Do not do this. Everyone be a lot more cool to each other here.second worst poster defending the worst poster. no facts, no actual discussion. garbage.
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Do not do this. Everyone be a lot more cool to each other here.second worst poster defending the worst poster. no facts, no actual discussion. garbage.
Nope. I respect the rights of businesses as well as individuals who don't want firearms in their home. It's my responsibility as a lawful CC owner to be aware of all of that. Even when I travel I make sure to look at the state firearm laws of each state I'm going thru.CVS, Costco, and Target and many other large retailers don't allow firearms in their stores per their policies. Neither do almost all movie theaters.
My supposition (no, I don't have proof) is that there are many people that carry concealed weapons everywhere they go. They simply ignore these policies and go about their business in the store.
All of you that carry concealed, have you entered any of these establishments with a weapon on your person?
That why I said I believe there's a ton of this going on right now. I bet very few read the policies of every retailer they enter.
Good for you. I think it likely not all CC are as diligent.Nope. I respect the rights of businesses as well as individuals who don't want firearms in their home. It's my responsibility as a lawful CC owner to be aware of all of that. Even when I travel I make sure to look at the state firearm laws of each state I'm going thru.
Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless carry bill into law.matuski said:My wife is enrolled in a concealed carry class required by TX state law. Might want to check your facts.
Thanks - I'm not a fan of this per se.Texans can carry handguns without a license or training starting Sept. 1, after Gov. Greg Abbott on Wednesday signed the permitless carry bill into law.
House Bill 1927 eliminates the requirement for Texas residents to obtain a license to carry handguns if they’re not prohibited by state or federal law from possessing a gun. The signing was reported by the Texas Legislature's official website, which tracks the progress of legislation. Abbott's office has announced a ceremonial signing of the bill and other gun-related legislation at 11 a.m. Thursday.
I learned in this thread that some states conceal carry training/certification isn't much more than a formality.You know there is a training and education piece that goes into CCH over open carry?
I'd prefer someone who conceals every day of the week. Open carry doesn't seem wise to me.
mildly funny, but not a fan of going this route.
orchestrated by the father of a mass shooting victim who will never graduate. fine with him exposing them to the consequences of their actions, especially Lott's lies.mildly funny, but not a fan of going this route.
I get the father is finding an avenue to express his frustrations and anger towards those he finds worthy of public scorn. I get the "guilty pleasure" that others might get from this. But in the grand scheme of things I'd think this is likely counter productive to the goals of more or better gun regulations.orchestrated by the father of a mass shooting victim who will never graduate. fine with him exposing them to the consequences of their actions, especially Lott's lies.
anything that exposes the NRA and its favorite fraudulent "researcher" as shills for the gun industry is probably a net positive.I get the father is finding an avenue to express his frustrations and anger towards those he finds worthy of public scorn. I get the "guilty pleasure" that others might get from this. But in the grand scheme of things I'd think this is likely counter productive to the goals of more or better gun regulations.
anything that exposes the NRA and its favorite fraudulent "researcher" as shills for the gun industry is probably a net positive.
shockingly, legal law abiding citizens do not carry concealed where its not allowedSC's head just exploded. Double whammy of can't getting into businesses because he is strapped and not vaccinated?
link pleasethere are at least 15 states with no training requirement whatsoever for concealed carry. Texas just became one. In every one, gun crime and homicide increased.
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/concealed-carry/violent-crime.htmllink please
With seemingly conflicting evidence, we conclude that the best available studies provide inconclusive evidence for the effect of shall-issue laws on firearm homicides.
However, because analyses on all violent crimes may have greater statistical power to detect any such effects, and because our scoring criteria indicate it, we conclude that there is limited evidence that shall-issue laws may increase violent crime.
Damn, that is really really sad.Hero stops a mass shooting and then is mistakenly identified as the shooter and killed by police. I can understand how this could happen in a chaotic situation, but man, this is sad.
https://apple.news/AzWcK-mO4Q5eS2EwHcS_43w
that's tragic - incredibly tragicHero stops a mass shooting and then is mistakenly identified as the shooter and killed by police. I can understand how this could happen in a chaotic situation, but man, this is sad.
https://apple.news/AzWcK-mO4Q5eS2EwHcS_43w
that seems contrary to what fish said then ?
I'm not sure anyone really keeps tracks/totals on how many carjackings happen, are foiled, are successful etcSo I'm curious if carry states have lower carjackings.
yeah, I mean, how many times have we heard from him and others that the "good guys stop bad guys with guns" isn't true?Stealthycat said:that's tragic - incredibly tragic
but contrary to what -fish- wants people to believe, good guys with guns saves lives - Johnny Hurley is a hero
Yeah, there were definitely some mistakes here by the "good guy". Like, once the attacker was down he should have dropped his own weapon and not actually scooped up the shooter's weapon and started walking with it.People in here have also said that more people running around with guns could make it harder for police to do their job and make it more dangerous for police. Tragically, that seemed to be the case here.
Isn't this ultimately the problem more often than not (statistically)? Most people are not thinking straight when facing these circumstances. Even many of our high profile police shootings and such fall under this category.I understand heat of the moment stuff, but you gotta' think in these situations as much as possible.
For sake of argument lets agree that he is wrong and such laws have no impact on violent crime. That would also mean that those that promote such laws for protection against such violent crime are either wrong in the sense that it does not offer such protection or are shifting violent crime onto others. Right? Because "no impact" would mean the same crimes are still happening and at best for those carrying just happening to someone else.Stealthycat said:that seems contrary to what fish said then ?Gawain said:
Did this guy just give up that day, or was someone else car jacked instead?Stealthycat said:I know my buddy in south TX had a guy attempt to come into his car at a traffic light .... Joe put his gun to the window, the guy raised his hands and backed away
Stealthycat said:wasn't counted anywhere
https://www.wdtv.com/2021/06/20/sheriff-victim-shoots-man-chest-attacking-her/yeah, I mean, how many times have we heard from him and others that the "good guys stop bad guys with guns" isn't true?
would you have rather the crazy guy kill 30 people in a mass murder than a hero take action ?People in here have also said that more people running around with guns could make it harder for police to do their job and make it more dangerous for police. Tragically, that seemed to be the case here.
Depends on the skills and how calm and collected the "hero" can be in the situation. Does he thwart the "crazy guy" before they combine to kill 30+ people or after? I am assuming that if the killer kills 10, the hero kills 4 bystanders before stopping the killer that some would insist that 30+ would have been killed.would you have rather the crazy guy kill 30 people in a mass murder than a hero take action ?
as this story sitsDepends on the skills and how calm and collected the "hero" can be in the situation. Does he thwart the "crazy guy" before they combine to kill 30+ people or after? I am assuming that if the killer kills 10, the hero kills 4 bystanders before stopping the killer that some would insist that 30+ would have been killed.
This has zilch to do with my answering your question. And beyond thatas this story sits
if we're going to question the actions of a hero ... where are we as a society at that point ? I guess Flight 93 passengers should have just sit in their seats and not fought back? They all died .... and they were heroes
have you ever heard of
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times
We are right now in the last 5 words .... we are a nation of weak, passive people who seem to enjoy being victims and that is enabling criminals
and I'm 100% against that entire concept that seems to be popular in today's world
Depends on the skills and how calm and collected the "hero" can be in the situation. Does he thwart the "crazy guy" before they combine to kill 30+ people or after? I am assuming that if the killer kills 10, the hero kills 4 bystanders before stopping the killer that some would insist that 30+ would have been killed.
its has everything to do with it - I asked "would you have rather the crazy guy kill 30 people in a mass murder than a hero take action ?"This has zilch to do with my answering your question. And beyond that.
Yikes on the bolded.It's actually refreshing to see the amount of people working with their kids and all the newcomers who are finally ready to take protection into their own hands.
The only one assuming was you.its has everything to do with it - I asked "would you have rather the crazy guy kill 30 people in a mass murder than a hero take action ?"
you try to dissect and what if and assume away the scenario
Oh, I could be a hero
I could be a lover of a thousand movie queens
I could be a hero
I could be anything, anything in my dreams.
Interesting take, surprised this hasn't come up before. I would like to see how much the insurance will cost, and what it is covers.
One article I read was only $25-30.Interesting take, surprised this hasn't come up before. I would like to see how much the insurance will cost, and what it is covers.
t seems like a no-brainer to me, but I'm not a gun owner.One article I read was only $25-30.
ETA: LINK
The first would requires every gun owner have liability insurance coverage for their firearms. The insurance could not legally cover intentional harm caused by a gun owner.
The second requires gun owners to pay an annual fee to compensate taxpayers for the public cost of responding to gun-related injuries and death, including police and medical services.
In one of the old gun control threads it was one of the solutions I (and I’m assuming others) brought up. It seems like a total no-brainer and I hope San Jose is able to implement it without it getting struck down by the courts.Interesting take, surprised this hasn't come up before. I would like to see how much the insurance will cost, and what it is covers.
More guns in circulation. Many with newbies that may not have the experience or knowledge on safe gun storage. That leads to more accidents, especially with kids, more successful suicide attempts, more domestic violence murders, and more stolen weapons used in crimes.Why does that scare you?
Leading to more people afraid and running for the false security of guns.More guns in circulation. Many with newbies that may not have the experience or knowledge on safe gun storage. That leads to more accidents, especially with kids, more successful suicide attempts, more domestic violence murders, and more stolen weapons used in crimes.
Maybe we should build a dam to control the flow of the river?. The more guns argument always cracks me up. Especially when you use the word "circulation" acknowledging that they are regularly changing hands. There are 390 million guns in America. More guns than there are people! Do the math!
That cat is out of the bag.
Train has left the station.
Water under the bridge.
how can criminals be forced to buy insurance? won't they just not and break the law?So from what I am reading on a couple sites is that the San Jose proposal will require gun owners to have liability insurance that helps cover the cost of gun violence - ambulance, calls, hospital costs, etc?
but we have more guns than EVER over the last 3 decades, and overall crimes/murders have fallenMore guns in circulation. Many with newbies that may not have the experience or knowledge on safe gun storage. That leads to more accidents, especially with kids, more successful suicide attempts, more domestic violence murders, and more stolen weapons used in crimes.
If you'd bother to look at the link, it said right in there :how can criminals be forced to buy insurance? won't they just not and break the law?
what kind of sense does a law like that even make ??If you'd bother to look at the link, it said right in there :
“We know that crooks aren’t going to get insurance. Of course, they’re not,” Liccardo said. “So, when a police officer responds to a domestic violence call and asks the question that every officer asks which is ‘Are there any guns in the home?’ at that time the officer can determine if that individual has followed the law to get insurance.”