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Yeah, you don't go behind the super's back. So, he should go in and call a meeting with both the HR person and the super and lay it out. It's 3 freaking nights - they should be able to help him through that. He can't be that indispensable yet.
Agreed. But, as some have said, he learned the hard way that this company isn't concerned with him bettering himself. Better to learn early, instead of late.
Well, the company may, but the pissant supervisor may not. That's why getting HR (who made the agreement) and the super (who doesn't care) in the same room together to clarify whether this company will stand behind its promises when onboarding your son.
Not sure I would put it all on the company as a whole as much as a hard-### supervisor. Valmont is a big company and those guys do have to deal with a lot of crazy excuses for employees missing work. The people with legitimate reasons end up paying for it.
The newest employee in the company, who hasn't even started working yet, isn't going to "call a meeting with both the HR person and the super".
Yeah, maybe just get them in the same room.
This would be the worst course of action, IMO. It’s his battle. Give him advice, but let him fight it.
Is there an attendance policy? Surely not in a college English class. Y'all are going to run into a hell of a lot more difficult obstacles that really matter. If this is what's tripping you up you better get ready for way, way more difficult stuff in the future. Go speak to the instructor in person and stop acting like a victim. "What's wrong with some companies..?" Dude. What companies? What does that even mean? I guess I'm just venting as well. Sorry.
This - I apparently have multiple degrees and don't recall ever attending class...So dude's job started. And he has 3 class periods left in English class that conflict with his work schedule. That's what these entire two pages are about? And your options, as you see it, are either 1) take the job and quit school - or - 2) attend the three remaining class meetings and blow off the job..? This is nothing. This isn't a problem. It's three classes
I guess I'm just venting as well. Sorry.
I'm glad I started this thread so you have an outlet to vent. Sounds like you've been upset about this issue for some time.So dude's job started. And he has 3 class periods left in English class that conflict with his work schedule. That's what these entire two pages are about? And your options, as you see it, are either 1) take the job and quit school - or - 2) attend the three remaining class meetings and blow off the job..? This is nothing. This isn't a problem. It's three classes
I guess I'm just venting as well. Sorry.
But it is really only about three class periods. As was mentioned, typically college classes don't require attendance. He spent all quarter doing all the work. How many more assignments were really left? Did he already have enough completed to still get a passing grade and get his degree without doing anything else? It seems like there really wouldn't be much left to do and it should be easy to communicate with the instructor to make arrangements to get the last couple of assignments or tests completed. Granted the company should honor their agreement but it sounds like the supervisor is being a hard ###. I would think reasoning and getting the supervisor together with the other company rep that made the agreement should also take place. But I think it would go a lot further if you knew what was really required to finish off the class. Maybe it's just one of the times to take the final and he can take a long lunch to finish the test or something.
I've tried to communicate what is needed.
All classes have assignments that make up your grade. How much is the last presentation worth? What is his current grade in the class? If he gets a zero what does that do to his grade and will it prevent him from getting his degree? The point I am trying to make is that he may have done enough to get credit for the class and get his degree without doing the final presentation. This maybe a non-issue if the presentation doesn't matter to him passing the class. If he needs a certain grade on the presentation to pass then how long is the presentation? Can he miss 1 hr or 2 hr of work to do the presentation?
He's a welder. He's much better at math than he is at English. And this is English II. So, to put it nicely, he's struggled with this class. He has to do well on the final assignment to pass the class. It's entirely his fault that he is in this situation. I suggested that he take his gen ed classes, specifically his English classes, before his last quarter. I knew if he failed, regardless of having a new job, it could delay him earning his degree and would extend his time needed to finish. But, that is completely separate from making an arrangement with the company when he was hired. Which is the point of this thread. Why does the company get to alter that agreement? He's finished his training and, from what he tells me, he's done very well. That's a result of him spending time and money going to school to develop those tools.
His last assignment was a cost analysis presentation to a faux board of directors on upgrading welding equipment site wide to improve company growth, improve efficiency, and lower overall costs. She asked him to pick something else. I think he landed on something to do with video game development. He hasn't asked me to hear his presentation. I expect that's coming this weekend.
One of our staff picked up an overtime shift a few weeks ago on a monday. That friday, which would have given her 48 hours for the week, they called in a PRN worker and cancelled her.Son just got home from working the day shift. He attended a short meeting of his normal swing shift crew before he left. They didn't have enough work, so they were going to send one person home.
THIS is what's wrong with some companies.
If they asked her if she wanted to pick up overtime, they should have honored it. Otherwise, they should have been up front about "switching" her Friday to Monday. Maybe she would have been happy to trade days.
Sweet. What's the pay like as a welder? Always think it's cool when someone can fabricate a piece they need
Just under $20 an hour to start.
I got a good friend who is a welder for the city. He became official maybe 7-8 years ago. You can definitely make good money. Like a lot of job though gotta start somewhere.
I'm happy for him.
He is definitely in an in demand field, but the best money and best opportunities will require moving to where the work is. Of course he can stay with the place he is in now and make a career if possible, but 100K a year for a welder is not unheard of in the least.
Certainly. He's going to spend a year or two working at his current company. He's talked about some organization that travels a group of welders around the country working on different projects. He heard about it from someone while he was taking classes. Not sure about the specifics or pay. But, he said they pay for all travel expenses. He was thinking that might be a cool way to see the country and work on different things while gaining more experience.
He's not a big fan of water/swimming. I mentioned this to him when he started his schooling. He said he'll just make as much as he can on dry land.
Whether it's metal or wood, or whatever, someone that knows how to create something out of nothing is pretty cool. And it's becoming a lost art to a degree.
My buddy that has been a welder for a while now loves making stuff. Spoon tulips, skateboard doggy dishes, keg benches, and even stuff with leather and wood like LED signs, purses, wallets. He made a day bed out of a clawfoot tub........everyone's favorite are his phone lamps where he takes old rotary phones and turns them into lamps. He did some nice steel signs for a couple local businesses as well. Also made some taller lamps out of old surveyor stands our other friend had left over from his city job.
He needs to start maxing out what he is putting into his 401K. Don't limit it to 10%. At this point he won't feel the loss and will get used to it. He will be much happier on the back end if he does this.
Best possible outcome.
