n20
Footballguy
Exactly. He's a much better bet than whatever else we would draft in the 5th (just based on recent history at the very least).
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Ted Ginn Jr. traded to SF (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
You gotta love hearing the Miami fans saying junk like the bolded above. Reality check from a 49er fan, you guys gave up pick #9 for him, we got him from you for #145. Ginn will contribute more to the team than any recent 5th round pick in my memory, he improves the 49ers in their special teams, not many of the 49ers 5th round picks contribute at all, it's not like we gave up a 1st for him, can't say the same for Miami.As a Miami fan
He and his whole family for any type of pick is a good deal. As a WR4 or WR5 and a returner he is fine but the pick we spent on him irked the fan base for too long.
FANTASTIC news Dolphin fans !!!! Good riddance Ted Ginn.
Can't believe a team gave up a draft pick for him.
And for those that commented that he single handily beat the Jets last year . . . . The Dolphins ran all over the Jets last year . . . marched down the field at will. Ginn TD's were just icing on the cake.
TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah....someone's clearly mashing the two Jets-Dolphins games from last year together. The jets bottled up the Miami running game the 2nd time around. Ginn was pretty much the only reason they won in week 8. (with an honorable mention going to Jason Taylor for returning Shonne Greene's horrible fumble)Really? Without looking, tell me how many yards you think Miami ran for that day and how many yards you consider "At Will"As a Miami fan
Mark Davis
Footballguy
It's one of two things, either the 49ers didn't think Spiller was going to make it to their selection (been hearing the possibility of Jacksonville at 10) or the 49ers used this as a cheap way to address the return game while saving the 2 1st rounders to address OT and CB (assuming Joe Haden is there). Either way, I like it as a 49ers fan. If it backfires what have we really lost with a 5th rounder?
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Footballguy
HATED the pick when they took him at #9 overall and he did nothing (except for beating Revis deep last year) to change my mind.Enjoy that 5.6 yard avg on PR that was scaring people . . . with a long of 11 yards.You gotta love hearing the Miami fans saying junk like the bolded above. Reality check from a 49er fan, you guys gave up pick #9 for him, we got him from you for #145. Ginn will contribute more to the team than any recent 5th round pick in my memory, he improves the 49ers in their special teams, not many of the 49ers 5th round picks contribute at all, it's not like we gave up a 1st for him, can't say the same for Miami.As a Miami fan
He and his whole family for any type of pick is a good deal. As a WR4 or WR5 and a returner he is fine but the pick we spent on him irked the fan base for too long.
FANTASTIC news Dolphin fans !!!! Good riddance Ted Ginn.
Can't believe a team gave up a draft pick for him.
And for those that commented that he single handily beat the Jets last year . . . . The Dolphins ran all over the Jets last year . . . marched down the field at will. Ginn TD's were just icing on the cake.
Enjoy watching him return kicks as he avoids contact and runs out of bounds most of the time.
Enjoy that 5'11 - 180lb monster that can't catch the ball
They would have cut him.
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Footballguy
This was the problem with Dolphin fans. They were so upset they didn't get "Randy Moss" with their pick, yet if he were a 4th round pick they would have said he has potential. Again the only reason Ginn had all this venom at him is because people expected 1st round production. If he were a 4th round pick people would see some potential and improvement. Even in a bad year he dominated the hated Jets and was the only receiver in the league to burn Revis deep all year! He also took 2 to the house...again in a bad year. Bad value trade for Miami IMO.As a Miami fan
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Footballguy
My bad - just checked.Game 1 the Dolphins ran for over 150 yards - that was the game where they moved the ball "at will"Game 2 they only totalled 50 yards on the ground.1st game was an embarassment for the #1 D in the league. Still remember them saying the Wildcat was "gimmicky' and that it didn't belong in the leagueReally? Without looking, tell me how many yards you think Miami ran for that day and how many yards you consider "At Will"As a Miami fan
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
It's not 5 yards more per kick return; I mean per game. Ginn's career average is right in line with the NFL average for kick returners.There are 10 players in the NFL with 100 kick returns over the last three seasons. Ginn is LAST among them in kick return average: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny/THxKB
I think he's fine as a 5th round pick, but I don't think he's any great shakes.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
As a Miami fan
yeah, losing 13-10 entering the 4th quarter to only win 31-27 was a game where we needed icing. The running attack did produce 151 yards on 36 carries which is 4.2 YPC (not bad), but a 53 yard TD against Revis was very important in this game (also he had a 32 yard kick return when the other 2 guys averaged 17 per kick return). In the 2nd game against the Jets the final score was 30-25 so all icing was needed again. In fact, in this game the Dolphins running attack was atrocious. They rushed 19 times for 57 yards! This is the game where Miami had no offense, but Ginn returned to kicks for TD's.So, no, your comments are even close to accurate
EBF
Footballguy
My hunch is that Morgan will remain a starter. He was overrated last season and in 2008 by people looking for a trendy sleeper pick. He's not as good as Crabtree and he won't be the #1 target on this team, but he's quietly become a solid NFL starter. He's built like a rock and is a very fluid athlete (although he lacks deep speed). He's a slightly lesser version of Marques Colston. My take on the Ginn acquistion: his main value will be on KR/PR, but he will also have a role in the passing offense. Crabtree and Morgan are both good starters, but neither one can stretch the field vertically. Ginn gives the Niners a receiver with legitimate downfield speed. He will not catch many balls, but he will make a few big plays like he usually does. The biggest loser here is Jason Hill. Hill was poised to become the WR3, but he has just never been able to win over the management despite playing pretty well when given opportunities. He's an example of a guy who doesn't play up to his 40 speed (he ran 4.32 but plays like a 4.55 guy). At this point I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut before the season. He could catch on elsewhere.
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Dexter Manley
Footballguy
I think the Fish got fair value for Ginn and it's a good deal for the 49ers which could turn into a great deal for them if Ginn ever learns how to catch.
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Footballguy
As a Miami fan
It's really sad when in order to feel good about getting a 5th for Ginn that someone has to make up/alter/distort facts.
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Footballguy
Find me one Miami fan that is not thrilled with getting a 5th rd pick for Ginn.
With that said - I wish him the best in SF.
With that said - I wish him the best in SF.
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Footballguy
This is what you should have said at first instead of distorting and falsifying facts. Hopefully you learned your lesson.
hxperson
Footballguy
I tend to agree with you. While Ginn was obviously disappointing and his drops drove me crazy, he did have his usefulness in the return game and had some potential to improve as a receiver. I don't see the benefit of "getting rid of him at all costs" or why dumping him for nothing should make me happy.This was the problem with Dolphin fans. They were so upset they didn't get "Randy Moss" with their pick, yet if he were a 4th round pick they would have said he has potential. Again the only reason Ginn had all this venom at him is because people expected 1st round production. If he were a 4th round pick people would see some potential and improvement. Even in a bad year he dominated the hated Jets and was the only receiver in the league to burn Revis deep all year! He also took 2 to the house...again in a bad year. Bad value trade for Miami IMO.As a Miami fan
hxperson
Footballguy
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Footballguy
Enjoy that 1st kick return when he talkes it out of bounds.I can't think straight right now . . . the Dolphins just went from Ted Ginn to Brandon Marshall at WR1.Oh and . . . . .
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Footballguy
Really dude?"potential to improve as a receiver" ????When was he supposed to start acting like a WR1 - after he tuned 30?
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I happen to be a Miami fan! I think Ginn was wrongfully abused just because the Dolphins took him too early. I also think that having a horrible match to his skill sets in Pennington stunted his growth because he was behind the defense on numerous occasions and Pennington simply could not get him the ball. Then he had a new QB and new coaches. Now those are excuses and a better receiver wouldn't need to make those excuses, but Ginn is kind of a one trick pony. He is a post, fly and comeback route type of guy. He also is a good kick off guy because he has elite long speed. Ginn never had issues with drops in the past so I think some of that was an aberration. he still does not cut and come out of breaks fast, but he surely can stretch the field and a QB who can throw deep can get his some big plays.I think he should have been kept for a 5th round pick, he is worth more than that IMO. SF made a good deal
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Footballguy
The Jets and Patriots are going to both knock the snot out of the Dolphins. Enjoy Brandon Marshall, he's great but you still ain't making the playoffs.Enjoy that 1st kick return when he talkes it out of bounds.I can't think straight right now . . . the Dolphins just went from Ted Ginn to Brandon Marshall at WR1.Oh and . . . . .
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
in Miami, yes. At the Meadowlands, not so much (that game was all Ginn's returns for Miami).As a Miami fan
He and his whole family for any type of pick is a good deal. As a WR4 or WR5 and a returner he is fine but the pick we spent on him irked the fan base for too long.
FANTASTIC news Dolphin fans !!!! Good riddance Ted Ginn.
Can't believe a team gave up a draft pick for him.
And for those that commented that he single handily beat the Jets last year . . . . The Dolphins ran all over the Jets last year . . . marched down the field at will. Ginn TD's were just icing on the cake.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
That didn't take long. Good move for the 49ers. Solid return man and still a very young receiver that could improve quite a bit. I just don't see the upside for the Dolphins.
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Footballguy
The Jets and Patriots are going to both knock the snot out of the Dolphins. Enjoy Brandon Marshall, he's great but you still ain't making the playoffs.Enjoy that 1st kick return when he talkes it out of bounds.I can't think straight right now . . . the Dolphins just went from Ted Ginn to Brandon Marshall at WR1.Oh and . . . . .
Your bait has lost its stink.Now excuse me - it's time for Happy Hour - gotta do a few "Ted Ginn is not our #1 WR anymore" shots.
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Footballguy
Ginn missed the plane to San Fran this afternoon . . .
He dropped his ticket.
He dropped his ticket.
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Footballguy
LOL. Funny.Future headline...Marshall missed the bus to the stadium...He got put in jail for beating on his new wife.Ginn missed the plane to San Fran this afternoon . . . He dropped his ticket.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why would dumping a former first round pick that has shown "flashes" of ability at least for virtually nothing make you happy? After landing Marshall it's not like the team was going to rely on him as a WR1. He could have still been a better than average KR/PR and situational WR.
Abrantes
Footballguy
He just got traded for a fifth round pick. The Niners don't need him to be a WR1, nor are they likely to expect it. If he contributes as a returner and situational deep threat, that's all they need. Inflated expectations don't inluence the trade.=Smackdown= said:Really dude?"potential to improve as a receiver" ????When was he supposed to start acting like a WR1 - after he tuned 30?hxperson said:=Smackdown= said:
Buffaloes
Footballguy
He doesn't have to be a WR1 to have value for the team. It doesn't seem like a great trae from the Miami side of things but I supposed we shall see.=Smackdown= said:Really dude?"potential to improve as a receiver" ????When was he supposed to start acting like a WR1 - after he tuned 30?hxperson said:=Smackdown= said:
hxperson
Footballguy
Devery Henderson had poor hands when he first came into the league and, while he's still not good, he has improved over the years. Why is it unreasonable to think that his hands could improve, or that his route running can improve? I'm not saying he has potential to be a WR1, or even WR2. In terms of raw talent, he likely has more than anyone the Fish could draft in the 5th round.=Smackdown= said:Really dude?"potential to improve as a receiver" ????When was he supposed to start acting like a WR1 - after he tuned 30?hxperson said:=Smackdown= said:
Reaper
Footballguy
=Smackdown= said:Multiple Scores said:The Jets and Patriots are going to both knock the snot out of the Dolphins. Enjoy Brandon Marshall, he's great but you still ain't making the playoffs.=Smackdown= said:Enjoy that 1st kick return when he talkes it out of bounds.I can't think straight right now . . . the Dolphins just went from Ted Ginn to Brandon Marshall at WR1.Oh and . . . . .Multiple Scores said:
You go off in the Holmes thread about some made up Jet fan jubilance in a thread full of Steeler haters and maybe 4 Jets fans.... and then proceed to wear out the dancing Pickle icon just days later all while making up #### and embellishing along the way..... 
You drinking alone or at a bar? - I might be out later, you owe me shots for being a tool.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I'm glad they got something for him. I hated the pick from minute one. All this talk about potential and what if he runs better routes? Save it. Ginn is an awful fooball player. He's very, very fast. That's it. He can't catch, run routes, and is afraid of contact. Good riddance.
I agree with the posts saying this makes Spiller less likely in the first. The rationale behind burning a first on him was always that he would make up for only getting a few snaps on offense per game by touching the ball a lot on ST. With another competent returner, there's less need to reach and fill that role.
I think Hill or B. Jones will not make it to opening day now with SF. Seems Ginn's skillset most overlaps with Jones of the two of those guys, so my guess is that Jones is the one with the most to worry about.
I think Hill or B. Jones will not make it to opening day now with SF. Seems Ginn's skillset most overlaps with Jones of the two of those guys, so my guess is that Jones is the one with the most to worry about.
49erBamBam52
Footballguy
to answer this i would say take a look at the niners vs seattle game (in seattle) this past year and tell me if Ginn isnt a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade over fools that cant even shore up a fair catch... with even with 5 yards extra per return (and therefore not turning it over), the niners win that game and possibly the division...definately worth a 5th rd-er to me!!!!BAMChase Stuart said:
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
I think it was a pretty good deal for the 49ers. They get a competent returner in exchange for a chance at a competent returner with their 5th round pick. He is as much of a deep threat as a poor man's Ashley Lelie, which is to say he really isn't since the QB won't think he'll catch the ball when it arrives to him. But he can sure run down the field quickly.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Ginn I would definitely file under one of those "enigmatic" players who can make spectacular plays only to be followed up by 2 boneheaded ones leaving you going wtf was that?
In a ways he's sort of like Vernon Davis pre-2009. High draft pick, made great plays, but no consistency, toughness questioned (Vernon used to alligator arm alot of passes up the middle)
Hopefully Sing can work up some of the same magic he did with VD. Overall though, low risk, good upside trade for the niners.
In a ways he's sort of like Vernon Davis pre-2009. High draft pick, made great plays, but no consistency, toughness questioned (Vernon used to alligator arm alot of passes up the middle)
Hopefully Sing can work up some of the same magic he did with VD. Overall though, low risk, good upside trade for the niners.
Ghost of Bill Walsh
Footballguy
Ginn will pay dividends right away for the 49ers. 5th round pick was worth what he'll bring in to help the Niners. I firmly believe the Niners now think that Spiller won't make it to them at 13 thus they trade for Ginn to cover that need should Spiller be gone. Now if Spiller's still there come 13 what do we do?
I'd still like to draft Spiller but I understand the need areas that are very important to take care of if we plan on doing some winning this year. Now if CB Joe Haden's there we gotta take him. The #1 ranked CB in the draft. So, the secondary gets what they need now it's on to the O-Line.
Pick #17 the 49ers select QB Jimmy Clausen If the Niners think he can be their guy for the future I'll stand by them making the pick but I'm not jumping up and down with joy over the move. Todd McShay has the 49ers taking Clausen at 17. Now they got 4 QB's,Clausen,Smith,Carr & Davis. Which one says "BYE"?If they take Clausen with their 2nd first round pick they can still get a serviceable OL in the 2nd round. Does Clausen start right away. I'd say yes and get rid of Davis. Smith is gonna be fuming. How's Singletary gonna handle THAT in the locker room. Aside from NOT taking Clausen at 17 if OT Anthony Davis is sittin' around they need to grab him. Then adressing the secondary and O-ine will have been fulfilled.
So with no Spiller if they get out of the first round with CB Joe Haden and OT Anthony Davis I'll be happily awaiting for the season to begin.
I'd still like to draft Spiller but I understand the need areas that are very important to take care of if we plan on doing some winning this year. Now if CB Joe Haden's there we gotta take him. The #1 ranked CB in the draft. So, the secondary gets what they need now it's on to the O-Line.
Pick #17 the 49ers select QB Jimmy Clausen
If the Niners think he can be their guy for the future I'll stand by them making the pick but I'm not jumping up and down with joy over the move. Todd McShay has the 49ers taking Clausen at 17. Now they got 4 QB's,Clausen,Smith,Carr & Davis. Which one says "BYE"?If they take Clausen with their 2nd first round pick they can still get a serviceable OL in the 2nd round. Does Clausen start right away. I'd say yes and get rid of Davis. Smith is gonna be fuming. How's Singletary gonna handle THAT in the locker room. Aside from NOT taking Clausen at 17 if OT Anthony Davis is sittin' around they need to grab him. Then adressing the secondary and O-ine will have been fulfilled.So with no Spiller if they get out of the first round with CB Joe Haden and OT Anthony Davis I'll be happily awaiting for the season to begin.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Thanks Cam
San Fran got a nice returner but SF fans have no delusions about what Teddy Ginn Jr is...a PR/KR specialist that can absolutely turn games like he did against the Jets, but to rely on him to catch passes...no way. He could be a decent WR3/4 to run fly patterns a few times a game but it's about 50/50 at best if he can catch it even when it is thrown on the money.
San Fran got a nice returner but SF fans have no delusions about what Teddy Ginn Jr is...a PR/KR specialist that can absolutely turn games like he did against the Jets, but to rely on him to catch passes...no way. He could be a decent WR3/4 to run fly patterns a few times a game but it's about 50/50 at best if he can catch it even when it is thrown on the money.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
That is why he will never be a Hester in the return game...Hester was not afraid to run up the middle, neither was Sanders but he ddidn't like to get tackled. Ginn really is shy about contact and that makes a lot of his returns pretty suspect. He litrally pulled up last year on return and would jet for the sidelines. I don't want to be Mr Illwill on his way out but he was an eye sore for Miami and the last piece of Cam Cameron running this team into the ground in a matter of...you know what, actually it really wasn't all Cam's fault not by a longshot but he was the wrong guy for the problems we had. We got the right guy in parcells, at least we look like an NfL franchise again.
I hope TGJr kicks butt in San Fran, I really do. Stick it to us Phinsfans and show us what we had when we traded you. We have tossed away guys like Chambers, Welker, granted we got draft picks but those guys have gone on and competed and Welker is a Pro Bowl WR now...I hope he does well. But I don't see a threat to Crabtree or even Josh Morgan right now.
David Dodds
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Excellent move by the 49ers with very low (to no) risk. This gets them thinking away from RB. This team is a lot closer to being very good than people might realize. Ginn was in a lose situation with Miami. The Dolphins badly reached for him at #9 overall and he was never going to ever live up to those expectations. And with Brandon Marshall inked longterm, Ginn was likely going to be cut.
Even if all he does is return kicks he's worth a 5th round pick. Anything else he does is just gravy at that price.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I'm just glad the niners finally have someone with a 92+ speed rating in madden now.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
He's up there with Eric Kumerow, another OSU Bust.
Horsec
Footballguy
He will be their WR2/slot receiver. He is just not made to be a numbe one. His productivity should increase just because he isn't a WR1 right now. He will be the return man of course too. Whether he actually does produce, who can know? Alex Smith is an important modifier as well.
As if it really matters--they gave up so little for him a little production should make the trade worth it.
As if it really matters--they gave up so little for him a little production should make the trade worth it.
