limiting the side circus that isn’t sure what they are protesting.....I think they will be OK.
You may see me, but I am not watching any NFL this year.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
God forbid!
Actually they don't have to, they can do whatever they please in the locker room. Hope they have a blast.
adonis
Footballguy
They're being forced to either stand during anthem, or remain off the field during the anthem. Right?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Correct the league has given them a choice if they are not comfortable standing for the anthem.
adonis
Footballguy
Thereby silencing the players on this issue, and forcing them to keep quiet if they want to make a statement. Got it.
We care so much about this country...that we'll go to extreme effort to ensure the anthem isn't tainted by folks protesting.
But once the anthem is done, our consciences are clear that we're being entertained by folks who are essentially performing barbaric activities that shorten most of their lives and impose huge health costs.
GO AMERICA! We're so patriotic! We stand for the anthem, and afterwards cheer for the physical destruction of our own athletes.
What a country. Goooodddd bllleessss Ammmeeerrriiiccaaa, lannnnndddd thattt I lloooovvvveeeee.
squistion
Footballguy
And in the 60s the leaders of the Civil Rights movement could have done whatever they pleased in their living rooms instead protesting in the streets. But the American public probably wouldn't have been aware of it, would they have? The philosophy of the NFL here is, out of sight, out of mind, and with no one is seeing the protests covered on TV, they will probably be forgotten rather quickly, which is why the NFL is tacking this tact.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Sure. Or they can go do something else for a living for a crap ton less money like the rest of us
adonis
Footballguy
Absolutely. We don't want to be reminded that these beasts of our own entertainment are people with thoughts and opinions!God forbid!
Actually they don't have to, they can do whatever they please in the locker room. Hope they have a blast.
Shut up, and play ball. We don't pay you to protest, we pay you to play. Now, dance for us!
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Theyre at work. I'm pretty sure every single one of us has to do something we're not thrilled about to get that direct deposit.
They can protest however they want on their time off, noone is saying they can't.
adonis
Footballguy
Ah yes...the old "if you don't like the rules, you can just leave" approach.
Let's not pay attention to whether something is right or wrong, or needs improving...rather, just tell people that if they have a problem with it, they can just go elsewhere.
Working on a job that pays poorly, has poor safety, has poor benefits, and abuses workers? Who's making you work here anyway, guy? Just find another job rather than complaining!
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yes, the NFL has the right to set policy for expectations of their employees. Instead of forcing them to do something they have provided an alternative. They have not silenced anyone as those players are free to protest as they please on their own time, correct?
adonis
Footballguy
Like I said before, I don't have to stand for the anthem every time I go to work. It's a ridiculous part of the game, and this whole episode is absolutely bat-#### crazy.
They're there to play sports, not to be patriots - Patriots excepted.
This whole controversy is a contrived one. Who the hell cares whether a single person kneels during a song. He has an opinion...well let's shut it all down! Boycott! Cable news panels. Presidential Tweets.
Damn.
In 20 years I"m sure there will be cable channels dedicated to dumb #### Bob the town drunk says at a bar in my city. "Breaking news: Bob talks through national anthem played on TV and then talks #### about the president. Our panel will discuss the implications of this at 7. Will there be boycotts of his city? Stay tuned!"
adonis
Footballguy
So now, whenever a player isn't out there during the anthem, are all you folks going to be making a big deal out of it?
"I wonder if he's kneeling in the locker room? You know that guy hates America...never going to watch another game that he's playing in!"
This whole thing is just idiotic. Who the #### cares, really, when it comes down to it? You watch because they guys are great athletes. Do you really need to know what their views are on anything? Do you care? What if you knew he was a democrat/republican? What if he thinks 15 year olds should be able to be legally married? What if he believes in *insert questionable view*. What if he thinks socialism is better than capitalism?
Well damn...so long as I don't know about it, I don't care. So really all I'm protesting is that I know of a view that this person has that I disagree with.
That's where we are as a country. It's stupid.
And the fact that a group of rich white guys got together and decided that they'll fine anyone who doesn't stand during the anthem, and anyone who objects can sit in the locker room and think about the wrong they're doing, and that this will appease the butt-hurt fans who have had their cohesive sense of America harmed by someone deigning to object to something in the country...well damn. I'm glad this INCREDIBLE social injustice has been resolved.
Now can we focus on things that really matter instead of this fabricated bull####?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Can't speak for anyone else but I'm not. I don't recall making a big deal out of it when they were kneeling.
And LOL that you're freaking out making this a racial issue because employees can't tell the company how they are going to behave on company time.
adonis
Footballguy
It's just idiotic. The NFL has lost a ton of money from folks...lapel pin patriots...who are deeply offended by all of this, and the latest action is an attempt to regain dollars lost...err...I mean to show their appreciation for their country.
Everyone is doing a stupid song and dance except for the players. The owners pretend they care about the flag, but they only care about their bottom line. The people boycotting couldn't care less about patriotism, they just don't want an opposing view shoved in their face when they are tuning into watching people beat the #### out of each other for their own entertainment.
It's so...#######...ridiculous. The...whole...thing.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Yes, the NFL cares about their bottom line. All companies do. Hell, most people do.
Correct, people do not want political nonsense interrupting their football.
Yes, all this whining about the NFL providing more options is quite ridiculous. Couldn't agree more.
squistion
Footballguy
There has yet to be one second of any NFL game interrupted by this political nonsense.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
This is at least the 3rd time you've brought up that it's a brutal sport where guys get hurt. Why?
Noone is forcing them to do this for a living.
And how does that have anything to do with this topic?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
adonis
Footballguy
We're a nation of folks who need to have instant opinions about things they know almost nothing about...if it can piss you off, it'll be all over talk radio and cable news...and we all get plugged into the reaction factory of news and TV and we just bounce from reaction to reaction, from ill-informed opinion to opinion...and when stuff like this happens, we can pat ourselves on the back and say we're tackling the pressing issues of the day.
Today was a good day for America. We finally resolved the issue where folks were protesting during the national anthem at a football game.
What's up next? Climate Change? Nuclear proliferation? Healthcare for kids/sick? Prescription prices? Healthcare prices? Prison reform? Tax reform? Discussions with intelligent folks about major issues?
Oh...none of that? We're going to be talking about Trump's latest misspellings, his latest stupid nickname for an investigation he's trying to obstruct into his campaign, or perhaps crazy things his associates say or leaks that come from the WH, or maybe more misinformation from North Korea?
We're tackling all the non-issues of the day all the while ignoring the fact that our nation is almost literally crumbling around us.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Great move by th NFL, they can express themselves all they want on Tweeter and you can have Squis repost it for you in here. Have a problem with it, you can be one of the 2 people that decide not to watch. Your choice.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You expect Goodell to solve climate change, nuclear proliferation, healthcare, prescription prices, and prison reform?
adonis
Footballguy
We care more about a Trumped-up issue of not standing for the national anthem than we do for the people who play the game.
So long as they're objects, we're happy.
adonis
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
There needs to be something to complain about at all times, Roger is an easy target.
adonis
Footballguy
I don't watch the NFL anymore. Just like I don't watch boxing. I don't watch MMA.
Same reason I think the ancient romans were barbarians for crowding in an arena and watching gladiators fight lions to the death. Different scale, but same idea.
I don't enjoy watching folks seriously harm themselves for my entertainment.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
People were up in arms? Other than those triggered that Kaepernick isn't good enough to play in the NFL?
Only people I see up in arms today or those that think the players run the NFL.
adonis
Footballguy
Yes. We as a nation are hooked on outrage, and whatever the latest outrage we're fed, gets the brunt of our attention and aggression. Trump focused everyone on the NFL, and the NFL lost a lot of money because of it, so they had to do something.
It's stupid, it's petty, people lost jobs because of it, tons lost money. And it's all idiotic. Real problems are being ignored because this kind of stuff is easy to get outraged about, and we move from this to something else that doesn't matter, while the country crumbles.
adonis
Footballguy
How many folks boycotted the NFL? How many folks were talking about how they hate this stuff? Op-eds, letters to editors, from folks seriously upset that someone dared to attack this country by kneeling.
Plenty of folks were angry at the NFL, at folks protesting during the anthem, at teams who supported players.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jason WhitlockVerified account @WhitlockJason 7h7 hours ago
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Jason Whitlock Retweeted Timothy Martin
Chuck is right. It's not going to work. NBA players are not being goaded by woke and social media every day to protest on the job.
Jason Whitlock added,
Timothy Martin @cruisecellar
Replying to @WhitlockJason
@chucktodd is sure this won’t work. Funny how it has worked for NBA for years!
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Jason Whitlock Retweeted Timothy Martin
Chuck is right. It's not going to work. NBA players are not being goaded by woke and social media every day to protest on the job.
Jason Whitlock added,
Timothy Martin @cruisecellar
Replying to @WhitlockJason
@chucktodd is sure this won’t work. Funny how it has worked for NBA for years!
jomar
Footballguy
crazy to think that anyone cares about what everyone else is doing during the National Anthem. it isn't like he's shouting during the song, he's quietly kneeling. if this offends you, I'd say that's your issue. anyway, you're supposed to be paying attention to the anthem while deep in thought about our servicemen and women, not watching what other people are doing.
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