gianmarco Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said: Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 "Deep State", right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said: Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 @Max Power - curious your take on MT’s link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said: Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”. The key paragraph: Quote It is for all these reasons that we write to say that the arrival on the US political scene of emails purportedly belonging to Vice President Biden’s son Hunter, much of it related to his time serving on the Board of the Ukrainian gas company Burisma, has all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation. These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware. Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quick-hands Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said: Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 Even if its not. Hilarious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moleculo Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 39 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”. The key paragraph: These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware. Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell. This is probably the first post in this thread that makes sense. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBirds Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 This article from lead CNN reporter seems handy, even a year ago Hunter was on his radar although he hasn’t seemed to have been his focus recently with the laptop issues. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/12/cnns_toobin_donald_trump_in_a_way_has_already_won_hunter_biden_a_real_challenge_for_us_as_journalists.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 51 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: For what it’s worth, they aren’t directly calling it “disinformation”. The key paragraph: These could be real emails obtained in a hack by Russians that made their way to Giuliani. I assume real emails can’t technically be “disinformation” unless that term is used more broadly than I am aware. Of course, to verify the accuracy is very difficult. I suspect they are real because there doesn’t seem to be much to them legally. If Russians were going to fabricate stuff, wouldn’t they be more damning? Perhaps the only serious criminal activity by an American in all this was committed by Giuliani but time will hopefully tell. This was my point to Max about Schiff comments - I think the emails are real but how they were obtained and the narrative around what they mean is being pushed by Russians. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summer Wheat Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, parrot said: Yeah, I'm confused, are we supposed to be shocked that members of the Biden family might have profited from his campaign, or laugh at how bad they are at it compared to the Trumps? I mean $150k? Trump paid almost that much in hush money to a porn star. Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread. This is the Biden thread. We should expect better out of Biden..or should we? Edited October 20, 2020 by Summer Wheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAABatteries Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said: Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread. This is the Biden thread. We should expect better out of Biden..or should we? We should expect better out of all of our politicians. If somebody was not voting for Trump solely because of corruption and nepotism issues* then it may be fair to examine this and determine whether you feel this is the same. So don’t vote for either - don’t use it as some lame excuse to vote for Trump. *I’m guessing there’s not a lot of one issue voters who has this as their one issue **And that is a general comment, not saying YOU but the collective you/us Edited October 20, 2020 by AAABatteries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, AAABatteries said: @Max Power - curious your take on MT’s link. Ill read it when I have time to. From the title, the word former means they are not currently briefed on this information. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderlips Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said: Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread. This is the Biden thread. We should expect better out of Biden..or should we? One should always expect better out of their candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamny Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, GoBirds said: This article from lead CNN reporter seems handy, even a year ago Hunter was on his radar although he hasn’t seemed to have been his focus recently with the laptop issues. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/12/12/cnns_toobin_donald_trump_in_a_way_has_already_won_hunter_biden_a_real_challenge_for_us_as_journalists.html That's the same guy that just got caught masturbating during a Zoom session...lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Beddoe Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 52 minutes ago, Max Power said: Ill read it when I have time to. From the title, the word former means they are not currently briefed on this information. Clapper & Brennan signed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderlips Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 To think Trump supporters hitched their wagon to a Hunter Biden Scandal for their October Surprises. Thats the "Indy Fake Punt Formation" play of the political world. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, Thunderlips said: To think Trump supporters hitched their wagon to a Hunter Biden Scandal for their October Surprises. Thats the "Indy Fake Punt Formation" play of the political world. Hunter is just the bat boy. We all know who the Big Guy is in these emails. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherclub Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 45 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted? Counter point. Its been six days and we have been told there is child porn on the drive and Hunter is still walking free. Hmmmmm....... Also the FBI has had it almost a year and Hunter is still walking free. Hmmmmmmm...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodell's Alias Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted? Haven't really followed the story very closely. Can you offer a Cliff's Notes version of the actual facts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened? Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squistion Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, knowledge dropper said: So it’s been 6 days and none of the facts of have been refuted? It's been 6 days and none of the facts have been confirmed by any reputable independent source. None. Edited October 20, 2020 by squistion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massraider Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It's funny that this is the question, right? That's how much clarity this story has. Basically, some sort of influence peddling. You have to 'connect the dots', alas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parrot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Summer Wheat said: Yes that has been covered in the Trump thread. This is the Biden thread. We should expect better out of Biden..or should we? This is the "shocking" Biden thread. If you want me to find something shocking you need to find something that doesn't pale in comparison to the stuff I've watched on a daily basis for four years. I mean I guess I am shocked that he paid his sister only $53k to manage his campaign. I guess I'm also shocked that this is the best financial dirt they were able to uncover on Biden despite clearly trying very hard. They all seem like reasonable amounts for various levels of campaign work. It makes me think he's much more squeaky clean than I ever imagined. I'm also also shocked that they even bothered to go to print with such a nothing burger, but even a nothing burger is still meat for the base I guess. Nothing shocking there. Edited October 20, 2020 by parrot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, massraider said: It's funny that this is the question, right? That's how much clarity this story has. Basically, some sort of influence peddling. You have to 'connect the dots', alas. I guess the claim is going to be that something might be fishy and there should be an investigation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biff84 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 48 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened? Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? There has never been a need for a crime. Just like Ukraine, there doesn’t need to be an investigation, just an announcement of one. All they want is something that looks bad so that they can get a ‘lock him up’ chant going, convince some not to vote or view it as another ‘lesser of two evils’ choice. It worked with Clinton, it isn’t going to work for Biden. People are voting in record numbers and all this is doing is firing up his base. No one is changing their vote at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, Juxtatarot said: I guess the claim is going to be that something might be fishy and there should be an investigation. Didn't they already have investigations into the Joe / Hunter business influence connection angle and turned up nothing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Morris Buttermaker Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 7 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said: Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/19/hunter-biden-story-russian-disinfo-430276 So let me get this straight. They provide no evidence. And this is the same crew that said the Fake Steele Dossier was real, and now the real Hunter Biden laptop is fake. Who falls for this stuff? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, squistion said: It's been 6 days and none of the facts have been confirmed by any reputable independent source. None. They are e-mails. Read them. What’s there to confirm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellToupee Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Goodell's Alias said: Haven't really followed the story very closely. Can you offer a Cliff's Notes version of the actual facts? @squistion Please if you be so kind , check the old notebook tia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: They are e-mails. Read them. What’s there to confirm? I asked rhetorically earlier this morning if the head of a pharma company sent DJT an email that thanked him for getting a company approved for COVID vaccine development and $10 million would be deposited for him soon, then what? Would that be considered fact? I mean, THERE'S AN EMAIL . . . what's to confirm? In the current Hunter Biden email allegations, there is one email that discusses a proposed outcome for the framework of a deal . . . from 2017. There is nothing to show that resulted in a deal. There are no follow up emails from Hunter Biden. There is nothing to show that such a deal was even presented to Joe Biden, let alone accepted or implemented. There is nothing to show that Joe Biden was involved in any of that. AND he was no longer an elected official and at that point he was a civilian. Since this is a fantasy website, let's say someone in a dynasty league last year offered me a trade involving Patrick Mahomes and Alvin Kamara for Sam Darnold and Mark Ingram and that team never answered me. That's the same as a completed trade, right? Now let's say 2 years earlier I was the league commissioner . . . and now you as another owner heard about the non-trade and are alleging I acted inappropriately and abused my power as commissioner to take advantage of another owner (even though I wasn't commissioner anymore). Bottom line, where in this supposed treasure trove of emails, pictures, and videos is there direct evidence that Joe Biden while Vice President broke any laws? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squistion Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: They are e-mails. Read them. What’s there to confirm? Emails have not been seen by independent sources to verify their validity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, squistion said: Emails have not been seen by independent sources to verify their validity. Sounds easy for the Biden campaign to refute. Instead, they took him off the campaign trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: I asked rhetorically earlier this morning if the head of a pharma company sent DJT an email that thanked him for getting a company approved for COVID vaccine development and $10 million would be deposited for him soon, then what? Would that be considered fact? I mean, THERE'S AN EMAIL . . . what's to confirm? In the current Hunter Biden email allegations, there is one email that discusses a proposed outcome for the framework of a deal . . . from 2017. There is nothing to show that resulted in a deal. There are no follow up emails from Hunter Biden. There is nothing to show that such a deal was even presented to Joe Biden, let alone accepted or implemented. There is nothing to show that Joe Biden was involved in any of that. AND he was no longer an elected official and at that point he was a civilian. Since this is a fantasy website, let's say someone in a dynasty league last year offered me a trade involving Patrick Mahomes and Alvin Kamara for Sam Darnold and Mark Ingram and that team never answered me. That's the same as a completed trade, right? Now let's say 2 years earlier I was the league commissioner . . . and now you as another owner heard about the non-trade and are alleging I acted inappropriately and abused my power as commissioner to take advantage of another owner (even though I wasn't commissioner anymore). Bottom line, where in this supposed treasure trove of emails, pictures, and videos is there direct evidence that Joe Biden while Vice President broke any laws? Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, squistion said: Emails have not been seen by independent sources to verify their validity. But even if they are valid, there isn't much/anything here from a criminal standpoint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[scooter] Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Anarchy99 said: I have been paying some attention to the laptop story. But what is the “gotcha” moment here? It seems like the GOP is pointing to a 2017 email discussing equity splits that may involve the older Biden. But there is nothing that shows such an agreement was ever pursued further or finalized. And all that would have been AFTER JB was out of office. There is no response from the Bidens to that email. Put another way, if someone sent an email thanking DJT and referenced a $10 million payout for getting selected for vaccine development, that email would be proof that it actually happened? Assuming that this is all real (which it doesn’t even seem like anyone is trying to track down), what crime was committed? Unless I am missing something, there is one email that alluded to something that happened after Biden was in the private sector. Is that the big reveal? There are 2 big reveals. One is the 2017 email where one person proposes giving Hunter $10x for "the big guy?"; the other is a 2015 email in which a Ukrainian proposes a meeting with Joe. As far as I can tell, neither email refers to a potential crime. Edited October 20, 2020 by [scooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, knowledge dropper said: Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard. Let's try this again. While serving as an elected official for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden broke the law by doing ____________________________ and should be charged with _______________________. Now fill in the blanks. And while you are at it, please show the evidence that supports that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squistion Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: Sounds easy for the Biden campaign to refute. Instead, they took him off the campaign trail. He is prepping for the debate not avoiding talking about these unverified emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: Seems like a lot more evidence than I heard someone tell me about a phone call they heard. How so? What evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, [scooter] said: There are 2 big reveals. One is the 2017 email where one person proposes giving Hunter $10x for "the big guy?"; the other is a 2015 email in which a Ukraining proposes a meeting with Joe. As far as I can tell, neither email refers to a potential crime. If we want to go down a rabbit hole of connecting dots, Donald Trump met with Jeffrey Epstein and there are pictures of them together. Is that proof that Trump is a pedophile? Of course not, but Trump isn't denying it, so it must be true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: Let's try this again. While serving as an elected official for the United States, Vice President Joe Biden broke the law by doing ____________________________ and should be charged with _______________________. Now fill in the blanks. And while you are at it, please show the evidence that supports that. I think we need more information. What influence was bring peddled. There’s smoke here. If he’s elected, I expect we will have months of investigations regarding Biden business deals with China and the Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, squistion said: He is prepping for the debate not avoiding talking about these unverified emails. Now THAT’s funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anarchy99 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 1 minute ago, knowledge dropper said: I think we need more information. What influence was bring peddled. There’s smoke here. If he’s elected, I expect we will have months of investigations regarding Biden business deals with China and the Ukraine. They already danced this dance before and found nothing on Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[scooter] Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, knowledge dropper said: I think we need more information. If you have to say "we need more information" before you can even identify a single crime that you think was committed, then you've failed the test of American jurisprudence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Just now, [scooter] said: If you have to say "we need more information" before you can even identify a single crime that you think was committed, then you've failed the test of American jurisprudence. There is enough there to look into Biden taking bribes, in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Anarchy99 said: They already danced this dance before and found nothing on Biden. After the e-mails? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkp993 Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 Hillary’s emails - This will get them this time! IG report- This will get them this time! Obamagate- This will get them this time! Durham Report- This will get them this time! Hunters emails- This will get them this time! * sound familiar Trump supporters? Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juxtatarot Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 It is just so amazing that those calling the Russia investigation a "hoax" are all in on this stuff. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[scooter] Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said: 5 minutes ago, [scooter] said: If you have to say "we need more information" before you can even identify a single crime that you think was committed, then you've failed the test of American jurisprudence. There is enough there to look into Biden taking bribes, in my opinion You opposed the Russia investigation because you disbelieved Trump's own words on a transcript, but you favor an investigation into Joe Biden based solely on unanswered emails from 2 people not named Joe or Hunter Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 Great Read. If Biden Were a Republican https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/10/if-biden-were-a-republican/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knowledge dropper Posted October 20, 2020 Author Share Posted October 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said: It is just so amazing that those calling the Russia investigation a "hoax" are all in on this stuff. It’s also amazing those all in on the 2-year Russia investigation that ended in “no collusion,” quickly poo poo this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megla Posted October 20, 2020 Share Posted October 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, dkp993 said: Hillary’s emails - This will get them this time! IG report- This will get them this time! Obamagate- This will get them this time! Durham Report- This will get them this time! Hunters emails- This will get them this time! * sound familiar Trump supporters? Almost like we’ve seen this line of thinking before. It sounds familiar for sure, just from another POV 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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