Assuming Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance are all selected in the top ten, I would rather have Parsons, Sewell or Slater at 12. I'm not reaching for the 4th WR there.what about terrance marshall WR from LSU at 12? this is assuming waddle, smith, chase, pitts are gone.
i would also think horn and surtain gone too
Parsons and sewell will be gone tooAssuming Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance are all selected in the top ten, I would rather have Parsons, Sewell or Slater at 12. I'm not reaching for the 4th WR there.
With all the assumptions made, one of Parsons, Sewell or Slater will be there at 12. I'll take any of those guys over Marshall who might be available with our 2nd round round pick.Parsons and sewell will be gone too
haha give us your top 11 guys taken... you can't say all these guys will be gone.Parsons and sewell will be gone too
what about terrance marshall WR from LSU at 12? this is assuming waddle, smith, chase, pitts are gone.
i would also think horn and surtain gone too
They can't all be gone.Parsons and sewell will be gone too
Forget Sewell for sure. If 4 QBs are taken before 12, one of Waddle or Slater should be there. If 5 QBs are taken, Parsons night also be there at 12.With all the assumptions made, one of Parsons, Sewell or Slater will be there at 12. I'll take any of those guys over Marshall who might be available with our 2nd round round pick.
One of Waddle or Slater WILL be there if 4 QB's are taken. I think 5 are taken but let's conservatively say 4.Forget Sewell for sure. If 4 QBs are taken before 12, one of Waddle or Slater should be there. If 5 QBs are taken, Parsons night also be there at 12.
i like your order.One of Waddle or Slater WILL be there if 4 QB's are taken. I think 5 are taken but let's conservatively say 4.
Lawrence
Wilson
Mac/Lance/Fields (2 of these will go)
Mac/Lance/Fields (2 of these will go)
Sewell
Chase
Smith
Waddle
Pitts
Surtain
Horn
Parsons
Which of these guys are we not happy with picking at pick 12?
I see mocks that have Smith at 15 and Horn at 16. Someone will be there.i like your order.
not a fan of slater at 12.
haha wasn't really an order, just listing by position.i like your order.
not a fan of slater at 12.
and we will take some west coast bum no one has ever heard ofI see mocks that have Smith at 15 and Horn at 16. Someone will be there.
I want Smith AND Horn. Only having 1 first round pick sucks.I see mocks that have Smith at 15 and Horn at 16. Someone will be there.
i like them all. I dont think we would ever draft parsons thoughhaha wasn't really an order, just listing by position.
Slater isn't in my list there. Which of those 12 guys I listed would you NOT want at 12? One of them has to be there.
Ya I don't think we take Parsons. I'm just really hoping he gets taken before 12. I think we're going to have our choice of Horn or Smith. Some random is going to slip into the top 11 that no one had there. Maybe even the 5th QB.i like them all. I dont think we would ever draft parsons though
Too much loyalty to older players but thats not just on Doug either. Blame Howie for extending an Alshon and Lurie signing off on the move. Bringing JP back as wellTravis Fulgham had the nicest stretch of production we have seen in years and was sent to the bench for his effort. Part of the reason doug was fired I would think.
At 12? No thats a round too high for himwhat about terrance marshall WR from LSU at 12? this is assuming waddle, smith, chase, pitts are gone.
i would also think horn and surtain gone too
I'm calling it now but I think CAR takes Parson's to finally replace LK and the whole they are looking for a QB in the first is a smoke screen.Assuming Lawrence, Fields, Wilson and Lance are all selected in the top ten, I would rather have Parsons, Sewell or Slater at 12. I'm not reaching for the 4th WR there.
I'd do back flips. Give me Toney anyway. He can literally do it all as a WR in terms of skill wise. Not a huge burst but a tremendous playmaker. Fredex was a great Slot guy for what he was here but Toney is a way better playmaker. He's a bigger Percy HarvinWith the 12th pick, Eagles select... Freddie Mitchell, I mean Kaydorius Toney.
Slater wouldn't be my preference but he's literally the worst case scenario unless someone gets hurt.i like your order.
not a fan of slater at 12.
Given the contract of Wentz, I don't think it's that bad if we got the same for Wentz as they did for Darnold. Darnold had no weapons, no coach, no RB. Tanny did well without him. I think he succeeds in Carolina, and also think we get a 1st for Wentz.So, the Jets/Panthers trade means:
- Carolina is definitely not taking a QB at 8
- If we wind up with a 2nd rounder for Wentz, we'll have gotten slightly more for Wentz than the Jets got for Darnold
Good list..A couple random thoughts:Carolina trade shakes things up a bit. Sure they could go Parsons, but I think a stud WR would be huge for them too.
JAX Lawrence
NYJ Wilson
SF Fields/Mac/Lance
ATL Sewell
CIN Chase
MIA Pitts
DET Fields/Mac/Lance
CAR Waddle
DEN Fields/Mac/Lance
DAL Surtain
NYG Holt/Smith
PHI Holt/Smith
I like it!
How do we get a 1st for Wentz again? Performance based right?Given the contract of Wentz, I don't think it's that bad if we got the same for Wentz as they did for Darnold. Darnold had no weapons, no coach, no RB. Tanny did well without him. I think he succeeds in Carolina, and also think we get a 1st for Wentz.
Wouldn't be shocked if MIA took Waddle/Smith to pair with Tua again. I can see Carolina taking Parsons. If Pitts falls wouldn't be shocked to see Dal take him but they need help in the Secondary big time NYG needs a lot.Carolina trade shakes things up a bit. Sure they could go Parsons, but I think a stud WR would be huge for them too.
JAX Lawrence
NYJ Wilson
SF Fields/Mac/Lance
ATL Sewell
CIN Chase
MIA Pitts
DET Fields/Mac/Lance
CAR Waddle
DEN Fields/Mac/Lance
DAL Surtain
NYG Holt/Smith
PHI Holt/Smith
I like it!
He has to play 75% of the snaps or 70% if Indy makes the playoffs.How do we get a 1st for Wentz again? Performance based right?
Thanks I get confused at times because numerous sites and writers and such talk like it's a forgone conclusion we get the 1st. No one barely event mentions the parameters of trade.He has to play 75% of the snaps or 70% if Indy makes the playoffs.
No they can't, but if "1 LB" is the one that's left, I will beThey can't all be gone.
4 QBs
3 WRs
1 TE
2 CB
1 LB
1 OL
Can't all be gone before 12. And don't even suggest that NEITHER Lance nor Mac Jones is taken top 11.
Evaluators seeing how TB LBs David and White controlled Kelce & KC might put more emphasis on the positionNo they can't, but if "1 LB" is the one that's left, I will be
Very few LBs impact the passing game enough to be value there. Parsons is only viable at #12 if he's talented enough and will be used in a way that will allow him to produce Willie T type production, 10+ sacks / INTs combined. If not, then pass.
Darrisaw would be my next pick I think, over Parsons. If you take an OT there, you need to have a deal lined up for Mailata or he'll leave as a FA at the end of the season, for maybe a 4th rnd comp pick. I think you could get maybe a 2 or at least a 3 for him.
The other route is to look at Paye or Phillips at Edge.
My counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?Evaluators seeing how TB LBs David and White controlled Kelce & KC might put more emphasis on the position
My counter to that is it’s a matchup driven league and nothing creates more mismatches than a dominant TE. The only way you stop it is with LBs that don’t switch out at the sight of 12 personnelMy counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?
Sure, I'm just not really sold that he is so great in coverage. I think he is better at blitzing on passing downs than he is in coverage. I see too much that hints at Jarrad Davis for him. Big and explosive but not always sure where to go. I still a defense is likely getting a better edge adding a CB or Edge than a LB.My counter to that is it’s a matchup driven league and nothing creates more mismatches than a dominant TE. The only way you stop it is with LBs that don’t switch out at the sight of 12 personnel
My counter is: for how many years has the opposing TE totally decimated the Eagles defense. For as long as I can remember, the Eagles just get torn up in the intermediate routes.My counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?
Fair but I would rather get beat on intermediate routes in the middle of the field than deep routes down field (not that Philly has always been good at stopping that either). I would fix the CB issue or add a pass rusher before I worry about a TE to cover Blake Jarwin on a 6 yard curl.My counter is: for how many years has the opposing TE totally decimated the Eagles defense. For as long as I can remember, the Eagles just get torn up in the intermediate routes.
There's some validity to that, but if that's the takeaway from the Superbowl, I'd say the lack of pass protection for KC had a bigger impact than LB coverage on Kelce.Evaluators seeing how TB LBs David and White controlled Kelce & KC might put more emphasis on the position
Denver picks in top 10 though.My counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?
Well, supposedly Slay would cover the best wr at least. They do badly need help in that secondary though, I obviously agree there.Fair but I would rather get beat on intermediate routes in the middle of the field than deep routes down field (not that Philly has always been good at stopping that either). I would fix the CB issue or add a pass rusher before I worry about a TE to cover Blake Jarwin on a 6 yard curl.
There isn't a single DB on the team I *expect* to still be around in 2022, so I could see them loading up there if the draft falls the right way. LB is obviously a need and DL is a sneaky need too. BG is getting on and probably needs to transition to a Michael Bennett type role if he keeps playing and Cox is getting paid elite money but hasn't played that way consistently since 2018. That can't continue long.Well, supposedly Slay would cover the best wr at least. They do badly need help in that secondary though, I obviously agree there.
I honestly think they just need help up and down the roster. I would rank the need as OL, CB, LB. I take the best player from one of those positions and go from there.
I agree about hitting defense hard. They are old and, frankly, overpaid. That being said, their offensive line is awful. The qb,whomever that may be, needs time to do something, anything. They were getting murdered last year.There isn't a single DB on the team I *expect* to still be around in 2022, so I could see them loading up there if the draft falls the right way. LB is obviously a need and DL is a sneaky need too. BG is getting on and probably needs to transition to a Michael Bennett type role if he keeps playing and Cox is getting paid elite money but hasn't played that way consistently since 2018. That can't continue long.
I could easily see them loading up on young defenders and maybe only making 2 or 3 picks on Offense this year.
They were, but the trouble is they are stuck at least for this year and maybe 2 at some of those spots because of money. Lane Johnson has missed 13 games over the last 2 years but is too expensive to even consider moving on from. He's still good when he plays but the outlook for a 30yo with his injury history isn't promising.I agree about hitting defense hard. They are old and, frankly, overpaid. That being said, their offensive line is awful. The qb,whomever that may be, needs time to do something, anything. They were getting murdered last year.
I think I am at the point where the QB is so important that teams should be doing everything they can to build an OLINE and skilled group of pass catchers so they can have clarity when they do add a QB. The two worst things that can happen for a team are they draft a talented QB and waste him by not giving him the offense he needs to be successful. The next worse is drafting a bad QB and going back to him for multiple seasons because of the thought that "it's not his fault, we just need to get him some weapons and improve the line."I agree about hitting defense hard. They are old and, frankly, overpaid. That being said, their offensive line is awful. The qb,whomever that may be, needs time to do something, anything. They were getting murdered last year.
We just need good, young talent. If that's at LB, CB or wherever, take the BPA.Ash said:No they can't, but if "1 LB" is the one that's left, I will be
Very few LBs impact the passing game enough to be value there. Parsons is only viable at #12 if he's talented enough and will be used in a way that will allow him to produce Willie T type production, 10+ sacks / INTs combined. If not, then pass.
Darrisaw would be my next pick I think, over Parsons. If you take an OT there, you need to have a deal lined up for Mailata or he'll leave as a FA at the end of the season, for maybe a 4th rnd comp pick. I think you could get maybe a 2 or at least a 3 for him.
The other route is to look at Paye or Phillips at Edge.
Yep. Doesn’t matter the positions but they need to play, from day 1 and be impact players. We need at the very least 3 this year.We just need good, young talent. If that's at LB, CB or wherever, take the BPA.
Pitts. In NYG or DAL.My counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?
I want them to stay as far away from Fields as possible.With Carolina getting Darnold, I'm wondering if they could trade down a bit to recoup some picks. Perhaps, if Fields drops as has been rumored , Philly could trade back up? Not sure the actual cost (looking at the calculator it's only a 3rd, but there might be multiple teams trying to move up) but it would be worth looking at it.
If Dal or NYG get Pitts we are screwed. I hope Dal goes Defense like they should and Engram seems to have blackmail on the GM or someone inside the Org because any other team he's probably gone already.My counter to that is how many games a year will you be playing a TE capable of doing anything close to what Kelce can do?