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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Concept Coop
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jwb
Footballguy
Nothing really, save that Team B is rebuilding, and Team A isn't. (I'm team A in the deal - this upgrades Ben to Brees).
I think it's pretty fair - Cameron is a pretty nice piece if you don't have anything at TE. Wilson is a risk of course, but could pay off big.
matttyl
Footballguy
Not to my knowledge. He has a bunch of "maybe" RBs including Spiller, Gore, T Rich, L Miller, J Stew, David Wilson, and even the other Houston RB Andre Brown (so he locks up that backfield). He also has the #1, #3, and #4 rookie picks and likely wouldn't have had the roster room to hold them all (10 team IDP league with 31 man max rosters), and will likely look to move the #22 and #26 he just got.
He'd been putting out feelers for quite some time to get a "weekly starting caliber" RB out of the bunch he had. It's also not a PPR league.
cstu
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
Brees side easySpin said:
r0llin_game
Footballguy
Same league
Team A gives: DeAndre Hopkins/2.03
Team B gives: 1.04
Team a is the same as team b is Brees/Cameron deal
loose circuits
Footballguy
non-PPR doesn't that make RB's worth more? 1.02 would likely be #1 RB if not Watkins...
NightStalkers
Footballguy
I am actually the person who made this deal. Hyper Active leagues use a format of 1QB, 1RB, 1 WR, 1 TE and 4 WR/RB/TE flex positions. Most of the people in these leagues approach this setup with WR's being a highly valued asset. Most of the guys in these leagues are highly respected posters or staff at either FBG, DLF and in one case works for ESPN. The worth of WR's are gold. I tried moving McCoy in multiple offers for the top 8 or so WR and got no where. I believe in Watkins and think in 3 years he will be top 5 or so at WR and maybe overall as Green, Julio etc.. get older.Spin said:
It's a risky deal but it is very expensive to get top WR's in Hyper Active leagues. As far as the age of the RB's getting older that is somewhat true but Watkins will be a viable starter for maybe 12 years and McCoy will likely not be in the NFL at all in maybe 6 or 7 years and his trade value will take a hit in about 2/3 years. I took over a team with no 2014 picks and only 2 in 2015 so this is a good gamble on youth to core my team forward..
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think this is where most will disagree with you. There is a 50/50 chance that Watkins busts completely. Above and beyond that--planning 12 years out is a bit of a stretch for most of us.
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Concept Coop
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GeeYouknit
Footballguy
10 team 2QB 3WR 3RB 2TE 1RB/WR
Team A trades: Forte/4.02
Team B trades: Blackmon/2.01/2015 1st (likely late)
I am team A and my window will open in the next year or two to contend. I have racked up 10 picks in the top 30 this year and 3 2015 1st's which is my last phase of my rebuild.
Team A trades: Forte/4.02
Team B trades: Blackmon/2.01/2015 1st (likely late)
I am team A and my window will open in the next year or two to contend. I have racked up 10 picks in the top 30 this year and 3 2015 1st's which is my last phase of my rebuild.
Lucky Dolfan 81
Footballguy
50/50? I think most would agree this is exaggerating the other end of the spectrum. He's going to go around pick 5 give or take a few spots. Don't think the bust rate is that high for players drafted that highly.
NightStalkers
Footballguy
Coop you may be right but I am not of that opinion. Every pundit I have heard has said he his the best rated WR prospect since AJG and Julio. There is risk in McCoy also has as with any RB he is more apt to get injured. Also he has some of his PPR value going to Sproles this year...
If I am wrong then I will be wrong. But if I am right then I get probably twice the number of Fantasy points over the course of the remaining careers of Watkins vs. McCoy. As far as planning for 12 years no one does but like I said in 5 years McCoy will be 31 year old RB and not worth near as much as Watkins will be at a 26 year old WR.
Like I said I could be wrong. Most people didn't have Gordon with his high ranking he has now in Dynasty...
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1155243-2012-nfl-draft-how-often-do-wide-receviers-bust-in-the-1st-round
14 WRs in top 10
5 Busts
4 Okays (which includes Ted Ginn)
5 Hits
Given Watkins' height, I think it is closer to 50/50 than 50/50 being an exaggeration.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
That's why busts are busts--they were expected to be good. Every pundit you've heard praise Watkins has been wrong a lot.
As you said; it's all opinion at this point and I could be wrong just as easily as you could.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Most would be wrong, then, depending on how you want define a bust. DLF did a pretty good study on it, if you can find it. It's been 2 years, IIRC, and I don't know how their archive system works.
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NightStalkers
Footballguy
And that is why this hobby is fun. None of us really have much of an idea but we all think we do...
Concept Coop
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EBF
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McCoy is about to turn 26 and Sproles may cut into his reception totals. I think he's probably got another 3-4 good years left and I'd prefer that to the 1.01, but you can turn a profit on a trade like that if you've made an accurate judgment. Pretty much depends on how right you are about Watkins.
Chad Parsons
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10tm, PPR, Start 2-2-3-1 with 2 RB-WR-TE flexes.
AJ Green, S.Bailey, Todman
For
1.2, 1.3, 2.6
Note: Owner getting Green also owns the other team's 15 1st,2nd,3rd. Team getting the picks has Foles, Charles, Cobb, little else.
AJ Green, S.Bailey, Todman
For
1.2, 1.3, 2.6
Note: Owner getting Green also owns the other team's 15 1st,2nd,3rd. Team getting the picks has Foles, Charles, Cobb, little else.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Every "ókay"on the list is a bust except for Crabtree and Demaryius. Basically, if the WR was a top 6 pick, they hit but everything after was a crapshoot. Also, list isn't complete, it's dated and they listed Britt, Maclin and Bowe as "hits", which are very iffy calls.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Interesting one, obviously Green but the team getting the picks can get Evans, the top RB and a good player at #16.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
That's a great trade for you. What was the other owner thinking? He must be a Geno and/or Housler hype fan.
cstu
Footballguy
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I think Housler is a throw away player and Geno Smith is a long shot. This draft appears, at the moment, to be one of the deeper drafts in recent memory. I still think you won this trade easily unless somehow Geno Smith becomes a stud. I think it's clear by now, Houlser is trash.
CoachJankySpanky
Footballguy
That's the cheapest I've seen AJG go in quite awhile. I would've at least held out to get the 2015 1st back.
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Yeah...think you did pretty well here
We know this draft is deep...next year...still a year away
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Rhythmdoctor
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bengalbuck
Footballguy
14 team PPR w/ superflex
Gave: Alf Morris
for: Mike Wallace and 2.06
(Not great value, but I'm down on Morris and have now traded him in every league I owned him. 4th Morris trade this offseason.)
Gave: Alf Morris
for: Mike Wallace and 2.06
(Not great value, but I'm down on Morris and have now traded him in every league I owned him. 4th Morris trade this offseason.)
12 team PPR dynasty league.
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, 2FLEX, D/ST, K
All same league. And Team A is same in all 3. Team B same in 2
All picks are rookie / FA picks
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1st trade:
Team A receives: 1.07 / 1.08 / Chris Polk / Rob Housler
Team B receives: CJ Spiller / Pierre Thomas (Ingram owner)
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2nd trade:
Team A receives: Alfred Morris / 2.07 / 3.07
Team C receives: Golden Tate / 1.08
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3rd trade
Team A receives: Chris Ivory /Andre Roberts/ '15 2nd (Team B)
Team B receives: Danny Amendola
QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, 2FLEX, D/ST, K
All same league. And Team A is same in all 3. Team B same in 2
All picks are rookie / FA picks
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1st trade:
Team A receives: 1.07 / 1.08 / Chris Polk / Rob Housler
Team B receives: CJ Spiller / Pierre Thomas (Ingram owner)
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2nd trade:
Team A receives: Alfred Morris / 2.07 / 3.07
Team C receives: Golden Tate / 1.08
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3rd trade
Team A receives: Chris Ivory /Andre Roberts/ '15 2nd (Team B)
Team B receives: Danny Amendola
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Getting a 2nd for Amendola seems really good at this point. Would love that return in a couple leagues I own him in.
Also like getting the 1st for Alf Morris.
1st trade is close. I'd probably lean towards the picks, but that is not bad price at all if you believe in Spiller.
Archer
Footballguy
duaneok66
Footballguy
Donsmith753
Footballguy
16 team .5 PPR 1/2/3/1 and a flex
Gave Boykin & 2015 1st (pretty much guaranteed playoffs)
For
1.08
This was during a dispersal draft and I actually had the option of Blackmon at this spot as well. I know ADP says I should have taken him instead but:
1. I know he's not highly valued in my league
2. I really really really don't need a WR
3. I like the flexibility the pick offers me.
Gave Boykin & 2015 1st (pretty much guaranteed playoffs)
For
1.08
This was during a dispersal draft and I actually had the option of Blackmon at this spot as well. I know ADP says I should have taken him instead but:
1. I know he's not highly valued in my league
2. I really really really don't need a WR
3. I like the flexibility the pick offers me.
FUBAR
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