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2020 RB Lotto Ticket Rankings (2 Viewers)

zeeshan2

Footballguy

Faust

MVP
NY Giants handcuff:

ESPN's Jordan Raanan believes Giants RB Wayne Gallman "can carry the load" in the event Saquon Barkley missed games in 2020.

Barkley, to be clear, is totally healthy entering the 2020 season, but Gallman would be a waiver wire add if that ever changed throughout the year. Dion Lewis isn't built for a big role and would remain in his passing downs only job while Gallman would handle rushing duties. Gallman was a healthy scratch last season but has impressed the new coaching staff.

SOURCE: ESPN.com

Sep 2, 2020, 2:46 PM ET

 

gabes1919

Footballguy
I have a question regarding KCC CEH and his "role".

It feels like CEH will be, at best, a 1B to whoever is the 1A (regardless of which of the 3 other RBs becomes the 1A).  Am I Crazy?

Reference:  Matt Waldman's No Fly List - Matt writes: 

  • "projected as my 22nd-ranked fantasy back."
  • "It's why taking Helaire as one of the top 10 backs on the board is betting on a great stretch run after playing at least a month in a committee. If you draft so you can afford your second back taken to perform below expectation for 4-6 weeks while counting on 7-10 weeks of elite production, then go for it."
Will CEH be:

  • The #1 RB?
  • The 1A and someone else is 1B
  • The 1B to the 1A as I am thinking?
  • The handcuff to the #1?
What do you think?

@Faust , @Ilov80s - @Stompin' Tom Connors - @socrates - @gabes1919 - @JFS171 - @cantstop1999 - @IHEARTFF - @MAC_32 ?
I do think it’s crazy to project CEH as anything other than the 1A at this point. He is a 1st round RB drafted by the defending champions in a championship/dynasty type window. He was a luxury pick to put them over the top and it would be insane not so use him. I imagine that they had hoped to use him similar to how Alvin Kamara was used in his rookie season but circumstances won’t allow that. If he is the starter, he will get a minimum of 60% of the carries and receptions out of that backfield until he is consistently worse than someone else there or let’s Mahomes get lit up too many times. The former, no one should be worried about. The latter, yes a major concern but it comes with rookie territory. Reid likes to have a primary ball carrier, has since he came to KC. If CEH is the best player there (and we all think he is), then that will be him. That makes him a top 12 guy and probably top 6 when it’s all said and done

 

ldizzle

Footballguy
Anyone have any news from Chicago? I can’t find anything who is practicing with the 1’s.

is it Cohen, Patterson or Nall.

im really intrigued with Patterson as he listed as WR in ESPN. Plus he has been getting praise in camp. I was down on Montgomery before and now he has a non contact groin injury. 
 

patterson is the definition of lottery ticket 

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
Yeah with leagues cutting down, I’m surprised there’s not more chatter in here. I’ll post more in a bit about the choices I’m making with the bottom ends of my rosters, but real quick I want to point out one:

Malcolm Perry is apparently standing out in camp...but as a WR, not at RB. I was surprised to see that because MFL has had him as a RB this whole time. So that’s something to keep an eye on, if you’re a Tua believer. The buzz is strong on Perry right now and he’s a great athlete.

 

socrates

Footballguy
daylight said:
I have a question regarding KCC CEH and his "role".

It feels like CEH will be, at best, a 1B to whoever is the 1A (regardless of which of the 3 other RBs becomes the 1A).  Am I Crazy?

Reference:  Matt Waldman's No Fly List - Matt writes: 

  • "projected as my 22nd-ranked fantasy back."
  • "It's why taking Helaire as one of the top 10 backs on the board is betting on a great stretch run after playing at least a month in a committee. If you draft so you can afford your second back taken to perform below expectation for 4-6 weeks while counting on 7-10 weeks of elite production, then go for it."
Will CEH be:

  • The #1 RB?
  • The 1A and someone else is 1B
  • The 1B to the 1A as I am thinking?
  • The handcuff to the #1?
What do you think?

@Faust , @Ilov80s - @Stompin' Tom Connors - @socrates - @gabes1919 - @JFS171 - @cantstop1999 - @IHEARTFF - @MAC_32 ?
I am not especially worried about CEH.  He should be fine.  However, it is especially difficult to project rookie usage this season without preseason action to evaluate.  Coach Reid isn't afraid to implement a committee approach, but he will ride a horse if he has one, and CEH is the most gifted back in the Chiefs' stable.  OC Eric Bieniemy, a former RB himself, has had great success with young backs, and I expect CEH will prove to be a workhorse in this system.  Interestingly, Bieniemy coached MJD in college (the back CEH is often compared to). Clyde Edwards-Helaire will be given every chance to succeed.  The biggest concern for CEH is how he fares in pass protection.  Regardless of the numbers he compiles carrying the ball or as a receiver, if CEH cannot protect Patrick Mahomes, he will surrender time to Darrel Williams (or Deandre Washington).  The first few weeks could be telling, but I expect the rookie to meet the challenge and emerge as a true #1 RB.

 

JFS171

Footballguy
Anyone have any news from Chicago? I can’t find anything who is practicing with the 1’s.

is it Cohen, Patterson or Nall.

im really intrigued with Patterson as he listed as WR in ESPN. Plus he has been getting praise in camp. I was down on Montgomery before and now he has a non contact groin injury. 
 

patterson is the definition of lottery ticket 
From what I understand, Patterson has commented himself about struggling to read blocks and run between the tackles, which means he’s only comfortable on the sweeps and tosses to the outside of the tackle box. They’ll probably still design some of those every game, but it feels more D’Anthony Thomas type than full Ty Montgomery. 

Nall has been used heavily as an H-back/fullback/TE hybrid in camp. While it’s easy to look down the old depth chart and see him as Montgomery’s backup, nothing from the beat writers suggests that’s the case. 

If the season started today, it sure sounds like Artavis Pierce is probably the guy if Monty can’t go. Brad Biggs wrote a story for the Chicago Tribune about Pierce, noting he got 16 carries with the first team offense the first practice after Montgomery was out.

There’s still the potential they sign someone at final cuts (remember Hyde going to Houston last year and starting right away),  but Pierce probably deserves a little more buzz than he’s getting right now. 

 
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SoBeDad

Footballguy
Yeah with leagues cutting down, I’m surprised there’s not more chatter in here. I’ll post more in a bit about the choices I’m making with the bottom ends of my rosters, but real quick I want to point out one:

Malcolm Perry is apparently standing out in camp...but as a WR, not at RB. I was surprised to see that because MFL has had him as a RB this whole time. So that’s something to keep an eye on, if you’re a Tua believer. The buzz is strong on Perry right now and he’s a great athlete.
Perry qualifies as a super sleeper. They want to use him in the slot, ala Edelman, but I doubt he makes a big contribution this year, unless there's an injury. He should be very good as a wildcat option. They also want him to contribute on special teams this year, per one of the coaches. 

 

smbkrypt24

Footballguy
daylight said:
Anyone have thoughts on the IND LOTTO possibilities beyond Taylor, Mack and Hines?

Note:  IND ranked #1 OL per FootballGuys Ranking
The answer is Wilkins, but I wouldn't be confident in him.  Are you asking if both Taylor and Mack were injured who would you want on the Colts?  Hines is more of a specialist so I would say his role would increase, but not be primary ball carrier.

 

zeeshan2

Footballguy
Is Zack Moss considered a lotto pick? If Devin doesn't clean up his fumbling issues, he's going to concede touches to Moss

 

ldizzle

Footballguy
From what I understand, Patterson has commented himself about struggling to read blocks and run between the tackles, which means he’s only comfortable on the sweeps and tosses to the outside of the tackle box. They’ll probably still design some of those every game, but it feels more D’Anthony Thomas type than full Ty Montgomery. 

Nall has been used heavily as an H-back/fullback/TE hybrid in camp. While it’s easy to look down the old depth chart and see him as Montgomery’s backup, nothing from the beat writers suggests that’s the case. 

If the season started today, it sure sounds like Artavis Pierce is probably the guy if Monty can’t go. Brad Biggs wrote a story for the Chicago Tribune about Pierce, noting he got 16 carries with the first team offense the first practice after Montgomery was out.

There’s still the potential they sign someone at final cuts (remember Hyde going to Houston last year and starting right away),  but Pierce probably deserves a little more buzz than he’s getting right now. 
Definitely a situation to monitor this Saturday. Some are projecting Nall to make the team over Pierce.

so stay tuned

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-roster-projection-20200903-noteyudy2vdqvbwsprdyjtqwoe-story.html

 

JFS171

Footballguy
Definitely a situation to monitor this Saturday. Some are projecting Nall to make the team over Pierce.

so stay tuned

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bears/ct-cb-chicago-bears-roster-projection-20200903-noteyudy2vdqvbwsprdyjtqwoe-story.html
Agreed.  That article you posted states:

It also is possible undrafted rookie Artavis Pierce sticks around if Montgomery is projected to miss time.
This is the article I was referencing earlier (was on my phone and couldn't link it).  

Behind Montgomery on the depth chart are Tarik Cohen and kickoff returner/sometimes wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson. Neither is ideal as a regular first- and second-down option. Cohen is a dangerous receiver in the open field and has had success running the ball, but he’s going to struggle running between the tackles consistently. Patterson is tall for a running back at 6-foot-2, has a tendency to bounce most runs outside and certainly doesn’t have experience in nuanced tasks, such as pass protection.

That leaves the Bears with Ryan Nall, whom they signed after he went undrafted out of Oregon State in 2018, and the more recent Beavers addition, Artavis Pierce, also undrafted this year. Nall got two carries last season and has a chance to stick around, depending on how many tight ends the team keeps and how he fits on special teams. Pierce is the most traditional running back of the options behind Montgomery.
And then this tweet was referring to the first full practice after Montgomery was hurt:

https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1299851569652006912?s=20 

Dan Wiederer @danwiederer

Rookie RB Artavis Pierce got a bunch of work today. With David Montgomery down for a bit with his groin injury, I will be interested to hear how the coaches evaluated Pierce's day today. By my count, he had 16 rushes.

 
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JFS171

Footballguy
Copying this from the Robinson thread I opened, but he's been discussed here too, and I think it's relevant.

James Robinson's Scouting Combine metrics (5'9" 219 lbs):
40-time: 4.64
Vertical: 40" (second among RBs only to AJ Dillon's 41")
Broad: 125" (fifth among RBs: Dillon was 131" followed by 3 dudes from an unlicensed video game - Jet Anderson, Rico Dowdle, Brian Herrien)
3-Cone: 7.03 (fifth among RBs: Josh Kelley and Eno Benjamin were sub-7 with JJ Taylor just behind and Jonathan Taylor posting a 7.01)
Short Shuttle: 4.19 (fourth among RBs: JaMycal Hasty, JJ Taylor, and Jet Anderson beat him; Jonathan Taylor logged a 4.24)
Bench: 24 Reps (third overall behind two guys I've never heard of - Scottie Phillips and Sewo Olonilua)

Suffice to say, one helluva combine outside of the 40-time.  Per PlayerProfiler, that's a 92nd percentile burst score, a 69th percentile agility score, and an 80th percentile bench. 

As for the production at Illinois State ... well ... in 2019, Robinson rushed for 1,917 yards (5.3 YPC) with 18 TDs in 15 games.  For context, Illinois State THREW for only 1,767 yards and 10 TDs.  He outran their entire passing game by 150 yards and scored 8 more TDs.  Their second leading rusher, for comparison, had only 476 yards at 4.3 YPC.  This wasn't some rushing powerhouse - he was simply their entire offense, and teams still couldn't stop him.

Fast forward to the present.  Fournette is gone, Armstead is absent (and may or may not be any good anyway), and Ozigbo and Robinson are being talked up by Doug Marrone as 3-down backs, which is preferable to 2-down banger or 3rd-down specialist.  While Thompson will obviously have some role, his presence on the field immediately tells the defense what they're doing.

I'll admit when I started looking into Robinson, I didn't expect to find all this.  I wasn't that impressed with Armstead and like Ozigbo quite a bit, but we may all be missing the boat with Robinson.

 
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ldizzle

Footballguy
Update Football Team. 
 

add McKissic in the mix. Seems like Gibson is the guy. Beat writers down on Love

Gibson McKissic Barber Love

 

JFS171

Footballguy
Do you have a link for that?
This is from The Athletic's 53-man roster projection (completed before Peterson release, obviously):

Here’s the other note on the five backs. By Sunday the number is four. I wasn’t stashing Love until Tuesday night’s trade for a tackle, but he is still shaking off the rust after not practicing since suffering a torn ACL at Stanford in Dec. 2018. Love isn’t a threat for work initially and therefore a stash warrants consideration.
It's possible they keep Love on the initial roster, then IR him.  I believe being put on IR before the season means you're forced to miss either six or eight games, but with COVID changes, the in-season IR is only 3 games.  Either way, it doesn't sound like Love is ready to go.  Honestly it sounds like Gibson and Barber on early downs and McKissic playing a passing game role.

 

daylight

Footballguy
Is Zack Moss considered a lotto pick? If Devin doesn't clean up his fumbling issues, he's going to concede touches to Moss
If he went un-drafted in one of my leagues I'd consider him in the LOTTO conversation.  Just MHO.

Matt Waldman stated "Moss is slated for the '19 Frank Gore role alongside Singletary but could overtake Singletary for touches and/or goal line. Bills have a good OL." in his The Gut Check No.509: The 2020 Running Back Draft Guide Supreme.

But in all the real and mock drafts I've been in he has been drafted.

 

daylight

Footballguy
Regarding ATL:  Bloom asked Waldman on the Aug. 27th Audible "who is the guy behind Gurley - who is the guy we want to roster"... (paraphrase)...

Matt Waldman replied that (paraphrasing) "(Ito Smith) they love to talk about how flashy he is but, and he's a good receiver, he's not a good ball carrier, (Smith) is not as well rounded as Brian Hill - Hill is more versatile - who has improved his receiving skills - if you want the backup to Gurley you want Hill - but (the best value) is Ollison - when I watched Hill in college I (really liked him) but he looks like he's overthinking - Ollison comes in (no overthinking) - he looks like he can play".

FWIW

 
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Manster

Footballguy
Since Artavis Pierce was cut, I may snag Wrecking Nall in the last round.  Watched both guys at Oregon State closely (I'm an alum).  Nall has a nice wiggle, good foot work, and power.

 

jabarony

Footballguy
Since Artavis Pierce was cut, I may snag Wrecking Nall in the last round.  Watched both guys at Oregon State closely (I'm an alum).  Nall has a nice wiggle, good foot work, and power.
I think you should reconsider.  Why bother?  Unless you a desperate for a RB week 1, Nall will be a roster-clogger.  If he has anything of value, he'd have gotten even 10% of Montgomery's carries last year.  Use that spot on a different lotto ticket.

 

TZMarkie

Footballguy
 I am glad this thread is back, and it was one of the more fun threads to contribute to, and work on years ago.

 I want to stress that I think the KC (backfield situation) is being completely undersold, and here is why.

 In literally every league I am in, DARREL WILLIAMS has went undrafted, or you could get him with ease in mid-late double digit rounds. By all accounts, Williams isn't the most "special", but is "good in all areas". A workman like back, that needs the right situation and volume.

We also know they are super high on CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE, but most good fantasy players will tell you they are "high on him because of situation too".

Meaning, give me the workhorse back under Andy Reid, a powerful offense,  and a back that will get plenty of high-quality touches. It all makes sense...right? Remember a guy in this exact situation, same team even named SPENCER WARE.?????

Well, here is where it doesn't make sense. You can get DARREL WILLIAMS almost free, and although he isn't quite as talented, notice all the other factors of why people are high on a back in fantasy, most of them apply here.  He would likely get a bunch of work in the event of an C-E-H injury.  Last time I checked, backs can and DO get hurt in fantasy. 

I am getting this guy everywhere, in every league I can as a bench stash.   Beat your league to the punch, and own this guy before anything happens. You will be sitting on the #1 free agent claim bar none if CEH goes down. Even if you don't care for the talent or believe he will get that much work, I definitely want the "free piece" of this offense on my roster if CEH gets injured. At worst he would be a strong trade piece to help you get someone else you want.

 Now, if you are one who believes that he "won't be the guy" to get the majority of work in the event of injury, I can understand that too. I'm getting all the shares of this guy as an end-of-bench stash I can stand.

  TZM

 
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ldizzle

Footballguy
I think you should reconsider.  Why bother?  Unless you a desperate for a RB week 1, Nall will be a roster-clogger.  If he has anything of value, he'd have gotten even 10% of Montgomery's carries last year.  Use that spot on a different lotto ticket.
Say he has a decent week 1 and Montgomery is gimpy the whole year. Then what? Cohen is too small and Patterson still learning the ropes. He had a better combine than Montgomery. 
 

ive seen stranger things happen

 

daylight

Footballguy
Ryquell Armstead -  SEP 5 - Armstead placed on COVID List - "On top of Armstead and Thompson, Jacksonville currently has Devine Ozigbo and James Robinson on the depth chart, but that could also change with roster cuts coming down across the league. If a key back shakes loose due to roster trimming, however, this could end up being a rather intriguing landing spot."

Devonta Freeman rumored to be visiting JAC

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907868-devonta-freeman-rumors-rb-visiting-jaguars-after-leonard-fournette-release

 
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Faust

MVP
Rams signed rookie RB Raymond Calais to their 53-man roster. 

The Rams swept in and signed Calais after the rookie was waived by Tampa on Friday. A change-of-pace back, Calais joins a Rams running back group that includes Cam Akers, Malcolm Brown, Xavier Jones, and an injured Darrell Henderson. Calais' signing may be a sign that Henderson's supposedly mild hamstring strain is more serious than first thought. 

RELATED: 

Darrell Henderson

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter 

Sep 6, 2020, 7:39 PM ET

 

Faust

MVP
Patriots promoted RB J.J. Taylor to the active roster.

He'll take the roster spot made vacant by Damien Harris' (hand) stint on injured reserve. An undrafted free agent out of Arizona, Taylor made noise in camp after totaling 587/3,263/18 rushing and 62/487/2 receiving across 40 career games in Kevin Sumlin's up-tempo offense, and forcing 10 broken tackles on 33 catches in '19. His usage in the passing game (if there) will be worth monitoring until Harris returns.

SOURCE: Mike Reiss on Twitter

Sep 7, 2020, 5:56 PM ET

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
If White goes down at any point, JJ becomes a potential league-winner imo unless Harris is the real deal once he returns. JJ is like healthy Dion Lewis, who was insane (for about 8 total games during his career but still).

 

Tanner9919

Footballguy
Kareem Hunt - not bc Chubb falters, but because some team needs a starting RB before trading deadline, and he checks all the boxes. 

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
Kareem Hunt - not bc Chubb falters, but because some team needs a starting RB before trading deadline, and he checks all the boxes. 
An NFL team? Don’t see it. 
 

Don’t think someone valued as highly as Hunt, someone treated as having his own value, counts as a lotto ticket RB.

 

TZMarkie

Footballguy
Did the value of Darrel Williams suddenly skyrocket? I own CEH, but missed getting Williams in our start-up dynasty PPR draft & the WIlliams owner wants a 2021 1st rounder for him. Hard pass for me!
I don't know if his value has "skyrocketed" in that sense, but I think that situation as a handcuff is being completely disregarded across the fantasy community by and large.

It just doesn't make sense to me, when most of the same things/situation you look for in a high end handcuff are there shining like the sun.

These situations rarely workout like everyone hopes. Everyone wants to have the season-winning-cuff if something happens to the "main guy", in this case CEH.  The fact is, most of the time, the guy next up to the pump is rarely a league winner, but more of a "season saver". One you hope can help you piece together 2-3 wins at times in the season if someone goes down.  I just don't follow why everyone thats so high on CEH, they all say "first round talent" combined with the offense and situation, each and every one of those should be cuffing here in this scenario.

You may not be a "handcuff guy", some just aren't and would rather shoot for upside in every pick, I get that too. But having a bit of protection in certain "right scenarios" I'm all about that.  I think this is one.

TBH, I own CEH precisely NOWHERE , and I have a draft tonight and won't get him there either. I don't like spending that kind of draft capital on a rookie that has had almost no preseason action..... for many reasons. But *I DO* have Williams in every league I'm in, as a bench stash.  It might not ever come to fruition this season, just like in poker, sometimes the best plays don't work 100% of the time either. But these are the types of guys that are sitting on my bench, which I don't clutter with WR5 types, that will never start in my start 3WR leagues.

 Here is what part of what I wrote upthread................

In literally every league I am in, DARREL WILLIAMS has went undrafted, or you could get him with ease in mid-late double digit rounds. By all accounts, Williams isn't the most "special", but is "good in all areas". A workman like back, that needs the right situation and volume.

We also know they are super high on CLYDE EDWARDS-HELAIRE, but most good fantasy players will tell you they are "high on him because of situation too".

Meaning, give me the workhorse back under Andy Reid, a powerful offense,  and a back that will get plenty of high-quality touches. It all makes sense...right? Remember a guy in this exact situation, same team even named SPENCER WARE.?????

Well, here is where it doesn't make sense. You can get DARREL WILLIAMS almost free, and although he isn't quite as talented, notice all the other factors of why people are high on a back in fantasy, most of them apply here.  He would likely get a bunch of work in the event of an C-E-H injury.  Last time I checked, backs can and DO get hurt in fantasy. 

I am getting this guy everywhere, in every league I can as a bench stash.   Beat your league to the punch, and own this guy before anything happens. You will be sitting on the #1 free agent claim bar none if CEH goes down. Even if you don't care for the talent or believe he will get that much work, I definitely want the "free piece" of this offense on my roster if CEH gets injured. At worst he would be a strong trade piece to help you get someone else you want.

 I'm getting all the shares of this guy as an end-of-bench stash I can stand.

 TZM

 
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tangfoot

Living Slackmaster
If White goes down at any point, JJ becomes a potential league-winner imo unless Harris is the real deal once he returns. JJ is like healthy Dion Lewis, who was insane (for about 8 total games during his career but still).
Yes, I can see this.  A potential league-winner when everyone has him on their bench and then chases the points tail for the rest of the season.  NE RB is a complete crap shoot, this year even more so.

 

JFS171

Footballguy
If White goes down at any point, JJ becomes a potential league-winner imo unless Harris is the real deal once he returns. JJ is like healthy Dion Lewis, who was insane (for about 8 total games during his career but still).
I’ve been wondering if Nelson was worth an add for the RB desperate. He’s short, but he’s pretty thick and super quick. 

 

ConnSKINS26

Footballguy
Yes, I can see this.  A potential league-winner when everyone has him on their bench and then chases the points tail for the rest of the season.  NE RB is a complete crap shoot, this year even more so.
White’s the most consistent as the receiving RB. If he gets hurt, JJ could get interesting in that role. I doubt Harris fills it. We’re talking someone who’s free, the odds are obviously low. 

 

daylight

Footballguy
Anyone find D Thompson’s (KCC) complete lack of touches last night significant?

i mean, is he worth rostering over any other LOTTOs?

 

TZMarkie

Footballguy
Anyone find D Thompson’s (KCC) complete lack of touches last night significant?

i mean, is he worth rostering over any other LOTTOs?
He is absolutely worth rostering over a bunch of the long dart throws.  I might not put him into the "elite handcuff status" like Pollard, but no way am I cutting this guy yet.

Lottery tickets are scratched off and Powerball numbers pulled every week fellas. :D

Remember, it's not about current touches or immediate value, its about the value when a situation changes.

 Sure Helaire looked good last night, but the Texan defense looked really bad at times, and I would suspect that many teams will start this way this year due to the preseason "issues".

CEH won't have it that easy all season long, but what is more important, is the potential workload for Williams if CEH goes down. That's whats important in most of these situations. I look for the potential workload opportunity, and unless the talent is abysmal, the upside usually comes alongside opportunity.

You guys can bail if you like, but I am holding.

 I wouldn't be holding Williams if I need a starter, and I could pick up someone like Robinson, but thats also a completely different matter.

I'm holding Williams and Pollard everywhere (Pollard in 4/4 leagues). I really don't see someone else I would rather have, that wasn't already likely drafted by another team.

 TZM

 
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daylight

Footballguy
He is absolutely worth rostering over a bunch of the long dart throws.  I might not put him into the "elite handcuff status" like Pollard, but no way am I cutting this guy yet.

Lottery tickets are scratched off and Powerball numbers pulled every week fellas. :D

Remember, it's not about current touches or immediate value, its about the value when a situation changes.

 Sure Helaire looked good last night, but the Texan defense looked really bad at times, and I would suspect that many teams will start this way this year due to the preseason "issues".

CEH won't have it that easy all season long, but what is more important, is the potential workload for Williams if CEH goes down. That's whats important in most of these situations. I look for the potential workload opportunity, and unless the talent is abysmal, the upside usually comes alongside opportunity.

You guys can bail if you like, but I am holding.

 I wouldn't be holding Williams if I need a starter, and I could pick up someone like Robinson, but thats also a completely different matter.

I'm holding Williams and Pollard everywhere (Pollard in 4/4 leagues). I really don't see someone else I would rather have, that wasn't already likely drafted by another team.

 TZM
TOTALLY agree on Williams - I drafted him in all my leagues - and I'll hold him all year.

My question was about D Thompson though - FWIW I drafted him with my last pick in all my leagues b/c I'm obsessed with the KCC backfield but after Thursdays game  I've dropped him in all my leagues.

As a side note, I think the KCC coaches saw the opener vs. HOU defense as an "extended practice" and that's why they gave CEH 25 carries (and no passing targets).  Not to say he won't continue to produce - just that Thursday's touch distribution won't be the norm.  That said, I'm still off Thompson and still very high on Williams.

 

daylight

Footballguy
Hey, regardless of “status” (Lotto, Handcuff, etc.) - if they became the clear starter for any reason...

What are your Top 5 Season Changing - King Makers to hold?

Here’s mine:

  1. Darrel Williams KC
  2. Dobbins BAL
  3. Pollard DAL
  4. Mattison MIN
  5. Chase Edmonds ARZ
 
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Faust

MVP
Fantasy Football Impact: Eagles' Miles Sanders ruled OUT for Sunday's Week 1 matchup against Washington

Excerpts:

BOSTON SCOTT

Scott was heavily involved in the Eagles’ offense during their final four games of the 2019 regular season:

– Week 14: 10-59-1 rushing, 6-69-0 receiving, PPR RB5
– Week 15: 6-26-0 rushing, 7-39-0 receiving, PPR RB23
– Week 16: 3-12-0 rushing, 6-7-0 receiving, PPR RB38
– Week 17: 19-54-3 rushing, 4-84-0 receiving, PPR RB2

The latter performance featured a season-high 74% snap rate when Sanders was injured early in the contest. This is the potential upside for Scott: a true three-down role with a high-end receiving floor.

Flirting with 20 rush attempts seems unlikely now that the Eagles don’t have to address the issue on the fly during the middle of the game. We also shouldn’t necessarily expect six or more receptions considering the presence of the next RB we’ll discuss. Still, Scott appears in line for at least 10-15 rush attempts with five-plus targets all but guaranteed in an offense with multiple injuries already at the WR position.

This is an incredible fantasy-friendly workload and warrants RB2-level exposure. I've slid in Scott as my PPR RB20 ahead of Week 1. This puts him just behind more-established lead backs like Raheem Mostert (RB18) and Todd Gurley (RB19) but ahead of more questionable workload options like Melvin Gordon (RB20), Mark Ingram (RB21), Cam Akers (RB22) and Jonathan Taylor (RB23)


COREY CLEMENT

Clement was a Super Bowl hero back in the 2017 season, catching 4-of-5 targets for 100 yards and a score against the Patriots. 2018 wasn’t quite as productive, while 2019 resulted in zero offensive touches due to a combination of injuries and not-great performances (two fumbles on four total returns).

The training camp reports on Clement paint the picture of a back ready to rebound to some extent:

“The oft-injured running back looks healthy this summer. Clement, a Glassboro native, appears to have returned to his 2017 rookie form after spending the offseason in the weight room. He ran with the first-team offense regularly this week with Sanders (lower body) and Scott (lower body) sidelined with injuries. Clement is the team’s clear third running back.”

Double-digit touches could absolutely be in store for Clement, although his health is somewhat of a concern after he was a late addition to the injury report on Thursday with a quad injury. Clement didn’t receive an injury designation and is good to go for Sunday, but Scott is clearly the starter.

I've bumped Clement up to RB45, one spot ahead of handcuffs like Latavius Murray (RB46) and Chase Edmonds (RB47) but behind likely more established No. 2 options like Justin Jackson(RB43) and D'Andre Swift (RB44)

 

Faust

MVP
49ers coach Kyle Shanahan said it will be Tevin Coleman's choice to sit in Week 1 if the air in San Francisco doesn't clear.

Coleman, who was held out of practice Friday with preexisting sickle cell trait, will have the choice to be inactive if he feels like the air quality in the Bay Area remains polluted (AQI of 150-plus). The simple move for fantasy players is to roster Jerick McKinnon (wherever applicable) to keep on standby just in case. If Coleman sits, Raheem Mostert would likely handle 20-plus carries with McKinnon seeing 6-8 targets on passing downs.

SOURCE: Nick Wagoner on Twitter

Sep 11, 2020, 5:07 PM ET
The McKinnon lotto ticket might pay off in week 1 if Coleman sits.

 

TZMarkie

Footballguy
daylight said:
Hey, regardless of “status” (Lotto, Handcuff, etc.) - if they became the clear starter for any reason...

What are your Top 5 Season Changing - King Makers to hold?

Here’s mine:

  1. Darrel Williams KC
  2. Dobbins BAL
  3. Pollard DAL
  4. Mattison MIN
  5. Chase Edwards ARZ
Ours are pretty close brother.     Before I even looked down your list, I started naming mine, and its pretty much exact. (And I see its not necessarily the talent aspect, but you let "situation" influence your thoughts too, as it should)

I have no desire to hold D. Thompson though..... he would need a parlay of injuries to have that big path.  It could happen though.

I won't rank mine in any specific order, but I'm clutching onto TONY POLLARD as my probably biggest ticket to riches if something happens. ALEXANDER MATTISON is right there riding "handcuff kingmaker shotgun" (tm). :D   Workload would be huge and hes looked great filling in at times. Williams obviously, for scenario and offensive situation. And LATAVIUS MURRAY is one I own everywhere 4/4 even though I don't have Kamara anywhere.

I'm not quite as high on J.K. DOBBINS since they have a dining room table full of mouths to feed in that backfield.

A.J. Dillon  has a good early fantasy playoff schedule if he is the last man standing for GB, I start looking for those *schedule sparklers* mid to late season most years and keep an eye on those.

DARRYNTON EVANS I have viewed all offseason as a must have for the Henry owners.....as the offense is built around their run game. (Obviously Henry is the one to build around, but I can't help but think Evans would still get a big workload if something were to happen to Henry) But also realize they seem to have THE EASIEST FF SCHEDULE FROM WEEKS 14-17 FOR RBs!!!   So Evans must not be ignored, and should be owned everywhere.  He is yet another kingmaker that is being under-hyped.  So there is one that has the right situation, a potentially massive workload if Henry goes down, and the easiest FF playoff schedule to boot. Green lights everywhere on this guy.

JALEN RICHARD has MIAMI IN CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK 16 if things fall that way.   :football:  

 I start looking at these late season schedules and backfield trends mid season in a bit more depth.  But Darrynton Evans is now among my biggest kingmaker guys if things fall right. Sadly, I own him nowhere, as I went other directions due to roster construction.

 Going to have to snag this guy in the appropriate spots.

 TZM

 
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BobbyLayne

Footballguy
Five who haven't generated much discussion so far in this thread:

  • Hines is sure handed and Rivers will check down a lot. Taylor has the potential and was very productive in college but I don't think he'll be on the field much in passing situations bc of his drop tendencies and lack of pass pro
  • Snell doesn't offer much in PPR leagues. Good one-cut runner but not talented enough to take the job away. Last night the O-line had a good game and to his credit he was decisive, but not special IMO. But the situation is good and scheme/usage can be everything sometimes.
  • ADP is going to lead Detroit in rushing all year IMO. You would think logically he won't be very involved in the passing game with Kerryon and D'Andre around but that wasn't how it played out Week 1. The old man is the best RB on the team by a good margin IMO.
  • Kelley is less exciting to me in PPR but his usage and the way he was a major part of the run game in a close contest would indicate to me he's Eckler's 1B. I think a lot of people are worried they overpaid for the Chargers starter.
  • Kenyan Drake had a phenomenal second half in 2019 but I still like Chase Edmonds situation in PPR. They ran 78 plays last week and I think their D is legit. I could see them dominating plays run all year, and Drake has never been a full season bell cow.
 
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daylight

Footballguy
Five who haven't generated much discussion so far in this thread:

  • Hines is sure handed and Rivers will check down a lot. Taylor has the potential and was very productive in college but I don't think he'll be on the field much in passing situations bc of his drop tendencies and lack of pass pro
  • Snell doesn't offer much in PPR leagues. Good one-cut runner but not talented enough to take the job away. Last night the O-line had a good game and to his credit he was decisive, but not special IMO. But the situation is good and scheme/usage can be everything sometimes.
  • ADP is going to lead Detroit in rushing all year IMO. You would think logically he won't be very involved in the passing game with Kerryon and D'Andre around but that wasn't how it played out Week 1. The old man is the best RB on the team by a good margin IMO.
  • Kelley is less exciting to me in PPR but his usage and the way he was a major part of the run game in a close contest would indicate to me he's Eckler's 1B. I think a lot of people are worried they overpaid for the Chargers starter.
  • Kenyan Drake had a phenomenal second half in 2019 but I still like Chase Edmonds situation in PPR. They ran 78 plays last week and I think their D is legit. I could see them dominating plays run all year, and Drake has never been a full season bell cow.
Love the analysis @BobbyLayne - all of these are Week 2 WW Darlings - but let me as you this: who are you putting your chip on THIS WEEK? Who is your current LOTTO? One of these 5 or someone else over these 5?

 

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