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BustedKnuckles
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Bob Magaw
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I didn't see anybody get mad in the Draft Day movie thread. A few people said they didn't think they would like it. You said fake football fans that want to look like they know more would dog the movie, as if some people just might not think it will appeal to their taste.
You should take your own advice. You seem really sensitive about the fact that some people may not want to see the movie. If they have a belief, so be it. Why do you care what someone on the internet thinks? Why get up in arms about it? Does your life depend on changing people's minds about the movie.
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MoveToSkypager
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I dunnoBustedKnuckles said:
Touchdown There
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If you don't like a guy you say he is a fumbler and can't pass block.
Faust
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JohnnyU
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Bronco Billy
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From rotoworld:
As a Bronco fan and a Ball owner, I love seeing this. Franklin is a very strong run blocker but has very slow feet. Running left behind Clady and Franklin is going to provide some positive push at the LoS, especially when it comes to short yardage/goal line situations. This also ought to help Manning by putting someone more mobile at RT as well as keeping potential blitzers honest with the power running on the left side.This is one of those news items that might escape the notice of a lot of people but in my mind is a big difference maker.
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Not to be a wet blanket here, but didn't Peyton strongly endorse Ball last year before they handed the job to Moreno?
On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is "negligible importance" and 10 is "of slight interest", I'd give this a 1. Nothing more than standard offseason sound bites.
On a scale of 1 to 10 where 1 is "negligible importance" and 10 is "of slight interest", I'd give this a 1. Nothing more than standard offseason sound bites.
MoveToSkypager
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If you like a guy that's a fumbler you say if you don't like a guy you say he is a fumbler and can't pass block.
JohnnyU
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JohnnyU
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I happen to believe Ball will be successful, but it is true that if fumbling becomes a problem he could get benched. Hell, that's true with most running backs isn't it? I wouldn't hang my hat on Ball getting benched because of fumbling however. His talent is real and in that offense I expect him to have a big year. There are posters here who gain an attitude toward certain players and can't seem to get past those preconceived negative biases toward Ball. I'm not going to sit here and say his success is guaranteed, but I will say it's looking pretty good for him right now. To ignore that is foolish, just as ignoring any fumbling issues or pass blocking issues that could arise in the future is also foolish.
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MoveToSkypager
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No preconception about something that has happened. It's not like Ball never fumbled and people are suggesting he will fumble in the future. He has fumbled already. You might have had another accident though. Maybe you have many accidents?
JohnnyU
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Why are you so rude and angry? You would be a lot happier by being nicer to people. Trust me, it really works.
You have an A1 day.
-Walter White
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bonesman
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Ridiculous right?... basically his same response to the article where the author said he would take Ball in the first
az_prof
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Please show me a RB who has never fumbled? Because by your standard, anyone who has ever fumbled has a fumbling problem.
Quite the opposite, the guy touched the ball 800 times in college and never fumbled. Red Herring anyone?
I really have zero respect for anyone who even suggests that there is a fumbling issue here.
Now, if you want to say that he had an issue with pass blocking early in the season, that's legitimate. It's documented and is probably the main reason he lost the job to Moreno. But we have every reason to believe that he fixed the problem by mid-season, which is why the coaching staff went to him more as the second back behind Moreno and it is hard to believe they would let Moreno walk if they thought this were still a problem.
If you want to say that he isn't a dynamic runner like ADP or Charles or McCoy, that's fine. No argument. He isn't elite, HOF type runner. But neither are many RBs who have been successful in fantasy and the NFL for a number of years. By that standard, there are only two or three RBs worth owning and everyone else is at risk of losing their job to an undrafted FA with no experience.
As far as receiving goes, Ball has had some success but he isn't Ray Rice or McCoy, not by a long shot.
But he does everything well enough and some things are outstanding, including short yardage and goal line running.
And, he has very little competition. It is laughable to me that people think an undrafted FA who had one good preseason game is somehow competition for a second round pick, who played well in extensive action as a rookie and whom the coaching staff has praised and the GM preferred to a proven veteran that the team allowed to walk.
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Faust
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Terrell Davis talks Montee Ball, Knowshon Moreno
By Jamey Eisenberg | Senior Fantasy Writer
April 11, 2014 2:28 pm ET
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By Jamey Eisenberg | Senior Fantasy Writer
April 11, 2014 2:28 pm ET
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Faust
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MoveToSkypager
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improvedGordonGekko said:
JohnnyU
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For the few of you still holding out hope that by some miracle CJ Anderson beats out Ball .......
Broncos OC Adam Gase reiterated that Montee Ball is slotted in as the starting running back.
The Broncos' offseason actions have spoken even louder than their words. They let Knowshon Moreno walk to the Dolphins for pennies, added no backs in free agency and then spent zero of their six draft picks on the position. Gase stated the obvious this week, saying the only job in the backfield truly up for grabs is the backup gig. Supported by the faith of the organization and a Peyton Manning offense, Ball is in for a truly special season. Moreno, a lesser natural talent, was fantasy's No. 5 running back last year.
Rotoworld
Broncos OC Adam Gase reiterated that Montee Ball is slotted in as the starting running back.
The Broncos' offseason actions have spoken even louder than their words. They let Knowshon Moreno walk to the Dolphins for pennies, added no backs in free agency and then spent zero of their six draft picks on the position. Gase stated the obvious this week, saying the only job in the backfield truly up for grabs is the backup gig. Supported by the faith of the organization and a Peyton Manning offense, Ball is in for a truly special season. Moreno, a lesser natural talent, was fantasy's No. 5 running back last year.
Rotoworld
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Gottabesweet
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What rookie pick would you feel comfortable sending for Ball in a PPR? How high would you go this year? 1.5, 1.4?
JohnnyU
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It would take more than the 1.1 to get Ball from me. I think he's in store for 1500+ yards and double digit TDs this year and for the near future. So, the 1.5 or 1.4 aren't even close.
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Greggity
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Gottabesweet
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I'm sitting at 1.2 1.3 and 1.4 the owner with Ball has 1.1 already so I'm trying to make a play.
Gawain
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I love Ball for this year, it's his future that I'm a little less clear on. If I was making a run this year, I'd value him more than the 1.01. If it's a rebuild, I could see dealing him for the 1.02 at worst.
JohnnyU
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He's a talented 23 yr old RB, so I don't understand the uncertainty about his future, especially the next 4 years. It's not like he's had so many carries in college that he's ready to break down as an early 20 something RB.
Noah Davis
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While in college, Ball rushed 655 times before having his first fumble and 802 times before actually losing one. Just as a reference point BJGE streak was 589 carries w/o a fumble...but I guess by your standard you would say he had a fumbling problem too. Yes I know Wisconsin is not the NFL, but for that long of a streak I'd say the safe be is he corrects your proclaimed fumbling problem.
I was not a Ball believer at the beginning of the season but I ended up acquiring him, Torrey Smith, a 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick in a trade for Dez Bryant and Tim Wright.....I'm pretty happy with how things have shaken out. I don't know if I'm a believer in him so much as the Peyton Manning impact on RBs....so my guess is I move him at the end of this season for another king's ransom.
az_prof
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So, you think Sankey or Hyde are equal to Ball? Personally, I wouldn't accept that deal. It isn't that insulting but... Ball was a 1.5 guy himself last year, and now he is the clear starter, who has shown he can play in the NFL, on a team where the last guy was a top 5 RB. Isn't that worth at least 1.2?
Coeur de Lion
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Ball vs a rookie pick would be largely dependent on individual team need and makeup -- but I'd definitely easily prefer him to any rookie RB from this year's class. Regardless of need, I'd have a hard time taking him over Watkins and Evans who are potential elite WRs.
Bronco Billy
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JohnnyU
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I know.
Bronco Billy
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I'm really high on Ball this year but am tempering it with the fact that Hillman was on top of the depth chart at this time last year. However, Hillman just flat out surrendered the job after showing that he is far from a complete back. My hopes - and thoughts - are that Ball won't experience the same.
JFS171
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I don't own Ball... I didn't own him last year. I owned Moreno last year, however, and watched the Broncos coaches, front office, and Peyton Manning pump up Ball and Hillman right and left. Then the season rolls around and Knowshon's rolling like Joseph Addai.
I guess my point is that I'm not taking their word for it right now. Does Ball have a great opportunity? Sure, but he was never big in the passing game at Wisconsin, and he certainly wasn't last year in DEN either. If he can pass block and know all the protection shifts and catch the ball, he'll be gold. If he can't, CJ or someone off the street will come take that job.
It's Peyton - cement shoe'd Peyton at that. Dude can't move and WILL throw a ton. RB has to handle that, and they can't telegraph when they're running and when they're passing by rotating in a specific passing down back. It's really that simple to me...
cstu
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The most ridiculous thing I've seen is Ball being ranked below both Stacy and Richardson in dynasty.
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Adam Harstad
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Hillman being atop the depth chart was a bizarre twist where the Broncos' said one thing all offseason and then did another come training camps. John Elway had said twice last season that he viewed Hillman as a CoP back at best. Ball, on the other hand, is getting the full "3-down feature back" support from the coaching staff.
Bronco Billy
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If your definition of ridiculous is "sane, logical, and rational" then I agree with you. If you prefer the tiresome normal definition, I'd have to disagree and ask you why you think Stacy and Richardson are so much superior in your opinion.BTW - I wouldn't look at the staff dynasty ranking then, if I were you. They seem to fall into the category of the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen.
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cstu
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It's not sane - a 3rd round RB was brought to compete with Stacy and Richardson has proven he's not a good RB.
Edit: realized I had a typo of there and we're in agreement I think.
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Bronco Billy
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I picked up CJ Anderson last year after Waldman and Bloom discussed his possible emergence. I understand them rolling with Ball, but is Anderson talented enough to make this an RBBC at some point next year? It seems like he's an afterthought at this point, and wondering if he's still a hold in dynasty
Adam Harstad
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Even if Anderson had no shot at all at the starting job, he'd be a major hold in dynasty. #2 RBs in offenses like Denver's are automatic holds.
socrates
Footballguy
Anderson still has to win the backup job for him to have value. What are we hearing on that front?
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
What I've heard hear is that unless Anderson completely fouls up or is injured that he'll be Ball's direct backup. I don't see either UDFA as having the chops to displace him and we've seen what Hillman did given a wide open opportunity. And I agree with SSOG that Elway sees Hillman as a CoP, but the job was his last year to lose - and lose it he did in a big way. The staff is very fond of Anderson
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gandalas
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17 receptions as the backup rb used on mainly non passing downs shows me he is capable of at least 40 receptions this year as the main guy. Wisconsin was a HEAVY rushing team while he was there. Of course he didn't catch many balls there.
Buffaloes
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and averaged 5.9 ypc the final 8 games of the season. Anyone who watched Denver games down the stretch could see he was a more dynamic and better runner than Moreno. Moreno was the better passs blocker and receiver, though. That's not to say Ball isn't a decent receiver out of the backfield. iirc, he caught 20 of 27 targets. And his pass blocking was fine down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Combine his 2nd half of the season & playoff numbers with the fact Denver did absolutely nothing outside of adding a few UDFAs at the position--even though they could have had Moreno at a relatively cheap price it adds up to Ball getting a loooooong look at the #1 spot. There is not much behind him. So much so that I suspect Denver could add a Ronnie Brow type as insurance, but Ball is going to be the guy at RB. And as such, he's going to produce in that offence assuming full health. The OL should be top notch with Franklin moving inside and Clady returning. There should be a lot fo soft boxes and Ball is a much more instinctive and more prductive runner than his predecessor who put up solid RB1 numbers last year.
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