BobbyLayne
Footballguy
you could potentially use the Bengals for the next three even numbered weeks, good matchups
SEA and TEN are on my wire as well, I left them there
rolling with Cards this w/e
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2024 Team Defense & Defense by Committee Thread (8 Viewers)
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you could potentially use the Bengals for the next three even numbered weeks, good matchups
SEA and TEN are on my wire as well, I left them there
rolling with Cards this w/e
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Not a bad night at all from Carolina, but not the slaughter we were looking for.
Under 10 points and 4 sacks.
Really surprised no turnovers.
The biggest takeaway tonight was losing Jaycee Horn. That will hurt this defense moving forward.
Might be sad I dropped New England for them because of this. But with Tampa Bay on the books for New England next week I may have the chance to grab them back.
Also just a pet peeve of mine. I hate that the botched handling of a snap for a loss of yards is not considered defensive points. It’s basically a sack. I understand why it’s not. But always hate to see those end up as a fumble recovered by the quarterback for no fantasy defensive points.
Under 10 points and 4 sacks.
Really surprised no turnovers.
The biggest takeaway tonight was losing Jaycee Horn. That will hurt this defense moving forward.
Might be sad I dropped New England for them because of this. But with Tampa Bay on the books for New England next week I may have the chance to grab them back.
Also just a pet peeve of mine. I hate that the botched handling of a snap for a loss of yards is not considered defensive points. It’s basically a sack. I understand why it’s not. But always hate to see those end up as a fumble recovered by the quarterback for no fantasy defensive points.
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Insein
Footballguy
Grabbing either Cincy or Tenn for next week right before kickoff this week. Keeping Denver though.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I have never been a fan of Tua and think a prepared Brissett is equal to Tua and probably an upgrade. The Raiders D has looked improved over the first two games and their front four can get to the QB. Miami may score 20 but I don’t see 30.Godsbrother said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
CAR had a good (not great) night, 16 points in our format. We count 0.25 TFL, 0.50 for 3 n out, 1.00 for 4th Down stops + Sacks, -2 for all turnovers, yardage allowed similar to points allowed - which we also get points for. we have everything adjusted down so it doesn’t get too crazy, about the same or a little more than standard DTs in most leagues, but it’s a better way to value good defense than simply PA + TDs.
Anyway, great weeks are 20-29, and while 16 is like def in DT1 territory, probably not as good as the owner who used FAAB on them hoped.
Anyway, great weeks are 20-29, and while 16 is like def in DT1 territory, probably not as good as the owner who used FAAB on them hoped.
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
Ooooh, I like that format. Does it solve my rant on fumbles recovered by the own team behind the line of scrimmage? Is that a tackle for a loss?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
TFL an official stat right - I mean it gets tracked without us doing anything.
I think I saw your rant last night. IDK, the quarterback fumbled snap and falls on it - it’s not a sack. It shouldn’t be at TFL. It’s just offensive miscue, defense shouldn’t be rewarded for anything it didn’t cause. Just the offense making it a mistake, right?
Anyway I am actually not sure how that’s handled the our scoring system - I’ll have to try to find out.
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VikingFrog
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Last night I started Cooks, was going against CMC, had Cuba on my bench, & my trading partner – I’m trying to acquire Lamar – picked up Darnell right before the game. Did not pick up a Powerball but I should’ve.
I'd put Houston in the first group, even though Mills didn't turn the ball over against CAR.
Week 4 Offenses to target (using BobbyLayne's list and adding HOU). Potential DST streamers in bold
MIA vs IND
NYJ vs TEN
JAX vs CIN
NYG vs NO
HOU vs BUF
DET vs CHI
ATL vs WFT
Looks like plenty of options. Check your local leagues for availability.
I have CHI available in my main keeper league (12 team 16 roster). They're my top choice with CIN 2nd in the final waiver run this week. Dropping ARI because I already started CAR and didn't want anyone else picking up ARI to use this week.
Lost in my bid for Carolina so picked up colts for next week and rolling with cards for this week. Have titans in my other league but not feeling great about that one at all. Colts face Houston twice and Jax once. Also face Miami. So have some good weeks ahead.
Still not sure who the surprise every week starter defense will be this year. Thought it might be Arizona last week and Carolinas this week but maybe they are still out there…
Still not sure who the surprise every week starter defense will be this year. Thought it might be Arizona last week and Carolinas this week but maybe they are still out there…
I’m sticking with NO over LV (the only decent streaming option left on waivers). I agree that they could bounce back.
Is Osborn ever going to sniff your lineup? If the answer is no, to me, that roster spot is more valuable to use to be able to add next week's DST streamer for cheap since that DST will be in your lineup.
Can always try trading Osborn for a future pick or as an add-on to free up the roster spot.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
While I was hoping for more points out of the Carolina D, and while Mills wasn't exactly Nathan Peterman out there, I definitely wouldn't say I saw anything that made me think Houston's opponent won't continue to be a smash play. The guy is still a raw third-round rookie who wasn't supposed to be playing this early. They're doing everything they can to play it safe and protect him, but the mistakes will come eventually, especially as teams get more tape on him.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Agreed. He didn’t have any turnovers because they played it so safe. He also didn’t have many yards or points for the same reason.ignatiusjreilly said:
Truebluey
Footballguy
I picked them up, but with Wentz likely starting I dropped them again for the NYG. I always prefer home defenses, and ATL are just not putting up points this season. I can't play my Rams against Brady this week, am I gutless?
ahartig
Footballguy
Brady is on fire. I wouldn’t start the Rams D if I had them.
Is TN D any good at all? They worth streaming a giant NYJ and JAX next few weeks?
That one guy
Footballguy
Same boat with LAR. My next best wire choices are Vikings and Bengals, not sure where I’m gonna land yet
Truebluey
Footballguy
Tennessee's secondary are terrible but their run D is pretty good. They are certainly worth considering against the Jets. See how they do today.
Krilons Resa
Footballguy
Next week...who ya got?
CHI v. DET
CIN v. JAX
IND @ MIA
CHI v. DET
CIN v. JAX
IND @ MIA
Johnny Utah #9
Footballguy
So Denver came up big (as expected vs the Jets). That being said, their string of cupcake matchups to open the season is over. I might be in the minority, but I was a bit underwhelmed by their results the first two weeks. Decent but should have been blow up spots.
So what are people doing with them now? I think this next string of games they could have some trouble. Not liking the fact that Chubb is out for a while. So are people dumping, benching for another stash, rolling with them? I’m definitely looking for another option, mulling over whether to keep them stashed or send them back.
So what are people doing with them now? I think this next string of games they could have some trouble. Not liking the fact that Chubb is out for a while. So are people dumping, benching for another stash, rolling with them? I’m definitely looking for another option, mulling over whether to keep them stashed or send them back.
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Have rode them the first three weeks, but now they hit the bench. No way I'm starting them against BALT.
Picked up TN who has NYJ and JAX the next two weeks. Holding Denver for now. If they show up big against BALT maybe they are a long term hold and at minimum a potential play against an over the hill Big Ben in week 5.
facook
Footballguy
Rolling with Denver. Part of it is the stuff left on waivers (Tennessee? Cincy for just the one week? Packers for one week? The corpse of Washington?). Baltimore is not ideal, but Lamar is my qb so his turnovers will cancel out. They play KC once during the FFB schedule, and even KC showed they can give points to a D/ST. I may change my mind down the road, but it's Denver for me until further notice.
ETA: VERY short bench in this league. If I could carry 2 D/ST's I would, but impossible.
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I think I need to roll with Carolina vs Dallas in one league. Don't want to drop them, especially given what's on the WW, and would have to drop someone like Fournette or Rondale Moore if I wanted a second D.
In my league with Denver I think I'm just going to keep rolling with them until they give me reason to think otherwise. Only really scary match-ups are the divisional games, which all come late in the year. Hopefully by that point it'll be easier to pick up a second D if I need one (that's also a deeper bench league).
In my league with Denver I think I'm just going to keep rolling with them until they give me reason to think otherwise. Only really scary match-ups are the divisional games, which all come late in the year. Hopefully by that point it'll be easier to pick up a second D if I need one (that's also a deeper bench league).
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Cin seems like the play Weeks 4, 6, and 8
Holding Ari & Car in most leagues despite bad Wk 4 matchups, Saints (great matchup v NYG) in another - none of those are likely to be on your WW.
Chicago might be, Lions will put up yardage but Goff can be careless with the ball.
Where I drafted Denver I figured to only start them the first 3 weeks. I’m not uncomfortable rolling with them at home versus the Ravens who are a bit up n down rn
Titans wil be a popular add v Wilson’s league leading 7 interceptions. Are they any good, and can you trust them. I don’t think so.
Dallas D is much improved and looking ahead have juicy matchups Weeks 5 & 6. 8 turnovers generated so far.
Holding Ari & Car in most leagues despite bad Wk 4 matchups, Saints (great matchup v NYG) in another - none of those are likely to be on your WW.
Chicago might be, Lions will put up yardage but Goff can be careless with the ball.
Where I drafted Denver I figured to only start them the first 3 weeks. I’m not uncomfortable rolling with them at home versus the Ravens who are a bit up n down rn
Titans wil be a popular add v Wilson’s league leading 7 interceptions. Are they any good, and can you trust them. I don’t think so.
Dallas D is much improved and looking ahead have juicy matchups Weeks 5 & 6. 8 turnovers generated so far.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Wait, do you mean Jaycee Horn's injury? The one that happened during the game?
Carolina was absolutely the right start from a process standpoint. And they shut Houston down! They just didn't produce big points from a fantasy perspective, mostly because the Texans played it ultra-safe with Mills. Meanwhile, nothing against NO, which is a good defense, but eight of their points came from a ball that bounced off a WR's hands and right to Jenkins for an easy pick-six.
Defense is always a crapshoot, and we know a lot less than we think we do after three weeks. IMO Carolina is more likely to be set-it-and-forget-it than NO, but it's close, and I could definitely be wrong about that.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
OK, that makes more sense. And yes, I think there's a definite blindspot that lots of us have in terms of assuming certain defenses are what they are, without realizing that circumstances change as guys come back from injuries, etc.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
If you're willing to roster two Ds this early (and if you trust Cinci, which I'm not sure I do), you could pair Panthers/Bengals for the next few weeks:
- Week 4: Cinci vs Jax
- Week 5: Car vs Phi
- Week 6: Cinci @ Det (or Car vs Minn)
- Week 7: Car @ NYG
- Week 8: Cinci @ NYJ (or Car @ Atl)
- Week 9: Car vs NE
Is Dallas D legit?
Could see them causing Darnold issues minus CMC. And then they face an injury riddled NYJ and toothless NE.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Stashing Miami for those rest of season JAC, NYJ x2 and NE matchups still to come
Insein
Footballguy
I would say if the matchup is right but I wouldn't use the Eagles game as a measuring stick. Their offense held the ball 36 mins and the Eagles offense called 3 run plays... The whole night.
Insein
Footballguy
Wouldn't count the NE matchup. That's week 18. They do have some intriguing ones. Looks like you need to pair them with a defense that has good even week matchups. You also have to hope they get better. So far they've been pretty poor.
W6 @Jax
W7 ATL
W9 HOU
W11 @NYJ
W13 NYG
W15 NYJ
