LOL, I had to re-word.You could answer that poll and have it mean the same thing.
It depends.Does the Afghanistan Catastrophe Hurt or Help the Democrats Next Election
fixedYou could answer that poll and have it mean the same thing.
Right...and timing. We are too far out from midterms. If this is not a long drawn out things and Americans get out safely...I don't think the issue is impacting the next election.It depends.
If Americans are all evacuated with no casualties then I think it will have little if any impact. Those of us that are here are more in tune with political issues but average Americans largely wont care by next year.
I voted no impact as of now.
Agree with that. Most American wont remember this next week let alone next year.Many Americans don’t have the attention span for this debacle to impact the 2021 elections so 2022 and 2024 are out of the question.
Pretty much agree with every post in here. As for the poll results, also agree that there is no "it helps" outcome. If it hurts them at all, and by how much, seem like the only viable outcomes.
Agreed. Ironically Trump and Biden share the same intention, Trump pulling out of Afghanistan was something he touted loudly and often and in many ways Biden was carrying out the actual withdrawal Trump himself called for. However, Joe's administration should have coordinated the pullout better. And that's an understatement. With our expertise in logistics, the capabilities we bring with technology, the withdrawal should have been much better coordinated.From that perspective I'm willing to give Biden a little bit of credit (or would have Trump too) - they both would have been doing something that ultimately they really couldn't get a bump from. I would hope that's what all of our Presidents do versus kicking the can down the road. But Biden has screwed up the pull out which probably will mean that any good will he gets for having finally gotten us out of there will go away. But again - that's only for the people paying attention - vast majority of people don't care and/or aren't watching what is happening.
I want to add inflation to the above. It arguably could be the most important issue by next years election.Agree with that. Most American wont remember this next week let alone next year.
Covid and the economy...not now but where we are next year...will likely be the major issues along with whatever the political news is at that time.
I think the bold is why it has to at least hurt a little bit. Disturbing images leave an impression on people, and they will associate those with Biden. I agree with others that that might not necessarily be "fair" as there will be plenty of blame to go around, but I think it will leave a permanent negative impression that will be associated with this administration, even if it's largely subconscious for a lot of people. That said, the average voter has the attention span of a goldfish, so it's hard to say how much weight it will carry on people's minds once the election rolls around.I don't think it will have much of an impact, but we'll have to wait and see. I tend to think that Afghanistan will be forgotten from our collective memory within the next 12 months.
The images of Afghanis at the airport are gut-wrenching, but there is still a part of me that's glad we finally ripped the band-aid off.
####ting in another thread I see?Just here to see the spin on how it helps.
#butTrumporBushoranythingnotourside
Agree with this. I am glad we are out but the pull out was not planned at all.Agreed. Ironically Trump and Biden share the same intention, Trump pulling out of Afghanistan was something he touted loudly and often and in many ways Biden was carrying out the actual withdrawal Trump himself called for. However, Joe's administration should have coordinated the pullout better. And that's an understatement. With our expertise in logistics, the capabilities we bring with technology, the withdrawal should have been much better coordinated.
They can still run on bring the troops home.It hurts in the sense that they could have run on "Bringing the Troops Home" if things had gone differently.
If Delta is under control and the economy is humming people won't care. But if they're not, the Afghan catastrophe will add to the sense that the administration is incompetent.
Don’t let me disturb your echo chamber, just put me on ignore if you can’t handle it.####ting in another thread I see?
Apologies. I should have just ignored your post.Don’t let me disturb your echo chamber, just put me on ignore if you can’t handle it.
Man, when it comes to pummeling the crap out of a strawman, no one does it like GB. I bow before your incredible skillsJust here to see the spin on how it helps.
#butTrumporBushoranythingnotourside
Not sure you even know what a straw man is, never miss a chance to though that’s for sure.Man, when it comes to pummeling the crap out of a strawman, no one does it like GB. I bow before your incredible skills
Sure. And I give him all the credit in the world for actually getting out. But I don't think that message plays well with the images we're seeing out of Kabul. At minimum it would be a gamble to try to tout this as an accomplishment IMO.They can still run on bring the troops home.
I would think just as it sits right now, next elections Republican's will say covid is a disaster with more dying under Biden than Trump, inflation is taking off bigly, gas prices high, 4-5 trillion in added debt, collapse of Afghanistan .... its probably the worst first 6 months of any President ever
Despite our disagreements on various issues (especially regarding the MSM) I regard you as one of the most thoughtful people in this forum. But this reaction doesn’t sound at all like your usual nuanced approach. Biden bungled some of this, his advisors bungled some of this, but it’s not as catastrophic as you’re claiming and the “mentally incapacitated” part is sheer conservative propaganda with no bearing on reality. I’ll be curious to see if you still feel this strongly a few months from now, and disappointed if you do.I'm a right-winger who voted for Biden because I wanted to see basic democratic norms reestablished in Washington and to see our government operate competently. I'm honestly embarrassed about that vote right now. If I wanted a mentally incapacitated empty suit weakening the US and getting people killed through shoddy decision making, I could have just voted for the Republican and at least gotten a tax break or something.
I don't know how many people out there fall into that same category, but this was a permanent deal-breaker for me. I'm not going to vote for any Republicans in 2022 probably, but I definitely won't vote for any Democrats now and I was very inclined to do so a week ago.
Despite our disagreements on various issues (especially regarding the MSM) I regard you as one of the most thoughtful people in this forum. But this reaction doesn’t sound at all like your usual nuanced approach. Biden bungled some of this, his advisors bungled some of this, but it’s not as catastrophic as you’re claiming and the “mentally incapacitated” part is sheer conservative propaganda with no bearing on reality. I’ll be curious to see if you still feel this strongly a few months from now, and disappointed if you do.
I don’t believe the MSM is flawless; I just don’t think it’s as biased as conservatives love to claim.GW Bush had fewer gaffs but the MSM, who you believe is a flawless unbiased source of wisdom, had a field day mocking him. Sarah Palin showed more wits than Biden is showing.
GW Bush had fewer gaffs but the MSM, who you believe is a flawless unbiased source of wisdom, had a field day mocking him. Sarah Palin showed more wits than Biden is showing.