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Ditkaless Wonders said:
It's weird.  I swear it is the same bear every year.  It is the same denning site.  that said from what I know of black bears from my boyhood in Wisconsin the females usually keep their yearlings through one winter and so only go into heat every other year.  This female seems to push them out on their own very young and then become available every year.  either that or I am witnessing two females, maybe a mother and a daughter use the same denning site, but I do not think so. At any rate this site is on a ridge above a big snow glade and they slip and slide down it and then clamber back up for a few days before eventually abandoning the den for the summer.   
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My grandparents had a house in the Poconos. One year in the circle parking lot my Dad and brother were up there (MMy brother was maybe 4 or so at the time) and wondering out to the porch. My dad saw him and asked where he was going and he said "To Pet the Bear". As you could imagine my dad sprinted out to the deck and picked my brother up before he could advance any further. The Poconoes have been a very rare site these days for bears. Not as many seen as the past. Usually a lot more deer and ducks. One year we had a Mountain lion of some sort that use to wonder around the area. I haven't been up there in a few yrs because my pop-pop died in 2010 and by 2014-15 my grandma was selling the house. The last few yrs we had Russian neighbor and the dad was former KGB. He use to take my brothers and dad and I out shooting targets with Bibi and air soft rifles. No real ammunition. He had 3 different houses and rented out two of them and the house next to us was one of his rentals. Kept the guns in a separate house the one he only stayed out. He only stayed at his rentals when work needed to be done on them. 

 
Banger said:
I think we've found the answer we've been looking for...I know most of the teenagers I know all hang out at the grocery store....all seems to make sense now.../thread

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1

During a meeting last week with local pastors, Republican Rep. Diane Black raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening. "Pornography," she said. "It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store."

haha...grocery store...me thinks she may be just a bit out of touch with reality.  
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What grocery store sells that? My companies grocery stores don't? Where do they find these whack jobs? 

 
DJackson10 said:
I find it naive to try to talk common sense gun laws with gun owners who want to deflect. 
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Not deflecting just simply pointing out that you stated that Trump should be impeached for lying like Clinton but yet the concept of "under oath" just flies over your head.  Your rants are akin to a monkey flinging poo against a wall and when someone tries to slow you down to show you how you are wrong you just get more excitable. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I didn't actually bring him up in the first place someone else did. I was adding to that part of the discussion. I also added how Trump won't do anything because he took 30M in donations from the NRA for his campaign while you continue to try and deny the NRA has any part of why we can't get any gun regulations done. So I think the President has a part in this discussion. 
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This bolded is false. I'm in agreement that the NRA is standing in the way of gun regulations. I've been that way for decades. I didn't need recent events to make me realize it. 

I've also said that, if there are so many people that disagree with the NRA and gun regulations as it stands, why is there not an anti-NRA organization? It would be simple for them to raise billions of dollars to buy off politicians. 

 
DJackson10 said:
People have given them stuff. We are allowing them to keep their hunting guns and their 9MM and other handguns. We're just taking the military style like weapons away. If that's not something someone can compromise on then they have a really big issue and maybe shouldn't be owning guns in the first place. Maybe if you went into this with an open-end rather then using the same fear tactics other gun owners are fed you would see that. There's a minority who want to take all guns away and something the Pro gun people put ut there constantly for fear tactics. The NRA also feeds fake news fear tactics to it's members constantly as well. A majority don't want to take all guns away. Just take the ones that only should be used if you want to go play army man or maybe only can use on a shooting range with a certified licensed range to carry those arms. We also want to limit magazine sizes, keep guns away from people like domestic abusers and such as well.  
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Have your read my proposed ideas?

I suggest you take a look. 

 
pantherclub said:
Oh and once again I ask, what common sense gun laws would have prevented the last 10 school shootings?
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None.

Which is my stance is either revoke the 2nd amendment so that guns can finally be regulated, or ban as many guns as possible so that the only "arms" protect by the 2nd amendment (which lets just call "unregulated guns") are 18th century muskets. 

300 million unregulated devices designed to kill, and it's no wonder we suffer from gun problems that no other country does. If we can't regulate them, then ban them.

 
Politician Spock said:
None.

Which is my stance is either revoke the 2nd amendment so that guns can finally be regulated, or ban as many guns as possible so that the only "arms" protect by the 2nd amendment (which lets just call "unregulated guns") are 18th century muskets. 

300 million unregulated devices designed to kill, and it's no wonder we suffer from gun problems that no other country does. If we can't regulate them, then ban them.
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this in a nutshell is why your side will never win.  Never.  Nothing in your post is either feasible or realistic.  Its beyond a pipe dream.

 
pantherclub said:
::sigh::

you certainly implied it but carry on
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The majority of the country wants more gun regulation. 

The 2nd amendment limits that greatly.

What we can do that doesn't violate the 2nd either 1) wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings, or 2) reduces the definition of what "arms" means in the 2nd amendment. 

Do the majority of people today want to revoke the 2nd today? No. Do the majority of people today want to ban guns? No (but they do want to ban some more of them).

But as long as our gun problem persists on the scale that the rest of the world does not suffer from, it's only a matter of time before the scale tips towards one of those. To think it will never happen is ignorant and ridiculous. It's inevitable. 

 
Politician Spock said:
The majority of the country wants more gun regulation. 

The 2nd amendment limits that greatly.

What we can do that doesn't violate the 2nd either 1) wouldn't have stopped any of the recent shootings, or 2) reduces the definition of what "arms" means in the 2nd amendment. 

Do the majority of people today want to revoke the 2nd today? No. Do the majority of people today want to ban guns? No (but they do want to ban some more of them).

But as long as our gun problem persists on the scale that the rest of the world does not suffer from, it's only a matter of time before the scale tips towards one of those. To think it will never happen is ignorant and ridiculous. It's inevitable. 
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I presented 4 changes that may have prevented some of the recent shootings. None of which violates the 2nd Amendment. 

 
KCitons said:
I presented 4 changes that may have prevented some of the recent shootings. None of which violates the 2nd Amendment. 
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The only one of the 4 that you presented that could have prevented any of the recent shootings would have had zero effect on 93 percent of the shootings. And if only would have fractional reduction on the 7%. The other 3 that you presented would have reduced the damage, but the shootings still would have happened.

 
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Politician Spock said:
The only one of the 4 that you presented that could have prevented any of the recent shootings would have had zero effect on 93 percent of the shootings. And if only would have fractional reduction on the 7%. The other 3 that you presented would have reduced the damage, but the shootings still would have happened.
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You're making the assumption that the person would have still used a .22 caliber rifle to carry out a mass shooting. If this is the case, then it's not the killing power of the AR15 that is the problem. Reducing the magazine capacity to 6 also may have made the shooter forego the use of a firearm and choose a different method. 

 
KCitons said:
You're making the assumption that the person would have still used a .22 caliber rifle to carry out a mass shooting. If this is the case, then it's not the killing power of the AR15 that is the problem. Reducing the magazine capacity to 6 also may have made the shooter forego the use of a firearm and choose a different method. 
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I'm making the assumption that a person who used a gun to commit mass shootings would still have used a gun to commit mass shootings even if your suggestions were in effect. That only ones that would have had a harder time getting a gun are the 7% of mass shooters who are under the age of 21. And your suggestion only stops them from buying a gun. They can still get guns other ways, even legal ways (it can be gifted to them).

 
pantherclub said:
Not deflecting just simply pointing out that you stated that Trump should be impeached for lying like Clinton but yet the concept of "under oath" just flies over your head.  Your rants are akin to a monkey flinging poo against a wall and when someone tries to slow you down to show you how you are wrong you just get more excitable. 
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Lying in terms of colluding with Russians and others. Saying he never met with those people or knew them yet numerous photos and reports have come out with Trump front and center with them. That's lying under the oath to the people 

 
Politician Spock said:
I'm making the assumption that a person who used a gun to commit mass shootings would still have used a gun to commit mass shootings even if your suggestions were in effect. That only ones that would have had a harder time getting a gun are the 7% of mass shooters who are under the age of 21. And your suggestion only stops them from buying a gun. They can still get guns other ways, even legal ways (it can be gifted to them).
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Which is why I say, it's all or nothing with some people. 

Good luck. 

 
KCitons said:
This bolded is false. I'm in agreement that the NRA is standing in the way of gun regulations. I've been that way for decades. I didn't need recent events to make me realize it. 

I've also said that, if there are so many people that disagree with the NRA and gun regulations as it stands, why is there not an anti-NRA organization? It would be simple for them to raise billions of dollars to buy off politicians. 
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Unless I have you confused with someone I thought you were the one who's repeated disagreed with the NRA standing in the way on Gun violations. I do apologize if I have the wrong guy here. 

 
pantherclub said:
this in a nutshell is why your side will never win.  Never.  Nothing in your post is either feasible or realistic.  Its beyond a pipe dream.
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Only very hardcore pro gun people think this way. They think it's blasphemy to change an amendment like the 2nd amendment when if legally done the right way can and could change but the Hardcore Gun nuts would try to revolt and cause Civil War 2 in this country despite the fact they call themselves constitutionalist. 

 
KCitons said:
I presented 4 changes that may have prevented some of the recent shootings. None of which violates the 2nd Amendment. 
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How does his idea violet the 2nd amendment? Do you not understand how an amendment can legally change? It can if it is done legally with the right votes. 

 
Politician Spock said:
Have you admitted yet that you enjoy killing with guns? Why continue to hide it? You can admit it. We all know it's true. 
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You're a weird dude.

I enjoy hunting with a gun. Killing is just a part of it. Because you can't understand that, does not mean there's something wrong with me. If you think you're going to shame me, or guilt me into agreeing with your point of view. You're sadly mistaken.

 
KCitons said:
You're a weird dude.

I enjoy hunting with a gun. Killing is just a part of it. Because you can't understand that, does not mean there's something wrong with me. If you think you're going to shame me, or guilt me into agreeing with your point of view. You're sadly mistaken.
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This is why gun nuts will never be part of the solution.

Denial.

 
DJackson10 said:
How does his idea violet the 2nd amendment? Do you not understand how an amendment can legally change? It can if it is done legally with the right votes. 
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Again, it's all or nothing. My suggestions were a compromise. It addresses the problem without infringing on the 2nd Amendment. I thought the anti-gun people were looking for discussion, compromise, and solutions? I guess I was wrong. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Lying in terms of colluding with Russians and others. Saying he never met with those people or knew them yet numerous photos and reports have come out with Trump front and center with them. That's lying under the oath to the people 
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thats not lying under oath.  shame on me for giving you the benefit of the doubt.  i will not go so far as to say your ideas are dumb, just really misinformed and lacking logic. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Only very hardcore pro gun people think this way. They think it's blasphemy to change an amendment like the 2nd amendment when if legally done the right way can and could change but the Hardcore Gun nuts would try to revolt and cause Civil War 2 in this country despite the fact they call themselves constitutionalist. 
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you got a link to that assertion?  of course you dont.  

 
KCitons said:
Again, it's all or nothing. My suggestions were a compromise. It addresses the problem without infringing on the 2nd Amendment. I thought the anti-gun people were looking for discussion, compromise, and solutions? I guess I was wrong. 
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You keep saying non of these ideas would've stopped the recent shooting no? Some of us agree if done the right way getting rid of the 2nd legally and changing the laws while keeping the rights of gun owners in tact is a better way too go. 

 
Yenrub said:
How does the potential home robber KNOW you have an AR? Do you put out signs or have stickers on the windows?

Also I’m guessing that most potential home robbers are looking to rob houses when they think no one is home.
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And apparently guns are a valued commodity...

 
Banger said:
I think we've found the answer we've been looking for...I know most of the teenagers I know all hang out at the grocery store....all seems to make sense now.../thread

Kyle Griffin‏Verified account @kylegriffin1

During a meeting last week with local pastors, Republican Rep. Diane Black raised the issue of gun violence in schools and why it keeps happening. "Pornography," she said. "It’s available on the shelf when you walk in the grocery store."

haha...grocery store...me thinks she may be just a bit out of touch with reality.  
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Yes, that grocery store porn is terrible. Right next to “guns and ammo.” Way worse than what you can find on the internet. 

 
DJackson10 said:
You keep saying non of these ideas would've stopped the recent shooting no? Some of us agree if done the right way getting rid of the 2nd legally and changing the laws while keeping the rights of gun owners in tact is a better way too go. 
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Show me where I said that?

If the NRA is the problem with getting gun laws changed, then why go after the 2nd Amendment? Just go after the NRA, lobbying, or create a more powerful anti-gun group?

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
Sometimes i use a bow and arrow....
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When I was a boy we had a neighbor kid, a few years older than I, who had a bow and arrow set up with an attached fishing line and a reel.  he would shoot fish in the shallows and reel them in.  I thought it a pretty neat set up.  The thing was, he never kept the fish to eat or even to use as garden fertilizer.  He just tossed them back.  I'm pretty confident not one of them survived the experience.  He also had a recurve bow and a compound bow he would practice with into bales of hay with a deer target affixed.  I never knew him to hunt deer, but maybe he did. 

We had another family, eight kids, six of them boys.  They and their father were all bow enthusiast. Someone, and often several were always out practicing with their bows when you went past their place.  In the fall their were always multiple bucks hanging from the tree behind their house bleeding out and getting ready for processing.  One of the boys had a large pigeon coop which is apropos of nothing, just a memory.

 
KCitons said:
Show me where I said that?

If the NRA is the problem with getting gun laws changed, then why go after the 2nd Amendment? Just go after the NRA, lobbying, or create a more powerful anti-gun group?
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Because other groups will take their place.  Money matters more to these politicians, just like guns matter more to some than dead kids.

End this archaic block to reasonable gun reform (2nd Amendment) 

 
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