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The Biden Years - Every day something more shocking than the last!! (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
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Juxtatarot
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For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”. The key paragraph:
These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware.
Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell.
quick-hands
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moleculo
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GoBirds
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This article from lead CNN reporter seems handy, even a year ago Hunter was on his radar although he hasn’t seemed to have been his focus recently with the laptop issues.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/12/cnns_toobin_donald_trump_in_a_way_has_already_won_hunter_biden_a_real_challenge_for_us_as_journalists.html
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/12/cnns_toobin_donald_trump_in_a_way_has_already_won_hunter_biden_a_real_challenge_for_us_as_journalists.html
AAABatteries
Footballguy
This was my point to Max about Schiff comments - I think the emails are real but how they were obtained and the narrative around what they mean is being pushed by Russians.
Summer Wheat
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Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread. This is the Biden thread. We should expect better out of Biden..or should we?
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AAABatteries
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We should expect better out of all of our politicians. If somebody was not voting for Trump solely because of corruption and nepotism issues* then it may be fair to examine this and determine whether you feel this is the same. So don’t vote for either - don’t use it as some lame excuse to vote for Trump.
*I’m guessing there’s not a lot of one issue voters who has this as their one issue
**And that is a general comment, not saying YOU but the collective you/us
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Max Power
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Ill read it when I have time to. From the title, the word former means they are not currently briefed on this information.
Thunderlips
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted?
Philo Beddoe
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
To think Trump supporters hitched their wagon to a Hunter Biden Scandal for their October Surprises. Thats the "Indy Fake Punt Formation" play of the political world.
knowledge dropper
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pantherclub
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Counter point. Its been six days and we have been told there is child porn on the drive and Hunter is still walking free. Hmmmmm....... Also the FBI has had it almost a year and Hunter is still walking free. Hmmmmmmm......
Goodell's Alias
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Haven't really followed the story very closely. Can you offer a Cliff's Notes version of the actual facts?
Anarchy99
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I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden.
But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened?
Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal?
But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened?
Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal?
squistion
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It's been 6 days and none of the facts have been confirmed by any reputable independent source. None.
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massraider
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It's funny that this is the question, right? That's how much clarity this story has.
Basically, some sort of influence peddling. You have to 'connect the dots', alas.
parrot
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This is the "shocking" Biden thread. If you want me to find something shocking you need to find something that doesn't pale in comparison to the stuff I've watched on a daily basis for four years. I mean I guess I am shocked that he paid his sister only $53k to manage his campaign. I guess I'm also shocked that this is the best financial dirt they were able to uncover on Biden despite clearly trying very hard. They all seem like reasonable amounts for various levels of campaign work. It makes me think he's much more squeaky clean than I ever imagined. I'm also also shocked that they even bothered to go to print with such a nothing burger, but even a nothing burger is still meat for the base I guess. Nothing shocking there.
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Juxtatarot
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I guess the claim is going to be that something might be fishy and there should be an investigation.
There has never been a need for a crime. Just like Ukraine, there doesn’t need to be an investigation, just an announcement of one. All they want is something that looks bad so that they can get a ‘lock him up’ chant going, convince some not to vote or view it as another ‘lesser of two evils’ choice. It worked with Clinton, it isn’t going to work for Biden. People are voting in record numbers and all this is doing is firing up his base. No one is changing their vote at this point.
Anarchy99
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Didn't they already have investigations into the Joe / Hunter business influence connection angle and turned up nothing?
Coach Morris Buttermaker
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So let me get this straight. They provide no evidence. And this is the same crew that said the Fake Steele Dossier was real, and now the real Hunter Biden laptop is fake. Who falls for this stuff?
knowledge dropper
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HellToupee
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Anarchy99
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I asked rhetorically earlier this morning if the head of a pharma company sent DJT an email that thanked him for getting a company approved for COVID vaccine development and $10 million would be deposited for him soon, then what? Would that be considered fact? I mean, THERE'S AN EMAIL . . . what's to confirm?
In the current Hunter Biden email allegations, there is one email that discusses a proposed outcome for the framework of a deal . . . from 2017. There is nothing to show that resulted in a deal. There are no follow up emails from Hunter Biden. There is nothing to show that such a deal was even presented to Joe Biden, let alone accepted or implemented. There is nothing to show that Joe Biden was involved in any of that. AND he was no longer an elected official and at that point he was a civilian.
Since this is a fantasy website, let's say someone in a dynasty league last year offered me a trade involving Patrick Mahomes and Alvin Kamara for Sam Darnold and Mark Ingram and that team never answered me. That's the same as a completed trade, right? Now let's say 2 years earlier I was the league commissioner . . . and now you as another owner heard about the non-trade and are alleging I acted inappropriately and abused my power as commissioner to take advantage of another owner (even though I wasn't commissioner anymore).
Bottom line, where in this supposed treasure trove of emails, pictures, and videos is there direct evidence that Joe Biden while Vice President broke any laws?
squistion
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knowledge dropper
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Sounds easy for the Biden campaign to refute. Instead, they took him off the campaign trail.
knowledge dropper
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Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard.
Juxtatarot
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But even if they are valid, there isn't much/anything here from a criminal standpoint.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
There are 2 big reveals. One is the 2017 email where one person proposes giving Hunter $10x for "the big guy?"; the other is a 2015 email in which a Ukrainian proposes a meeting with Joe.
As far as I can tell, neither email refers to a potential crime.
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Anarchy99
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Let's try this again. While serving as an elected official for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden broke the law by doing ____________________________ and should be charged with _______________________. Now fill in the blanks. And while you are at it, please show the evidence that supports that.
squistion
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He is prepping for the debate not avoiding talking about these unverified emails.
Juxtatarot
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
If we want to go down a rabbit hole of connecting dots, Donald Trump met with Jeffrey Epstein and there are pictures of them together. Is that proof that Trump is a pedophile? Of course not, but Trump isn't denying it, so it must be true.
knowledge dropper
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I think we need more information. What influence was bring peddled. There’s smoke here. If he’s elected, I expect we will have months of investigations regarding Biden business deals with China and the Ukraine.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Now THAT’s funny.
He is prepping for the debate not avoiding talking about these unverified emails.
Anarchy99
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[scooter]
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If you have to say "we need more information" before you can even identify a single crime that you think was committed, then you've failed the test of American jurisprudence.
knowledge dropper
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knowledge dropper
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dkp993
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Hillary’s emails - This will get them this time!
IG report- This will get them this time!
Obamagate- This will get them this time!
Durham Report- This will get them this time!
Hunters emails- This will get them this time!
* sound familiar Trump supporters? Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before.
IG report- This will get them this time!
Obamagate- This will get them this time!
Durham Report- This will get them this time!
Hunters emails- This will get them this time!
* sound familiar Trump supporters? Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before.
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
It is just so amazing that those calling the Russia investigation a "hoax" are all in on this stuff.
[scooter]
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You opposed the Russia investigation because you disbelieved Trump's own words on a transcript, but you favor an investigation into Joe Biden based solely on unanswered emails from 2 people not named Joe or Hunter Biden.
knowledge dropper
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Great Read.
If Biden Were a Republican https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/if-biden-were-a-republican/
If Biden Were a Republican https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/if-biden-were-a-republican/
knowledge dropper
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It’s also amazing those all in on the 2-year Russia investigation that ended in “no collusion,” quickly poo poo this.
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