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This was part of my issue with Penny is that I could not help but to compare him to Pumphrey who certainly isn't as powerful a runner as Penny is, but did look a lot quicker and elusive than Penny did in the same offense.
I'm not refuting your point in any way. Just being a smart *pass* here, but the first baseball analogy I think of when I hear "hybrid S/LB" is "centerfielder".
I totally agree. He gets a C+ on the eye test for me, but all these teams have him at a solid A. I don't get it. We must be wrong, right?
A safety linebacker hybrid should be playing near the line of scrimmage, as a strong side LB, strong safety or perhaps in the nickle role.
Pretty much agree with this. Only thing I might change is moving Hines to the top of tier 3.
I always have a hard time fitting players to my tier parameters.
In my opinion Jones is faster than Chubb, has better acceleration to pull away from defenders, slightly more burst although Chubb also good at that, better footwork and balance than Chubb, better pad level, also route running and blocking..
Jones ii undeniably pass blocks better and has better acceleration. They both are pretty fluid and have good vision, I'll give them a tie for that.
I dont think Chubb is slow.
New England passes more than any other team. They let Dion Lewis go in free agency. I believe they took Michel because they can keep on the field all three downs and disguise the play. Michel has natural hands and he is good in pass protection. I give you that there are other running backs that can catch but will he be dead last on that list? NoAndy Dufresne said:
If you believe that then, of course, he would rank higher. I don't believe it.
Everything once you put the ball in their hands.
To each his own.
Even with Lewis you look at his box scores and he only had back to back good weeks at the end of the year. He wasn't a reliable fantasy option all year until the fantasy playoffs. White and Burkhead caught 86 passes between them and are still on the roster while Lewis only caught 32 of them. Burkhead had 8 TD's and Gillislee had 5. They have not consistently used one guy for a number of years and tend to vary their gameplan dramatically from week to week depending upon their opponent. You just cannot rely on anybody not named Gronk or Brady on a week to week basis. Their investment of a first round pick may indicate more usage but I wouldn't count on it unless he proves himself to be the guy for them.
I was reading elsewhere that they may actually view Hines as a slot WR, based on his skillset.
Not concerning at all. Not sure what the expectation would have been after WAS drafted him and have Thompson coming back.
I see him going 2nd in a lot of these mocks though. Wouldn't we want a 3 down back there?
If Guice is the type of back people believe he is, then the presence of a guy like Thompson shouldn’t play a huge role in your decision making. For now Guice is a 2 down back. Thompson could get hurt, traded or leave via free agency in the near future. Situations change quickly so I always defer to talent, which Guice has in spades. If another of the top RBs had a slam dunk situational landing spot I’d maybe consider bumping Guice a spot or two but who exactly would you bump him for?
Penny? Seahawks have already said he is a 3 down guy. Although Carroll is aways overly optimistic and they didn't do anything to help the o-line.
That’s my point. I like Penny but he’s going to a team with a bad offensive line. Also Carroll may have said that but Penny has yet to prove he has that skill set, especially pass blocking. My point is simply that none of the landing spots were Zeke to Dallas good so I think people should stick to their rankings based primarily on talent.
I mean I am just talking it through. I don't have a confirmed decision, just floating names. Tampa is a spectacular landing spot but RoJo's lack of college passing reps leaves it a question mark.
In a vacuum, absolutely. That’s a value judgment. I’m only making the point that it shouldn’t be cause for *added* concern that WAS sees him as a 2-down back when that was pretty much established when he got drafted by them.
Yup. And to your previous point about the 1.02, unfortunately when Guice went to WAS and Chubb to CLE, inferior talents like Penny and Rojo have to be considered for that second pick, because of their perceived situations. I still personally don’t think it’s enough to put Penny or Rojo above Guice and Chubb, but it certainly is a defensible position.
How much do we factor in draft capital? How sure are we Guice is better than Penny or Sony or Rojo?
Absolutely right. But I'm willing to assume they'll be taking a little off the shoulders of the 41yo GOAT. There's plenty of other backs to take carries so there's no guarantee he's the bellcow, but I think we're seeing a change in philosophy there.
Brown and Britt are above average. They signed Fluker. Pocic and Ifedi have another year of experience. Fant will be back from injury. So the O-line should be improved. They also brought in a new OC and O-line coach with different styles and philosophies favoring the run.
I agree it does because Jones didn't catch enough passes.
Thompson is a very good third down back so people who assume Guice will get three down touches are likely to be disappointed. I don't see him as the RB2 in this draft.
I just started watching Hines and he impressed. He makes great cuts, has good instincts, and obviously quick and fast. He just looks like a running back to me and can find ways to wiggle himself extra yards. At 5'8" he has a low center of gravity which he uses to his advantage showing more power than he should for under 200 lbs.
Can't agree with you on this. After the Big 8 RBs, I'd put 3 WRs and 3 QBs ahead of someone like Hines. And maybe even some TEs, even though I'm loathe to draft them early. He's a mid-2nd at the earliest, but I still wouldn't want to take that risk until I know how the Hines/Mack/Wilkins battle shakes out. It's possible he could move up to a late-1st if your rookie draft takes place during training camp.
Probably a bit early for him. But this is a bad year for WRs.
Agree completely about the WRs. I don't really want to invest in any of them right now.
