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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (8 Viewers)
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squistion
Footballguy
No more sad or pathetic than the attacks on Kaep and the other players who knelt during the anthem.
And the bottom line is that Dak is probably thinking of his second contract and money, more than, let's say, any social issues involved - as his original contract has two years to go and The Cowboys got him for practically nothing:
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/
Dak Prescott signed a 4 year, $2,723,393 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $383,393 signing bonus, $383,393 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $680,848. In 2018, Prescott will earn a base salary of $630,000, while carrying a cap hit of $725,848 and a dead cap value of $191,697.
Ketamine Dreams
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It is not about me. This is about Dak and you should respect his feelings on the topic.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Doubling down on attacking Dak for his beliefs now. Guess everyone isn’t supportive of everyone’s rights.
squistion
Footballguy
Just because he plays in the NFL? I respect the right to express his opinion but being the Cowboys starting QB doesn't make him immune from criticism.
If you are going to trot out Dak as some sort of hero, it should be pointed out he has done absolutely nothing or even made any public statements before this as to any of the issues raised by the protests of social/racial injustice or the oppression of people of color.
His beliefs? He sounds to me like a guy trying to have it both ways. Saying "Yes, Master" and marching like a good soldier for Jerry, but also trying to tell his black brothers that he's stands with them. I realize he's in a tough position, but he's probably best served by just keeping his mouth shut.
Da Guru
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Why should he be criticized at all? I am not trotting him out as a hero..just pointing out that there are many different opinions on the topic. So you are attacking Dak because he does not agree with that form of protest..you need to try and be tolerant of others views.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
What’s the basis for saying that Dak Prescott is being used as a prop? Is the suggestion that Mr. Prescott hasn’t formed or isn’t expressing his own thoughts on the matter and shouldn’t be taken seriously? That seems inappropriately dismissive.
On a side note, I think it’s weird to describe Jones as Prescott’s owner rather than as the Cowboys’ owner. It’s common in sports, but still weird. If I worked for Facebook, would anyone say that Mark Zuckerberg was my owner?
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Da Guru
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
msommer
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
I don't get that argument. What does the percentage of African American blood have to do with this? If you are not 100% black or of mixed race, then you can't speak out about racism or discrimination against black people or other minorities?
I don't believe that Kaepernick should be taken less seriously in his kneeling protest because he is "half white".
Da Guru
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
So you support Kappy for doing what he believes is correct..but you don`t support Dak for doing the exact same thing? Puzzling at best...intolerant at worst.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
That makes absolutely no sense and is irrelevant and non-responsive to what I said and the questions I asked:
What does Kaep or Dak's mixed race heritage have to do with the anthem kneeling protest or speaking out against it? You keep repeatedly calling them half white which has absolutely nothing to do with the Kaep's anthem protest or Dak's stance against it.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Stop deflecting. You brought race into this discussion yet again in reference to Prescott when you posted:
"The black athletes who were used to discredit Muhammad Ali were held up temporarily as heroes only to be forgotten in history. Dak being used as a prop against Kaepernick standing next to his owner is embarrassing, yet predictable"
You also tried to insinuate that his stance is based on his contract/salary as if he isn't allowed to think for himself and take whatever stance he wants.
squistion
Footballguy
I am not deflecting. I still want to know what the percentage of African American blood Dak and Kaep have, as anything to do with this discussion. Could you please explain why being "half white" rather than 75% black or 100% black is relevant to anything either Dak or Kaep have said or done?
The quote was talking about black athletes being used to discredit Muhammad Ali. Dak and Kaep are both considered black athletes by most observers and I have no idea why being of mixed race is relevant to anything that has been discussed in this thread. Dak is being held up by many conservative media outlets (see Fox News) as some sort of hero for speaking out against Kaep and the protests, so it is analogous to what happened to Ali.
I do believe his stance is motivated by his thinking ahead to his second contract. That doesn't mean I believe that he isn't allowed to think or speak for himself. Of course he is free to take whatever public stance that he wants and I am sure is fully allowed to do so by Jerry Jones - but the downside is that Jones may not elect to resign him in two years if he doesn't publically and enthusiastically back Jones stance on the Anthem.
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I didn’t bring race into this so I’m not answering questions of things I didn’t say.
I don’t know why you consider a guy that is half white a “black athlete”. Does it round up to black when it’s 50/50? Why does it even matter?
squistion
Footballguy
It doesn't, but perhaps you should direct your question to this guy who keeps bringing up so he must think it does matter.
And if you don't consider Kaep or Dak as being black athletes, well, OK. I am not sure how to respond to that outside of that we must have different visual perceptions (maybe it like that dress photo where some saw a white/gold dress, others black/blue).
However Kaep has talked about being discriminated against growing up because he was perceived as being black (which is what really counts, not what your racial percentage mixture is) and Dak while calling himself mixed race, said this in one interview:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-cowboys-dak-prescott-20170110-story.html
"I was put in all those different situations. I've been in situations where I was the only black guy."
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
You made the post about black athletes and brought race here yet again. I don’t care what race someone is who stands, sits, kneels or whatever.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
You bring race into everything. Forget that they are both half white...Dak is his own man so you should respect him for his stance regardless of what it is..he is not controlled by Kappy or Omar. Dak feels that standing for the NA is the right thing to do...so be it.
squistion
Footballguy
How can we forget it when you have brought it up repeatedly in this thread? If you want us to forget they are half white, then stop mentioning it. Very simple
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
There was no mention of half white until you brought up race talking about black athletes.
squistion
Footballguy
Dak Prescott by attacking the Anthem protests was attacking those who participated in them (which were like 95% black athletes) and this was considered similar to the attack by black athletes of Mohammad Ali to discredit him by suggesting that even black people didn't support him.
The half white references by Da Guru was in response to that and neither he, nor you nor anyone else has been able to explain why the percentage of African American blood either Dak or Kaep have, has anything to do with the legitimacy of the issues they have raised.
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
How do you get there from this?
"I respect what all those guys believe in," Prescott said. "If they believe it's going to make a change and it's going to make a difference then power to them. "
squistion
Footballguy
Dak Prescott:
"I will never protest during the national anthem, and I don't think that's the time or the venue to do so
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
He's expressing an opinion. He's saying I don't think that's the way to go, but if they do, then power to them . I don't see that as an attack or even disrespect.
squistion
Footballguy
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Okay, but so I understand your position, what do you think his obligation is to those protesting players if it is contrary to his views? (And, for these purposes, can we just stipulate that it is his real belied and he isn't supporting Jones to get a contract?)
Prescott is attacking the protesters to about the same extent that the protesters are attacking cops.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Not us..you.
Because you posted a comment about black athletes. Technically he is not black. He is half white half black. Do you support Dak for being his own man and speaking up as to why?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
squistion
Footballguy
:sigh:
So technically he can't speak out, as one who is only half white and half black, instead of being 100% black on minority issues?
Do you really want to go there?
Are his anthem protests not illegitimate because he is half black? We can only hear from 100% black people (whatever that is) on this issue. Really?
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Anybody can speak out and Dak has. Do you support Dak for being his own man and having his own opinions on the topic or not?
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squistion
Footballguy
Of course, but that has absolutely nothing to do with his racial mixture of 20% 40% 60% 75% 81% 91% 100% being black (and how exactly does anyone call someone 100% black?).
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Da Guru
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Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
I just want to comment about “black athletes being used to discredit Muhammad Ali”: yes that happened. But in the most famous case of it, Joe Frazier in 1969, it was just as much the other way around. It was Ali who cast Frazier in the role of “Uncle Tom”. Frazier got angry and started calling him Clay, which brought many white conservatives at the time to his side, but that wasn’t his intent. Frazier was mistreated by Ali, and in fact by many liberals who supported Ali.
It kind of seemed like Omar Suleiman was implying that Prescott shouldn't have spoken up precisely because he is black.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
It really did not matter what the white folks thought....Ali tried to humiliate and degrade Joe Frazier to the black community by calling him and portraying him as an "Uncle Tom" when in reality Joe was just a hard working boxer/man trying to better himself and his family. Frazier was an easy target because he did not have the gift of gab that Ali possessed.
Ali did see the mistake of his ways in his later years and apologized to Frazier multiple times.
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