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Who will win the messaging war on COVID relief? (1 Viewer)

timschochet

timschochet

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It looks very much now like there won’t be any bipartisan deal on the COVID relief package . In fact the most likely outcome is that Biden’s plan will pass without a single Republican vote in House or Senate, exactly the way Obamacare did, exactly the way the Trump tax cuts did (that time without a single Democrat vote), continuing the pattern of a completely divided Congress (and nation.) 

The main question is who will win the messaging war. Here is what we will hear: 

From the Democrats: We tried as hard as we could to reach a deal with the Republicans. They wouldn’t bend. They really didn’t want to work with us. So we did what we had to do do for the American people. 

From the Republicans: Biden promised to work with us. He didn’t mean it. The Democrats have no interest in unity: first the impeachment, now this. There’s so many things in this deal that has nothing to do with COVID. 
 

Thoughts? 

 
All I know is 10 minutes from me fully opened up yesterday and it’s the Super Bowl.  Meanwhile my governor speaks about an abundance of caution.  

 
Rich Conway said:
Conservatives will believe the Republican message.
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While cashing their $1,400 checks.

Edit to add:  There were a bunch of Trump supporters crowing on social media about how Democrats should return the $2000 stimulus checks that Trump was trying to push through last go around.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Republicans support that check.  They don't support all the BS added into the bill.  But messaging......
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Didn’t the Democratic House send a clean Bill to the Senate for the $2000 stimulus?  It was the Republican controlled Senate (McConnell specifically) that killed it. That move probably ended up losing Senate control for the GOP in the closing days of the Georgia Senatorial runoff election. 

 
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Is the minimum wage increase to $15 now out of the proposed stimulus bill?  That was easily the best messaging opportunity for Republicans on why they oppose. 

 
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Also the Democrats have signaled or already agreed on not giving money to those making a over certain amount.

 
timschochet said:
It looks very much now like there won’t be any bipartisan deal on the COVID relief package . In fact the most likely outcome is that Biden’s plan will pass without a single Republican vote in House or Senate, exactly the way Obamacare did, exactly the way the Trump tax cuts did (that time without a single Democrat vote), continuing the pattern of a completely divided Congress (and nation.) 

The main question is who will win the messaging war. Here is what we will hear: 

From the Democrats: We tried as hard as we could to reach a deal with the Republicans. They wouldn’t bend. They really didn’t want to work with us. So we did what we had to do do for the American people. 

From the Republicans: Biden promised to work with us. He didn’t mean it. The Democrats have no interest in unity: first the impeachment, now this. There’s so many things in this deal that has nothing to do with COVID. 
 

Thoughts? 
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The Democrats will win this messaging war.  That's a no-brainer.  Republicans have spent the past 4 years without a regard for fiscal conservativism....for them to now put up that roadblock, that will directly affect middle Americans will hurt them.  This is one that the R's should go along with as they'd at least get a little cover in regards to their fiscal inconsistency.  

 
Mile High said:
I think it is. Democrats will address it later.
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If that’s out, I think the Democrats have a huge messaging advantage on the stimulus bill. One prominent argument I heard on FoxNews this morning was that flooding the economy with that much cash will cause a rise in inflation. That may very well be a valid argument against the stimulus (I don’t pretend to know enough about economic policy to say one way or another), but that’s a difficult line to build an argument around when people are hurting. “We can’t give you these checks you really need because you’ll use them to stimulate the economy and that will potentially cause a rise in prices at some indeterminate point down the road.”  Again, may be a valid argument, but likely not very effective on the messaging front. 

 
The General said:
Hard to argue with the side that gives people free money. I think that always wins.
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I agree that's the way things are.  At least short term the D's will win the messaging.  The bigger risk to the D's on messaging is if the asset bubble bursts while they control the government.  I'm not sure if all this stimulus can keep us inflated, for lack of a better term, from the damage to our economy from Covid. 

 
Shula-holic said:
I agree that's the way things are.  At least short term the D's will win the messaging.  The bigger risk to the D's on messaging is if the asset bubble bursts while they control the government.  I'm not sure if all this stimulus can keep us inflated, for lack of a better term, from the damage to our economy from Covid. 
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We will see.

Huge chunk of population with nothing and narrow or non-existent path to building wealth while they see people flourishing is problematic.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Yeah. Then the D’s will raise taxes, lower the income max for the free money and eliminate college debt pissing off those that made responsible choices and it will swing back.  
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It always does.   Would not be suprised if we lose control of the house or senate next cycle and it goes back to the GOP. That is why making DC a state is on the agenda.

 
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Ramblin Wreck said:
Yeah. Then the D’s will raise taxes, lower the income max for the free money and eliminate college debt pissing off those that made responsible choices and it will swing back.  
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I could be wrong but I don’t think it’s the Democrats that are fighting to narrow eligibility for the stimulus checks. 

 
Quint said:
based off 2019 returns? 
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I would think so. This is why means testing complicates things. If it’s meant to be a stimulus, this should be less important (though, I guess those with higher levels of income would be more likely to save rather than spend the stimulus checks).

 
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bigbottom said:
While cashing their $1,400 checks.

Edit to add:  There were a bunch of Trump supporters crowing on social media about how Democrats should return the $2000 stimulus checks that Trump was trying to push through last go around.
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Trying to get your money back from a pimp is a REALLY bad idea.

 
Summer Wheat said:
It always does.   Would not be suprised if we lose control of the house or senate next cycle and it goes back to the GOP. That is why making DC a state is on the agenda.
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I think the House always gets crushed 2 years in for whatever party holds the WH. At least the last few cycles like that.

 
bigbottom said:
While cashing their $1,400 checks.

Edit to add:  There were a bunch of Trump supporters crowing on social media about how Democrats should return the $2000 stimulus checks that Trump was trying to push through last go around.
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They were? That makes zero sense :lol:

 
The General said:
I think the House always gets crushed 2 years in for whatever party holds the WH. At least the last few cycles like that.
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I think it’s going to stop this time. There are several reasons why. I think the Democrats are actually going to increase their hold in both Senate and House. 

 
bigbottom said:
Didn’t the Democratic House send a clean Bill to the Senate for the $2000 stimulus?  It was the Republican controlled Senate (McConnell specifically) that killed it. That move probably ended up losing Senate control for the GOP in the closing days of the Georgia Senatorial runoff election. 
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Which is the only reason the Dems sent it, they knew the Rs wouldn’t let it happen and could use that against them 

It was obvious 

 
Mitch McConnell holding up the 2K checks is like the first principled thing he has done. He was and is also critical of the bat#### Trump conspiracy wing.

I agree with this dude on very little but in the case of the 2K checks in particular he seemed to take an position that was based in conservative principle rather than simply trying to hose the Dems.

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
Which is the only reason the Dems sent it, they knew the Rs wouldn’t let it happen and could use that against them 

It was obvious 
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Dems would have hoped that passed though. 

Trump and like 7 other Republican Senators were on board.

 
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The General said:
Still so early. What is your thinking?
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First off, the Trump effect. It sounds like a lot of the moderates, and anyone who stood up to Trump or Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be primaried. There’s going to be some candidates out there that are truly unpalatable to the average voter. 
Second I think a lot of people are going to like what they’ve seen from Biden and want it to continue. The main Republican argument we’re hearing these days: that this is a hard left agenda that will lead us to radical socialism, isn’t really very compelling. The GOP need to return to the old Reaganite arguments of here is the free market alternative, this is why it is better. But they’re a long way from that. 

 
timschochet said:
First off, the Trump effect. It sounds like a lot of the moderates, and anyone who stood up to Trump or Marjorie Taylor Greene is going to be primaried. There’s going to be some candidates out there that are truly unpalatable to the average voter. 
Second I think a lot of people are going to like what they’ve seen from Biden and want it to continue. The main Republican argument we’re hearing these days: that this is a hard left agenda that will lead us to radical socialism, isn’t really very compelling. The GOP need to return to the old Reaganite arguments of here is the free market alternative, this is why it is better. But they’re a long way from that. 
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I could see a lot of this going this way.

Certainly hope the MGT’s and Trump’s of the Rep party are laughed off the stage.

Their votes to censure Cheney versus remove MGT from her committee seats gives me a lot of pause there.

Ultimately sounds great to me for it to play out this way as it meant the country will have recovered from covid, we have gotten vaccines out without a new variant or something unforeseen wrecking the plan.  

 
Even asking this question just shows how awful politicians are.  We are still in the middle of a global pandemic, and who will win the war in messaging is apparently a question that needs answering.  

 
The General said:
Dems would have hoped that passed though. 
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Then why not just pass that now? They have the votes. They claim “OMG PEOPLE ARE HURTING!!! WE NEED TO HELP EVERYONE NOW!!!! THEY NEED 2000!!!

Why is this stimulus so fat? If they really hoped that passed then , why not pass the 2k now and make everything else a separate Bill?

 
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