Yes, I wonder how often they have scored TDs after having an explosive play? If you don't score then the best an explosive play can do is flip field position.
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2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Queued up a playlist of our greatest zits throughout the season for final game (14 Viewers)
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The Noid
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The Noid said:Gannon today: "We don't have a scheme, as a defense."
Also Gannon today: "We're not a dime team" (when asked why they haven't gone to dime, and swap an extra DB for a LB, in obvious passing situations or against teams running 11 personnel).
So, then you do have a scheme; your "scheme" is 2 LB minimum.
Just caught the part where he said: "I like to play out of 4 down [linemen] and 2 linebackers."
Dude, then that's your scheme. And after 4 games you could also make a case that, specifically, inverted cover-2 is their scheme. Puzzling why he (and even Sirianni) keeps trying to convince everyone, and themselves, they don't have a scheme.
Pigskin Fanatic
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guess they didn't know they had a scheme until they realize they have a scheme. i really really hope it's just growing pains, but boy oh boy Sirianni is much greener than expected. having no veteran presence on the field or the sideline with the parental oversight coming in from this FO. it's not good.
Bigboy10182000
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I think it’s just a version of “we’re using guys to the best of their abilities” type of coach speak. He seems to be the guy the media has zero’d in on as if KC hasn’t made better defenses look foolish.The Noid said:Gannon today: "We don't have a scheme, as a defense."
Also Gannon today: "We're not a dime team" (when asked why they haven't gone to dime, and swap an extra DB for a LB, in obvious passing situations or against teams running 11 personnel).
So, then you do have a scheme; your "scheme" is 2 LB minimum.
He should have just said “they’re a matchup nightmare and we don’t have any answers on this roster at the moment.” Any DC is gonna need way more than we have to have any kind of “scheme”
Bigboy10182000
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Scheme isn’t necessarily a personal grouping. Most teams have a base, nickel, dime etc. his 4 DL and 2 LBers are just a nickel look. Problem is we don’t have good LBers. We don’t have a Dime because we don’t have a 4th DB to get on the field.
This is a very similar defense that Indy ran a couple years back. We are a zone defense but we can ONLY run zone because we can’t man up which is what we saw under Swartz a ton and on the long Hill TD at the end of the game.
DJackson10
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renesauz said:
Yeah if I'm drafting any guy in the 2nd round he should be starting by year 2. The Eagles picked Hurts to back up Carson. Was never suppose to the starter long haul. It was just an overall dumb decision they got to live with now and hopefully they correct it or it corrects itself. Now if the Eagles felt like they had to draft a starting QB I think they would've went a different route then taking Hurts.
DJackson10
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Uruk-Hai said:
To be fair to the Eagles as a whole we're rebuilding with a new coaching staff and really don't know what we have. There's a few solid pieces here and there but we have no idea how good the offense or defense is or could be. If we had a stout defense like Baltimore had in the past or our own defense in the Jimmy Johnson era Id say roll with Hurts for now but if we have the opportunity to upgrade QB we shouldn't pass on that either.
Problem here is we are rebuilding in general. Just from talking to people there's a majority who don't see Hurts as the guy to lead this franchise going forward and it sound like the coaching staff will have say if it is Hurts or not. We'll see after this year what happens. However having watched Hurts since he was a freshman I'm cautiously optimistic he changes at all. It'd be great if he does turn out well because if we do end up with 3 high 1st rounders next year we can use those to make a couple of impact draft picks and upgrade other needs
DJackson10
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Bigboy10182000 said:
How many of those completions are over 5-10 yards though? We got receivers putting up a ton of RAC do to their ability and speed too.
DJackson10
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I'm starting to think the names we had interested in the bigger ones all turned it down because of a certain someone still present and it's not the owner. Watching last nights game I really loved the Brandon Staley dynamic with Herbert though.
DJackson10
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Yeah I think it's more the fact we just don't have the right personal yet to run the full scheme and I think Gannon is trying to be professional in that regard while not making any of the defensive players look bad or throw them under the bus publicly.
Bigboy10182000
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“In-season surprise: Cowboys released LB Jaylon Smith, per source.”
I’ll take him sight unseen
I’ll take him sight unseen
DJackson10
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“In-season surprise: Cowboys released LB Jaylon Smith, per source.”
I’ll take him sight unseen
Dam either the Cowboys are stupid or something happened
If they are stupid lets sign this cat ASAP
babydemon90
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I mean he has to be an upgrade, right?“In-season surprise: Cowboys released LB Jaylon Smith, per source.”
I’ll take him sight unseen
babydemon90
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Also - this is Gannon's first DC job. Like it or not we went with a ton of inexperienced coaches across the roster - meaning he has never had to adjust his own defensive scheme in season when sub-par players get exposed. So - yea, a few games like this are to be expected. (Remember when we fired Sean McDermott because he wasn't perfect right from the start? Yea, that aged well.)
Rookie HC and rookie DC? Yea, no kidding there's growing pains. Going panik mode after a bad game isnt where I'm at. Let's see at the end of the season if we're making progress. Maybe we should have hired vets? But we didn't. So here we are - even with veteran coaches we werent making the Super Bowl, and probably not the playoffs. So let's see how all these young players and coaches grow.
Although I'm lol'ing at the wikipedia for him.. who wrote this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Gannon
DJackson10
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Honestly don't get why they are letting him go. Parsons looked awful in week 1 vs TB and they moved him to DE because of the injury to Lawerence. I know they have Cox who I believe is a much better LB then Parsons and had he gone to D1 his whole college career I think he'd have been a top 20 pick. Granted I don't know the status of the other LBs right now but even in preseason I was a bit curious why Dal would release Smith. I know they overpaid the guy but it's not like they are gaining anything $$ wise here
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Jaylon Smith is a ok player. He does try very hard. He is positive to a fault. He hits hard. If he gets his hands on you - youre getting tackled for sure. Im not sure Ive ever seen him miss a tackle when he makes contact.
With all that said, he is constantly in the wrong position. He does not have any ability to change directions. He lacks the speed to cover.. well anyone. The long runs you have seen the Cowboys give up can be attributed solely to Jaylon not having gap integrity.
He's never been in trouble. He has worked incredibly hard to come back from a MAJOR injury. In all honesty, he should have been dragging his leg behind him the rest of his life and instead he worked hard enough to get back to a (almost) NFL caliber player.
I wish him the best but I would be ecstatic if any of the NFC east teams signed him.
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This same thing happened all last year and he was given a pass because of Covid, and that the scheme was too hard for him to learn that quick, he needed more practice, etc. Now this year the whole Dallas D has bought in and improved 100% but Smith just wasn’t getting it. Hey I was a fan, even gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he just doesn’t get it. He’s always chasing the play for 5-10 yards instead of filling the gap and making plays. He’s the exact opposite of Sean Lee. Rumor is that it wasn’t even Jones or McCarthy who cut him... it was Quinn the DC! That should speak volumes on how bad he was.
This same thing happened all last year and he was given a pass because of Covid, and that the scheme was too hard for him to learn that quick, he needed more practice, etc. Now this year the whole Dallas D has bought in and improved 100% but Smith just wasn’t getting it. Hey I was a fan, even gave him the benefit of the doubt, but he just doesn’t get it. He’s always chasing the play for 5-10 yards instead of filling the gap and making plays. He’s the exact opposite of Sean Lee. Rumor is that it wasn’t even Jones or McCarthy who cut him... it was Quinn the DC! That should speak volumes on how bad he was.
Just posting the same thing basically. Great person, less than average football player.
And yes, please Giants or Eagles sign him.
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Bigboy10182000
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“In an incredibly surprising move, the Patriots have released Stephon Gilmore.”
Also sight unseen
Also sight unseen
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Insein
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Wilson and Singleton in coverage when targeted (overall, not just against KC): 35 attempts, 30 completions, 272 yards, 4 TDs. You really don't have a 6th DB you would trust over making either of those guys cover a WR or TE in 3rd and long or passing situations? 4th rounder Zech McPherson? Mac McCain who you poached from Denver to put on the 53? Andre Chachere who you used a waiver claim on?
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ProstheticRGK
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You make a good point, but, man that is really a Sophie’s Choice situation. Just highlights how poor the drafting has been for the last several years.
Bigboy10182000
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I feel safe assuming the answer is an obvious “no”. Also it depends on the offenses personnel as well as where you are in the field.
Take the Tyreek Hill TD where he was “lined up on a LBer”. This is obviously a zone defense and you can get away with using a LBer (in some cases) since the windows are small. Also keeping a LBer on the field helps if they check to a run, which is what they surly would have done if we used our 6th DB. It’s a lose-lose. Ideally you have an athletic, rangy LBer who you feel comfortable enough with to zone it up there or an in the box Malcom Jenkins type. We have neither.
Making lemonade out of lemons is one thing. The media is expecting lemonade out of motor oil 4 games into a season where our key addition was Stephen Nelson like 5 weeks ago. This guy needs more time and talent.
Bigboy10182000
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And Wilson is graded as the dead last LBer in the league primarily because he’s last in run stopping. So dead last in run stopping in addition to those pass #’s. That’s what we are working with as a starter lol
Cowboysfan8
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I know you have a hard on when it comes to bashing Parsons, so I’ll let that go
But you have no idea what you’re talking about with this part either
Yeah, they gain 9.6 million next year by cutting him now. He was only playing 56% of the plays, and doing it badly. Time to go.
As far as DJax10 constantly bashing Parsons, it’s part of his schtick, and it’s so off that it’s actually pretty entertaining to read. (Mini Stephen A Smith)
. Same with his constant Hurts bashing, who looks improved and gaining attention from DC’s as a threat. I know Lane Johnson is not probably as knowledgeable about Eagles and football as DJax cousins, co worker once removed, but Lane must respect Parsons skills quite a bit
Lane asked to swap jerseys after the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nittanylionswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/28/micah-parsons-had-a-fantastic-monday-night-football-debut-vs-the-eagles/amp/
Insein
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Djax hates Penn State with a passion. Almost as much as he hates the Sixers.Yeah, they gain 9.6 million next year by cutting him now. He was only playing 56% of the plays, and doing it badly. Time to go.
As far as DJax10 constantly bashing Parsons, it’s part of his schtick, and it’s so off that it’s actually pretty entertaining to read. (Mini Stephen A Smith)
I know Lane Johnson is not probably as knowledgeable about Eagles and football as DJax cousins, co worker once removed, but Lane must respect Parsons skills quite a bit
Lane asked to swap jerseys after the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nittanylionswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/28/micah-parsons-had-a-fantastic-monday-night-football-debut-vs-the-eagles/amp/
Cowboysfan8
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Next year was guaranteed against injury alsoYeah, they gain 9.6 million next year by cutting him now. He was only playing 56% of the plays, and doing it badly. Time to go.
As far as DJax10 constantly bashing Parsons, it’s part of his schtick, and it’s so off that it’s actually pretty entertaining to read. (Mini Stephen A Smith)
I know Lane Johnson is not probably as knowledgeable about Eagles and football as DJax cousins, co worker once removed, but Lane must respect Parsons skills quite a bit
Lane asked to swap jerseys after the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nittanylionswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/28/micah-parsons-had-a-fantastic-monday-night-football-debut-vs-the-eagles/amp/
Bigboy10182000
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Lane Johnson’s status is still unknown for this week as well. The fact that we haven’t heard anything via kind of concerning. I hope it’s nothing bad.
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Saw a report that he returned from “handling his personal situation in Oklahoma” so whatever it was, it either had something to do with family or something about him that occurred while there previously (maybe he had to turn himself in?) The latter is the kind of thing that would still make him questionable for this week if, say, a suspension or benching is expected
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Insein
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It would be hard to hide if he did something. Police reports, nosey people wanting to leak a story, something would come out. This is probably his family. Harder to get that info.Saw a report that he returned from “handling his personal situation in Oklahoma” so whatever it was, it either had something to do with family or something about him that occurred while there previously (maybe he had to turn himself in?) The latter is the kind of thing that would still make him questionable for this week if, say, a suspension or benching is expected
DJackson10
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I don't even know why people reply to others that have blocked them? Are they craving that much attention?
DJackson10
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Yeah, they gain 9.6 million next year by cutting him now. He was only playing 56% of the plays, and doing it badly. Time to go.
As far as DJax10 constantly bashing Parsons, it’s part of his schtick, and it’s so off that it’s actually pretty entertaining to read. (Mini Stephen A Smith)
I know Lane Johnson is not probably as knowledgeable about Eagles and football as DJax cousins, co worker once removed, but Lane must respect Parsons skills quite a bit
Lane asked to swap jerseys after the game.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nittanylionswire.usatoday.com/2021/09/28/micah-parsons-had-a-fantastic-monday-night-football-debut-vs-the-eagles/amp/
Sorry I don't respect clowns who get in fights and try to choke teammates and then the University who already has a black eye on cover ups covers it up. Sounds like a perfect fit for Dal though. How this school didn't get the death penalty of college football is beyond me.
Former Parsons teammate files report that PSU covered up Parsons choking him plus hazing including sexual harassment by multiple players. Defendant Pulled a knife on Parsons in fear of his life
Also lane isn't a smart guy. Claiming he didn't realize what he was taking was a banned substance? Really dude?
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DJackson10
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Could honestly see a case where if we are dead by the deadline Miles gets trade or traded in the offseason. Signed through only next year and Eagles haven't been known to sign RBs to a hefty contract extension. Gainwell looks like he's more liked by this staff for some reason
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DJackson10
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How's this?
Nick Sirianni had a “long-hard meeting” with the #Eagles team in which he did “more yelling and screaming than ever before.” per @JeffSkversky
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jon007
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I'm starting to warmup a bit to this dumpster fire we are in. At the end of the day this is Howie's team. He's the one who created this ####show. What's interesting is besides the large dead money guys Devonta Smith is only player guaranteed to be here next year. IMO everyone from Howie all the way to the towel boy is on the hot seat.
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jon007
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What I was trying to say is that everyone is expendable except Smith and high dead money cap players. This has noting to do with performance.Why wouldn't Gainwell, Milton Williams, Quez or Mailata be here?
jon007
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Roseman's first pick back in charge after the Chip Kelly era was Carson Wentz. Signing Wentz to a massive second contract has proven far more costly (the Eagles have a $33.8 million dead-money hit in 2021, per Over The Cap) than moving up to select him second overall, as Wentz contributed significantly to a Super Bowl title and two other playoff teams. The picks Philadelphia traded away for Wentz, however, left the team with a smaller margin for error that Roseman didn't sufficiently compensate for with quality selections. The next-best picks since 2016 include Dallas Goedert, Miles Sanders, Avonte Maddox and Derek Barnett. Roseman deserves credit for an Eagles roster that was loaded from 2017 to '19, but it wasn't because of recent drafts.
Source: https://www.nfl.com/news/general-manager-power-rankings-nfl-draft-edition
Source: https://www.nfl.com/news/general-manager-power-rankings-nfl-draft-edition
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