I can work with both Democrats and Republicans, I don't see red and blue states, only United States.How many votes you need? Biden can't reach across the aisle and negotiate something for gun control? You know to save lives
I can work with both Democrats and Republicans, I don't see red and blue states, only United States.How many votes you need? Biden can't reach across the aisle and negotiate something for gun control? You know to save lives
Not a former employee or anything?Brandon Scott Hole, 19 years old. Just appeared to start shooting people for no reason. Killed 4 outside before going inside and killing 4 more.
A couple are ready to goHas a gun control bill been passed by house and been filibustered this term? Is one planned?
Ultimately 60 right?How many votes you need? Biden can't reach across the aisle and negotiate something for gun control? You know to save lives
I know one was a kid shot up his family over a dispute over a stimulus check. Can’t recall what the other two were but I think they were similar in nature....not of the type that occurred last night. Not that any type of mass shooting is less tragic than another .8 people dead just trying to go to work and support their families. Heartbreaking.
But the most eye opening part of the article I read on yahoo this morning... “It was at least the third mass shooting this year in Indianapolis alone.”. 3rd? In only 4 months? WTF man!!
Last employed there in 2020.Not a former employee or anything?
Last employed there in 2020.
still could be part of the motive, even if not currently employed. we've seen students go back to a former school years later.No motive yet.
WTF??Not a "mass" shooting, but another school shooting. Not great.
Knoxville, TN
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/04/12/knoxville-tennessee-high-school-shooting-one-dead-one-injured/7196240002/
I thought it was. Agree with him.Thanks for your concern. But no...it really isnt.
What was the diagnosis and was he getting treated? Are we 5 for 5 with different mental illnesses too?Of course. History of mental problems. Guy had an issue where they took a shotgun away from him last year and they were told he was fantasizing about suicide by cop and threatening suicide.
That's 5/5 now with these guys and their mental problems. Why do we let the wackos have guns?
You're right. Take them away from everyone. Problem --> SolutionOf course. History of mental problems. Guy had an issue where they took a shotgun away from him last year and they were told he was fantasizing about suicide by cop and threatening suicide.
That's 5/5 now with these guys and their mental problems. Why do we let the wackos have guns?
Or at least the men.You're right. Take them away from everyone. Problem --> Solution
Everyone who has been treated for mental illness or currently on mood altering drugs. That's a reasonable compromise that solves the problem.You're right. Take them away from everyone. Problem --> Solution
Can you define what would qualify under this?Everyone who has been treated for mental illness
Clinical depression, anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder, dementia, attention deficit/hyperactivity disorder, schizophrenia, obsessive compulsive disorder, autism and post traumatic stress.Can you define what would qualify under this?
Drinkers? Reefer addicts?Everyone who has been treated for mental illness or currently on mood altering drugs. That's a reasonable compromise that solves the problem.
You dont have to play dumb all the time.Drinkers? Reefer addicts?
What do you mean by "these mass shootings?"You know what's really common about these mass shootings? Rifles that hold a lot of bullets.
We're 5 out of the last 5. That's not coincidence. You've admitted several times just today that you need to read up on stuff. You should probably take a break and go do that.4. As far as I've read, mental illness diagnosis/meds aren't a common factor for these shooters, despite people like tony repeating that.
How do you determine this?Of course. History of mental problems. Guy had an issue where they took a shotgun away from him last year and they were told he was fantasizing about suicide by cop and threatening suicide.
That's 5/5 now with these guys and their mental problems. Why do we let the wackos have guns?
This is one that I have read up on, thanks to SC and the other thread. I even posted a link to articles of the 4 common traits of shooters, and another link about how lack of mental wellness <> mental illness.We're 5 out of the last 5. That's not coincidence. You've admitted several times just today that you need to read up on stuff. You should probably take a break and go do that.
As for your other concerns, we can hammer it out in the legislation. Some people are going to loose out, oh well. At least it's common sence compromise that would have prevented all 5 of these last shootings. Its almost like you guys really dont want gun reform.
Right. And if you include things like "drive by shooting" then you'd be correct mental illness isnt the major factor. I'm talking about the ones sensationalized by the media. The dozens of black on black murders every weekend in Chicago largely go ignored as they are primarily handguns. I suppose mental illness bans wouldnt be anymore effective than AR bans if we're lumping them in together.Did I just see that correctly - we are at 150 mass shootings on the year already? Link
You got me thinking, and my understanding is they were not talking about gang/inner city shootings in the article.Right. And if you include things like "drive by shooting" then you'd be correct mental illness isnt the major factor. I'm talking about the ones sensationalized by the media. The dozens of black on black murders every weekend in Chicago largely go ignored as they are primarily handguns. I suppose mental illness bans wouldnt be anymore effective than AR bans if we're lumping them in together.
Ok, we can start limiting their availability too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Glad we're on the same page.What do you mean by "these mass shootings?"
Most mass shootings are done with handguns.
Allow everyone to carry. See how fast it stops.I keep waiting for all of the "good guys with guns" to come forward and put an end to mass shootings.
Seems like the "bad guys with guns" are winning.
You wont find me too far off your page when it comes to gun control. I dont get bent out of shape or passionate about most of it because I think almost all measures proposed by congress will make miniscule dents, but i still usually support them or am neutral on them.Ok, we can start limiting their availability too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Glad we're on the same page.
Ok, we can start limiting their availability too. Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Glad we're on the same page.
Here’s the question: given that the vast majority of Republican congresspeople and senators strongly oppose the above two items, preventing any and all federal action, are you willing to vote for Democrats in the next election?Want to ban AR15s? Ok.
Want to extend background checks and waiting periods? Cool
These issues arent important enough to me to really affect my vote. I think these measures save a handful of lives. I think the number of AR15s in circulation is so high that a ban on them accomplishes almost nothing. By the time enough of them "broke down" a new gun would be manufactured that takes its place that falls outside of whatever legislation was passed.Here’s the question: given that the vast majority of Republican congresspeople and senators strongly oppose the above two items, preventing any and all federal action, are you willing to vote for Democrats in the next election?
I do now. I lived in Spain for a year and half about 15 years ago. My wife grew up in Venezuela. I'd love to live abroad again, but the employment situation is tough for foreigners everywhere. My wife was offered a position in Switzerland last year, but it wasn't a great fit for her so she turned it down.Im not trying to be a smart ### here, its an honest question because I thought I read this years ago, do you live in the US?
Jesus, that was 15 years ago? I remember that like it was yesterday.I do now. I lived in Spain for a year and half about 15 years ago. My wife grew up in Venezuela. I'd love to live abroad again, but the employment situation is tough for foreigners everywhere. My wife was offered a position in Switzerland last year, but it wasn't a great fit for her so she turned it down.
I understand and can’t disagree with s lot of this. Of course we know that many of those who oppose all of these proposals have this issue as their #1 priority. And that’s how they prevent it, despite being a minority opinion.These issues arent important enough to me to really affect my vote. I think these measures save a handful of lives. I think the number of AR15s in circulation is so high that a ban on them accomplishes almost nothing. By the time enough of them "broke down" a new gun would be manufactured that takes its place that falls outside of whatever legislation was passed.
I would never advocate against doing it and would prefer it to be done. And if two candidates were basically equal except for this, then I guess it would sway me then.
Now if a politician was stepping to the plate with a bill for much stricter legal ownership requirements and then much stricter enforcement for being in violation of those requirements that would probably sway me. But I dont think even democrats have the stomach for that right now and the blowback it would cause.
Austin shooter was a former cop fired and facing charges of assaulting a child.3 dead in Austin shooting at arboretum, 3 dead in Kenosha at a college bar
Kenosha shooter was previously caught for illegal possession of a firearm, twice.
Indy shooter "wanted cops to kill him", had his shotgun taken via red flag law, then still went out and "legally" bought more guns.Austin shooter was a former cop fired and facing charges of assaulting a child.
Or you know...enforce current laws and improve them as well.It's almost like we should start enforcing the laws we have and adding a "history of violence + mental illness" qualifier to background checks.
But no.... "ghost guns" were used in one crime last year* so let's clutch our pearls because it's easier than admitting crazy people with guns is the problem.
*made up but likely fairly accurate statistic
They might not say it directly. But it is happening all the time.I dont think anyone calling for increased regulation is saying don’t enforce what we have.
Not sure what this has to do with what I said. Is anyone who is calling for more regulations advocating to not adhering to current regulations?They might not say it directly. But it is happening all the time.
"Felon in possession of a firearm" has a maximum sentence of ten years in WI. How often do you think they get 10 years?
Are you talking in general or on this board?Not sure what this has to do with what I said. Is anyone who is calling for more regulations advocating to not adhering to current regulations?