UncleZen
Footballguy
So you walk out into your garage and notice you have a flat tire. You look on the ground next to your tire and you see a wet, broken box of nails on the ground. In your world, the nails are the problem and we should ban nails.
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Gr00vus
Footballguy
If the sole purpose of nails was to cause flat tires, yes. But that's not the case, so your analogy is poor and does not support the point you'd like to make, as is the case with most analogies to guns.
-fish-
Footballguy
UncleZen
Footballguy
Actually, it's one of the standard analogies to teach people how to do actual root cause and corrective action instead of just latching onto what seems like the easy answer.
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
This thread is already overfilled with people using crappy analogies to create straw men. I suggest a different tactic.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
It may be, but it fails as analogy in this case, for the reason I gave, which you did not address.
-fish-
Footballguy
UncleZen
Footballguy
I'm sorry the logic eludes you guys. The analogy is not to compare guns to nails but to show you that you have to dig deeper to find the source of the problem here. Taking away guns is not going to prevent mass killings. You have to find the reason why these people are going off the deep end and try and repair that.
msommer
Footballguy
It would really help if you read the other 141 pages of this thread. We've been down this road before
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dozer
Footballguy
And if footballs had feathers I could doghouse my dinner plate. What the hell are you talking about?
Guns, people. We’re talking about guns.
In the words of Marty Shottenheimer:
FOCUS!!
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
I don’t speak for everyone here, but I’m going to go out on a limb and say taking away guns would go a long way towards reducing the number of school shootings.
Countries around the world that have reduced access to guns have had a lot of success reducing mass killings.
timschochet
Footballguy
My question: If we make the sales of new AR-15s illegal, what’s to stop us from installing a totalitarian dictatorship along the lines of 1984??
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
You're in a desert walking along in the sand when all of the sudden you look down and you see a tortoise...it's crawling towards you. You reach down, you flip the tortoise over on its back.
The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun beating its legs trying to turn itself over but it can't, not without your help, but you're not helping.
dozer
Footballguy
Compromise:
We only take half the guns, AND we address the mental health issues.
I still get to shoot the water moccasins in my pond, KC can still shoot Bambi, and some psychotherapist can write a book about Stealthy’s delicate gun fetish.
You’re welcome America. Toby Keith will probably write a song about me.
We only take half the guns, AND we address the mental health issues.
I still get to shoot the water moccasins in my pond, KC can still shoot Bambi, and some psychotherapist can write a book about Stealthy’s delicate gun fetish.
You’re welcome America. Toby Keith will probably write a song about me.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
If there’s a dead guy’s head on that tortoise, I’m getting the #### out of there.
-fish-
Footballguy
Please explain how every civilized nation putting tighter restrictions on guns has resulted in less gun violence. Is that a coincidence? You want to stop gun violence? Reduce the availability of guns. It’s not that hard to understand, and it doesn’t rely on any false equivalency or logical fallacy. Guns are, in fact, the leading problem in the issue of gun violence.
-fish-
Footballguy
Cheese and Crackers
Footballguy
Speaking for myself as a non gun owner, you are correct, any hypothetical ban would cost me nothing.
It would inconvenience you, and you think that is unfair.
Sometimes the nation calls on certain individuals to make a sacrifice for the greater good.
Are you not willing to do that?
Henry Ford
Footballguy
If I had kids, I don’t know if I could do it these days. Drop them off and just hope it’s not their school today.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Speaking as a gun owner, I’ll hand over every semiautomatic gun, every holster, every accessory, and every cartridge and I’ll thank our lawmakers for their service to our country.
-fish-
Footballguy
It sucks. It sucks when my daughter has to practice not getting murdered once a month. It sucks explaining why we as a country refuse to stop it, and why politicians are corrupt and cowardly. It sucks that she realizes that most people have guns for no purpose other than recreation, and that’s more important than the lives of her and her classmates.
Ruffrodys05
IBL Representative
He is not, and that is very crystal clear. As it is with quite a bit of America. It's a selfish, me-first, mentality and it's gripping the nation. No real or true concern for others.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
how do you determine who you can and cannot sell to ?
can you trade and barter? give them ? I mean I'm not against that line of thought, its just impossible to impose it and does nothing to help people taking/stealing guns
BTW - it looks like the two campus officers did confront the shooter
Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas said two police officers had been on the campus at the time at the attack — as envisioned by the school’s safety plan — and that they were “able to confront the shooter early on in the process.”
Stealthycat
Footballguy
but its very relevant
if we could gut other amendments so that the Govt could do a much better job of finding these kinds of people and saving lives, isn't it worth it ? if just one life were saved, isn't it worth you giving up some of your Constitutional freedoms ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
hey, I wasn't the one saying vote Democrat and solve problems
I was just pointing out that we HAD a Democrat for 8 years and this school shooting thing escalated under him
and I'm supposed to think voting Democrat again will solve things?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
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bicycling is more dangerous FYI, so is choking
sho nuff
Footballguy
And logic alludes you as well.
This has been said over and over and over again...nobody is outbclaiming we can stop all mass shootings. We want to make it more difficult for people to obtain weapons to kill mass numbers of people.
We want more layers to catch a person before it happens. To lessen the damage they can inflict.
Amd talking about those measures does not ignore other issues of mental health and so on...those things are being advocated for as well. It’s not an either/or situation. Solutions to both are needed.
-fish-
Footballguy
So two (some reports say 3) armed security officers limited the damage to 10 deaths. Is that a success in your mind? Or is it more proof that ideas like arming teachers are simply idiotic?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
you treat the core problem to save lives apalmer
the core problem with DUI is exactly that we allow alcohol and cars to be sold and people to drive them, and there are millions who did it illegally every year. Now, we COULD place breathalizers in every car .... blow to start, but that's much an inconvenience to the law abiding people isn't it ?
what else can we do to stop drunk drivers? we could make cars that go no more than 25 mph ..... that way if drunks DID hit someone, it was drastically reduce killing someone. but again people don't want to give up their fast to save lives, do they ?
-fish-
Footballguy
Why are you unable to stay on topic? Your arguments read like a poster for the NRA.
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
Anti-gun people are the ones saying banning AR15's stop's people like this from killing a bunch more and calls that a success, not me.
I wish they'd have killed this guy fast and nobody died
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
NREC34
Footballguy
All the praying that’s been done and god hasn’t done anything yet. What an ####### he is.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
-fish-
Footballguy
Nobody was posting about alcohol cars or DUIs. These are deflections. It’s no. 1 in the NRA hit parade, but that doesn’t make it valid
-fish-
Footballguy
Look at the author of that opinion piece:
Chris Cox is the executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
The "assault by gun" figure is more concerning to me, frankly. I wish our reactions to those dealths would be at least a tiny fraction to what it is to mass shooting. That might result in real change.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
the liberal mind cannot understand that
ban ban ban ban ban ban ban
you see the mentality right here - its was for 100 pages ban AR15's and high cap magazines and bump stocks - do that the left says, they don't want to ban all guns
yesterday a 17 year old wacko kills with a shotgun and now its ban all semi-auto guns
tomorrow, a person uses a single shot to kill 25 kids and they'll demand all single shots banned
its a progression and every time, its ban something else and totally ignore the core problem
I mean look, its simple here. For 100's of years every house pretty much had guns. Kids had access to guns, easy access. In the 1940's kids too guns to school in many places. In 1980's we STILL took guns to school in our trucks in rural America. More guns were in homes then than now.
If guns were the problem why wasn't kids killing kids and people killing kids back then ?
There has been a massive spike in the last 20 years - and the more restrictions on guns are not doing a damn thing because the type of weapon is NOT the problem ! These people are the problem
adonis
Footballguy
What's the leading cause of death for students in classrooms?
It's nice that you cited statistics that show "heart disease" as the number 1 killer, but somehow I think that more school aged children die as victims of guns than heart disease.
Slow down your roll a bit, and try to think this through.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
the leading cause is people killing other people
can we please, please ban that ?
you were wanting to talk about how brave people were to go to school - a places less likely to die than many other places and things we do in life. Schools are very very safe overall, don't make it look like a killing field, it isn't. It DOES need to stop, absolutely. But over dramatizing things to try and make a point is easily seen by everyone and doesn't help the anti-gun cause
Stealthycat
Footballguy
link ?
I'm curious, do you think our military and police should have guns? Hollywood actors? NFL and NBA players?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
if I seriously thought it would make a difference I'd consider it.
would you give up your right to privacy to help? waive your kids rights? Would you agree to laws that let police come into your home without a warrant? you know, its an inconvenience, but a sacrifice to a greater good right?
what are some other things you personally would give up to save human lives?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
send me a PM and I'll have my FFL guy send your FFL guy the information and you can ship to me, k ?
I'll help you become gun free
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