Doug B
Footballguy
This stands to reason -- Kaepernick could win the collusion case and STILL not ever be signed by a team. Cut him his check and send him on his way.
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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (7 Viewers)
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Doug B
Footballguy
All that has to happen is for both teams to agree beforehand that both squads will have at least one player kneel and therefore take offsetting penalties.
squistion
Footballguy
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 21m21 minutes ago
The NFL owners are still discussing options for how to proceed on the national anthem. One possible solution involves allowing players who may protest to stay in the locker room. Not perfect but a compromise.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/999292955709116416
The NFL owners are still discussing options for how to proceed on the national anthem. One possible solution involves allowing players who may protest to stay in the locker room. Not perfect but a compromise.
https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/999292955709116416
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
DL @davelozo
I would have made it a 63-yard penalty — a yard for every star and stripe. But I guess I love America and The Troops more than the NFL owners.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I wonder if this would get past the union. Technically the player wouldnt be punished for kneeling, but I think an easy argument would be made that it still serves as some sort of punishment pointed at the individual player. They would have to probably make sure that the flag isnt discussed and that the offending player is not named publicly.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Is this now the ***Official National Anthem Thread***?
NFL approves new policy for anthem
- players must stand and show appropriate respect (whatever that means) during the anthem
- players can choose to remain in the locker room or a similar location off the field
- players that sit during the anthem will not be flagged with a penalty, but both players and teams can be fined or otherwise disciplined.
NFL approves new policy for anthem
- players must stand and show appropriate respect (whatever that means) during the anthem
- players can choose to remain in the locker room or a similar location off the field
- players that sit during the anthem will not be flagged with a penalty, but both players and teams can be fined or otherwise disciplined.
timschochet
Footballguy
Patriotism isn’t something you should have to impose by force. If you’re spending time trying to figure out how best to penalize people who aren’t standing for the national Anthem, then there’s a problem: not with the people kneeling, but with those trying to punish them.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Unfortunately we'll never know, they went with another policy that they apparently didn't talk to the union about.
RIP amazing 15 yard penalty proposal.
squistion
Footballguy
Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 40m40 minutes ago
This was unanimously adopted by the teams, Roger Goodell said. “We want people to stand. We do believe that moment is important to focus on.” Also added he wanted to give players options.
squistion
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/RumfordJohnny/status/999305503745470464
Dear @NFL,
1. The anthem should be played before the players come out of the tunnel. It’s a fan thing.
2. Play pump up song, players run out of the tunnel.
3. Coin toss. Game is played.
4. The END.
Dear @NFL,
1. The anthem should be played before the players come out of the tunnel. It’s a fan thing.
2. Play pump up song, players run out of the tunnel.
3. Coin toss. Game is played.
4. The END.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
It would have been great if the penalties were cumulative, and the referees had to spend an extra 10 minutes every game calculating the net yardage. "Okay, the 49ers had 22 players kneeling, so that's a 330 yard penalty, but the Rams had 19 players kneeling, so we subtract 285........carry the one......and......that's a 45 yard penalty."
squistion
Footballguy
Benjamin Allbright @AllbrightNFL 12h12 hours ago
1. The NFL made over $14 billion last year. Nearly a billion MORE than the year before. It is not losing money.
2. TV ratings as a whole have plummeted. When you compare the NFL to them, NFL (which has 18 of the top 25 shows this yr, & 37 of the top 50 last yr) is actually up.
1. The NFL made over $14 billion last year. Nearly a billion MORE than the year before. It is not losing money.
2. TV ratings as a whole have plummeted. When you compare the NFL to them, NFL (which has 18 of the top 25 shows this yr, & 37 of the top 50 last yr) is actually up.
timschochet
Footballguy
One of the books I am currently reading is High Noon about the Hollywood Blacklist era. There are strong parallels between these NFL owners and the Hollywood studio heads back then: cowardly, terrified that they’re going to lose their share of the golden goose, eagerly willing to pander to the basest wishes of the public mood in order to “prove”’ their own patriotism.
History will not look kindly on these owners any more than it did on those Hollywood executives of 60 years ago.
History will not look kindly on these owners any more than it did on those Hollywood executives of 60 years ago.
The Frankman
Footballguy
The most hilarious thing about this ruling is that it doesn't address anything at all... it doesn't address WHY the players are protesting at all (you know, the whole point of the protest), and it doesn't "fix" the issue of people being offended that the players were kneeling. Wonder how offended those people will be when the players don't come out for the anthem at all.
OH THE MORAL INDIGNITY OF IT ALL
OH THE MORAL INDIGNITY OF IT ALL
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timschochet
Footballguy
Which is why I compared it to the blacklist- because the “solution” is the same- remove the offending players from sight. Scare the rest into complying. Don’t address any issues, just make the whole thing go away.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Luv 2 side with billionaires who screw over fans with ridiculous ticket/parking/concession prices and exclusive broadcasting deals designed the squeeze every last dollar out of already guaranteed massive profits over the players who risk disfigurement and brain damage to entertain us and receive a relative pittance of those profits.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nobody is forcing NFL owners to own a team or to play the anthem before games or to have a dumb policy about it. What's your point?
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Addressing why the protests are happening isn't the responsibility of NFL owners. Their responsibility is to continuing their business and profitability. Whether you agree that their is an issue with police and race or you don't, neither side of that debate is their concern. I doubt anyone much cares if players choose to stay inside for the anthem and the owners appear to have calculated that.
If you were a business owner you'd have the same view, do what is right for your business and even if you agree with the protests, you support or help that cause in another manner. Anyone who wouldn't do the same would never be in a spot to make that decision because to be successful you prioritize your business and take care of it or you never grow it. That's not to say you can't agree or disagree with any issue, but your business should be agnostic so to speak. Then if it is thriving you have the resources to devote to a cause if you choose to.
Shula-holic
Footballguy
Probably that the term owner means they call the shots on policy. Do you make your company policy or do your superiors? You choose to abide by it or else. You don't have to like it, but you live by those rules every day you show up to a job.
squistion
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/999336707869827072
Keith Boykin Retweeted NFLPA
"The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new 'policy.'"
- NFL Players Association
Keith Boykin Retweeted NFLPA
"The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new 'policy.'"
- NFL Players Association
jonessed
Footballguy
None.
There will be some that stay in the locker room though and that’s their prerogative. Seems like a decent solution to putting game time focus back on the game while not forcing players to stand.
Those that have issues they wish to protest are free to organize in their off-time.
squistion
Footballguy
Sage Rosenfels @SageRosenfels18 54m
I hope the NFL decides to completely stop all concession stand sales during the anthem as well. We wouldn’t want people buying a $10 beer and an $8 hot dog during our sacred anthem.
All TV camera crews must stop filming and direct attention at the flag too. Just seems fair.
jonessed
Footballguy
It’s not their issue to address. If players have a problem with police they can address it in their free time.
squistion is going to be copy/pasting tweets for the next 10 hours. TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's correct. But that doesn't make it right.
Another big difference here is that if my boss made rules I didn't like, I could go to work for a competitor. That competition helps to ensure that employers accommodate labor, particularly labor that they value and cannot easily replace. Here all of the competitors are colluding on rules for their employees for their collective benefit. If you are one of the best football players in America you don't have the same options you would have if you were one of the best programmers or doctors or investment bankers in America. Sure you can go play for a relative pittance in another league, but that's not the same thing that's available in other industries thanks in large part to the NFL's ability to exercise monopoly power.
If they truly wanted to make the NFL labor market resemble the free market for labor we see in other industries they'd let each team decide on their own anthem policy. But they won't do that, and I think we all know why.
jonessed
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I assume the Ravens will be kicking out every Baltimore fan who yells "O" in the middle of the anthem tribute to the Orioles. Doesn't get much more disrespectful than interrupting the national anthem's dramatic penultimate line because you want to show your love for a baseball team. At least the players are distracting from the anthem to protest injustice, not to glorify an organization that gave a 30-year-old Chris Davis 161 million dollars.
Sage Rosenfels @SageRosenfels18 54m
I hope the NFL decides to completely stop all concession stand sales during the anthem as well. We wouldn’t want people buying a $10 beer and an $8 hot dog during our sacred anthem.
All TV camera crews must stop filming and direct attention at the flag too. Just seems fair.
squistion
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Apparently one of them will!
Sage Rosenfels @SageRosenfels18 54m
I hope the NFL decides to completely stop all concession stand sales during the anthem as well. We wouldn’t want people buying a $10 beer and an $8 hot dog during our sacred anthem.
All TV camera crews must stop filming and direct attention at the flag too. Just seems fair.
Kudos to the 49ers for actually taking a principled position.
Joe Summer
Footballguy
They should also close the bathrooms and the concourses and make sure that all fans stand at attention and face the flag during the anthem. It's really disrespectful to have people walking around when the nation is being honored. Fans who are caught disrespecting the flag should have their seat licenses revoked, or in the very least should be forced to attend flag etiquette re-education classes.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If the players really want to get their point across/expose obvious owner and fan hypocrisy, I really think they should push the owners to shut down concessions. And deride them as insufficiently patriotic if they refuse to do so.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I have only been to a few football games and dont recall being in a concession line when the anthem starts, but been to tons of baseball games and stadiums. If i have ever been in line when the anthem starts the workers have always stopped serving during the anthem. I figured this was already policy.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
a big shout to Kap for setting this into motion - THANK YOU !!!
lots his millions of year job AND changed the NFL .... man he whacked some multiple birds with that stone for sure !
lots his millions of year job AND changed the NFL .... man he whacked some multiple birds with that stone for sure !
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Interesting. I've had the opposite experience and I go to probably 30-40 MLB/NBA games a year, so it's definitely not policy everywhere. And I'm guessing it's probably not policy at most NFL games, which have fewer opportunities for people to line up for concessions during the game. But I'm not sure.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Every place is different. I've been to some places where people just continue on with whatever they're doing. I was at a Cubs/Cardinals game at Busch Stadium a couple weeks ago and I noticed the concession stands actually stopped serving during it. I choose to stop because that's what I like to do. If someone else wants to ignore I think that's perfectly fine as well. Me choosing to pay attention to the anthem is what makes it special for me. The moment I feel forced to do it is the moment I will no longer feel proud to support it.
I believe either the Yankees or Mets would specifically prevent fans from moving during the National Anthem or God Bless America after 9/11.
This isn't new except that now people complain about everything.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
Sounds like complaining to me. Thanks for being part of the problem and not part of the solution
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
There’s a difference between a paying customer and an employee. Lots of fans sat during the anthem this year at NFL games. We saw lots of pictures of it on social media. I’m not aware of any team taking any action to try and stop the actions of any paying customer on their own time. Likely some ownership groups even agree with it. That doesn’t mean their business gets involved.
timschochet
Footballguy
I think most do understand it. Nobody is questioning the Owners' right to do this (though they may have some kind of agreement with the players' union, but that's a separate issue.)
I just think that it's a bad move.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
We need to a name change on the thread to Ridiculously stupid False Equivalencies
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