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Michael Bush injures finger (1 Viewer)

I saw that, and then I looked it up, but have no idea what the recovery time is for this. According to a beat reporter Cable barely mentioned bush, and said that DMC was ready to carry the load, and even said he looked good the other night.

It's looking highly unlikely that bush will be the starter come week 1, and DMC gets another chance to turn things around.

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now i see the post above mine...4-6 weeks is not looking good for bush.

 
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So give us the scoop, we already know where rotoworld and the contra costa times are. At least clip some ####.

And ace the sig, Ace, that thing is ridiculous.

 
BRONG said:
So give us the scoop, we already know where rotoworld and the contra costa times are. At least clip some ####.And ace the sig, Ace, that thing is ridiculous.
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i agree. cribbs as the top receiver? ridiculous
 
Bush says he has `Bennett fracture’

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

Tuesday, August 31st, 2010 at 4:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders running back Michael Bush said on his Twitter account Tuesday he underwent surgery the previous day that included the insertion of screws in his left thumb to repair a fracture.

Bush even gave it a name. It’s a “Bennett fracture,” which perhaps is fitting since teammate Michael Bennett was the one helping him tie his shoes in the locker room Saturday night.

According to an orthopedics web site, treatment for a Bennett fracture includes surgery if the joint surface is out of position to properly align bone fragments.

Bush gave no time frame for his return.

 
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League Scoring

Completions: 1

Passing Yards: 50 yards per point

Passing Touchdowns: 6

Rushing Attempts: 1

Rushing Yards: 25 yards per point

Rushing Touchdowns: 6

Receptions: 1

Reception Yards: 25 yards per point

Reception Touchdowns: 6

Return Yards: 10 yards per point

Return Touchdowns: 6

Tackle Solo: 4

Tackle Assist: 1

Sack: 5

Interception: 3

Fumble Force: 2

Fumble Recovery: 2

Defensive Touchdown: 6

Safety: 2

Pass Defended: 2

Block Kick: 2

12-Team League - Re-Draft

1 QB - 2 WR - 2 RB - 1 TE - 1 RB/WR/TE - 1 LB - 1 DB - 1 D (Any Defensive Player)

QB: Matt Schaub, Vince Young

WR: Joshua Cribbs, Brad Smith, Ted Ginn Jr., Brandon Tate

TE: Dallas Clark

K:

DEF: CLE

RB: Cedric Benson, Jahvid Best, C.J. Spiller, Ricky Williams, Brandon Jackson, Rashad Jennings, Kareem Huggins

LB: Karlos Dansby, Stephen Tulloch, DeAndre Levy, Daryl Washington

DB: Erik Coleman, LaRon Landry, Ellis Hobbs

Awesome.

 
LOL sorry didn't mean to piss so many people off, and Cribbs in my league is the number 1 receiver in case you didn't notice I get 1 point for every 10 return yards.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
League ScoringCompletions: 1 Passing Yards: 50 yards per point Passing Touchdowns: 6 Rushing Attempts: 1 Rushing Yards: 25 yards per point Rushing Touchdowns: 6 Receptions: 1 Reception Yards: 25 yards per point Reception Touchdowns: 6 Return Yards: 10 yards per point Return Touchdowns: 6Tackle Solo: 4Tackle Assist: 1 Sack: 5 Interception: 3Fumble Force: 2Fumble Recovery: 2Defensive Touchdown: 6Safety: 2Pass Defended: 2Block Kick: 212-Team League - Re-Draft1 QB - 2 WR - 2 RB - 1 TE - 1 RB/WR/TE - 1 LB - 1 DB - 1 D (Any Defensive Player)QB: Matt Schaub, Vince YoungWR: Joshua Cribbs, Brad Smith, Ted Ginn Jr., Brandon TateTE: Dallas ClarkK: DEF: CLERB: Cedric Benson, Jahvid Best, C.J. Spiller, Ricky Williams, Brandon Jackson, Rashad Jennings, Kareem HugginsLB: Karlos Dansby, Stephen Tulloch, DeAndre Levy, Daryl WashingtonDB: Erik Coleman, LaRon Landry, Ellis HobbsAwesome.
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A good thread ruined.

We have a bunch of orthos/pt guys in here, hopefully they weigh in. Doesn't sound good :confused:

http://www.sportsmd.com/Articles/id/17.aspx

Treatment

How is a Bennett's fracture treated in athletes?

Since Dr. Bennett first described the fracture that bears his name, many authors have advocated for different methods of treatment. Much of the past scientific data on treatment is conflicting. There is certainly no uniform consensus on what initial fracture treatment results in the best long term outcome. Closed reduction (manipulation) and cast immobilization often leads to satisfactory short-term results without significant functional impairment. However, because of the extension of this fracture into the joint and the significant deforming forces from muscles, worsening fracture step-off and displacement is often seen with closed treatment methods. This is typically poorly tolerated by high level athletes, particularly in the dominant hand. If an adequate closed reduction is achieved, cast treatment may be a reasonable option provided the fracture is carefully followed and that the reduction (“good alignment of the bones”) can be maintained.

Some of the more recent literature looking at long-term follow-up has suggested that surgical treatment to restore near perfect or perfect alignment of the bones (“anatomic reduction”) results in lower rates of arthritis. Unfortunately, the correlation is not clear in the literature between radiographic arthritic changes and severity of symptoms or need for future operations to address symptomatic thumb arthritis.

More Information: Read about sports injury treatment using the P.R.I.C.E. principle - Protection, Rest, Icing, Compression, Elevation.

What if I need surgery to treat my fracture?

Treatment and surgical decision making regarding a Bennett's fracture should be undertaken by an orthopaedic surgeon or a hand surgery specialist who has experience with treating these injuries. When dealing with athletes, it is important for the surgeon to be familiar with the unique demands of the athlete. If it is determined that surgery is appropriate, the surgeon will usually align the bone fragments and use either pins or screws to hold the fracture in place. If the fracture can be reduced without making an incision, often two pins will be placed through poke holes and cut just below the skin. If the surgeon needs to make an incision to “line up” the fracture fragments, either K-wires or screws can be placed through the incision to hold the fracture fragments in place. If wires are used, they can typically be removed after the fracture shows signs of healing, usually at 4 to 6 weeks after surgery. In the athlete, especially the high level athlete, surgical intervention is more effective in stabilizing the fracture and often allows for an earlier return to sport.

Will I need to wear a cast?

If surgery is not needed, a short forearm cast that includes the thumb called a thumb spica cast is typically worn for 6 weeks. If surgery is elected, often for the first 4-6 weeks a thumb spica cast or a thumb spica splint is worn at all times to protect the fracture fragment position until healing occurs. However, each fracture severity and pattern is different. For this reason, the stability of the fracture fixation and the specific requirements of an athlete’s sport have to be carefully considered to create an individualized plan for splinting or casting.

When can I return to sports?

To answer this question, many factors have to be considered. First, the stability of the fracture after surgical treatment or nonoperative treatment has to be determined. For example, if a large fracture fragment was solidly repaired with multiple screws, the surgeon may have confidence releasing an athlete to activity sooner. In the same way, the level of athletic participation needs to be considered. The type of sporting activity also is an important factor in determining return to play. Bennett fractures are commonly seen as football injuries. If an NFL offensive lineman has a Bennett's fracture in the non-dominant hand and is surgically treated, he may be able to return to competitive play in 4 weeks and play with a padded cast or splint in place. If this same fracture occurred in the dominant hand of a quarterback, his time out of competitive play would be significantly longer. This is because the activity of accurately throwing a football requires more function from the thumb CMC joint and wearing a cast/splint is ineffective. Ultimately, the decision on when to return to sports should be determined on a case-by-case basis after careful evaluation by the treating surgeon and athlete.

If you suspect that you have a Bennett's fracture, it is critical to seek the urgent consultation of a local sports injuries doctor for appropriate care. To locate a top doctor or physical therapist in your area, please visit our Find a Sports Medicine Doctor or Physical Therapist Near You section.
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Yeah sorry for the sig I've had the same format since I joined about a year ago never got any flack for it lol.

 
nysportsfan said:
A good thread ruined.

We have a bunch of orthos/pt guys in here, hopefully they weigh in. Doesn't sound good :lmao:

http://www.sportsmd.com/Articles/id/17.aspx

Treatment

How is a Bennett's fracture treated in athletes?

Since Dr. Bennett first described the fracture that bears his name, many authors have advocated for different methods of treatment. Much of the past scientific data on treatment is conflicting. There is certainly no uniform consensus on what initial fracture treatment results in the best long term outcome. Closed reduction (manipulation) and cast immobilization often leads to satisfactory short-term results without significant functional impairment. However, because of the extension of this fracture into the joint and the significant deforming forces from muscles, worsening fracture step-off and displacement is often seen with closed treatment methods. This is typically poorly tolerated by high level athletes, particularly in the dominant hand. If an adequate closed reduction is achieved, cast treatment may be a reasonable option provided the fracture is carefully followed and that the reduction (“good alignment of the bones”) can be maintained.

Some of the more recent literature looking at long-term follow-up has suggested that surgical treatment to restore near perfect or perfect alignment of the bones (“anatomic reduction”) results in lower rates of arthritis. Unfortunately, the correlation is not clear in the literature between radiographic arthritic changes and severity of symptoms or need for future operations to address symptomatic thumb arthritis.

More Information: Read about sports injury treatment using the P.R.I.C.E. principle - Protection, Rest, Icing, Compression, Elevation.

What if I need surgery to treat my fracture?

Treatment and surgical decision making regarding a Bennett's fracture should be undertaken by an orthopaedic surgeon or a hand surgery specialist who has experience with treating these injuries. When dealing with athletes, it is important for the surgeon to be familiar with the unique demands of the athlete. If it is determined that surgery is appropriate, the surgeon will usually align the bone fragments and use either pins or screws to hold the fracture in place. If the fracture can be reduced without making an incision, often two pins will be placed through poke holes and cut just below the skin. If the surgeon needs to make an incision to “line up” the fracture fragments, either K-wires or screws can be placed through the incision to hold the fracture fragments in place. If wires are used, they can typically be removed after the fracture shows signs of healing, usually at 4 to 6 weeks after surgery. In the athlete, especially the high level athlete, surgical intervention is more effective in stabilizing the fracture and often allows for an earlier return to sport.

Will I need to wear a cast?

If surgery is not needed, a short forearm cast that includes the thumb called a thumb spica cast is typically worn for 6 weeks. If surgery is elected, often for the first 4-6 weeks a thumb spica cast or a thumb spica splint is worn at all times to protect the fracture fragment position until healing occurs. However, each fracture severity and pattern is different. For this reason, the stability of the fracture fixation and the specific requirements of an athlete’s sport have to be carefully considered to create an individualized plan for splinting or casting.

When can I return to sports?

To answer this question, many factors have to be considered. First, the stability of the fracture after surgical treatment or nonoperative treatment has to be determined. For example, if a large fracture fragment was solidly repaired with multiple screws, the surgeon may have confidence releasing an athlete to activity sooner. In the same way, the level of athletic participation needs to be considered. The type of sporting activity also is an important factor in determining return to play. Bennett fractures are commonly seen as football injuries. If an NFL offensive lineman has a Bennett's fracture in the non-dominant hand and is surgically treated, he may be able to return to competitive play in 4 weeks and play with a padded cast or splint in place. If this same fracture occurred in the dominant hand of a quarterback, his time out of competitive play would be significantly longer. This is because the activity of accurately throwing a football requires more function from the thumb CMC joint and wearing a cast/splint is ineffective. Ultimately, the decision on when to return to sports should be determined on a case-by-case basis after careful evaluation by the treating surgeon and athlete.

If you suspect that you have a Bennett's fracture, it is critical to seek the urgent consultation of a local sports injuries doctor for appropriate care. To locate a top doctor or physical therapist in your area, please visit our Find a Sports Medicine Doctor or Physical Therapist Near You section.
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:lmao: Great info here.

 
RB Michael Bush has a "Bennett fracture".

Bennett fractures involve a break at the base of the thumb.

They involve the joint between the thumb metacarpal and a specific wrist bone. Fractures that involve the joints are always more difficult to treat and are at increased risk of an unfavorable outcome.

Fractures can also occur in the long portion of the bone called the metacarpal shaft and we think this is what happened to Bush.

Surgery re-aligned his thumb and had screws put in to align it and keep it in place.

No word on how long healing could take but even with internal fixation a cast or splint could be worn for 2-6 weeks and rehab on the thumb after ward could take 3 months.

Purely speculative at this point.

We don't know how bad or where specifically the break is and exactly the prognosis but its a fairly safe bet he will not be ready week one against the Titans in 11 days no matter what Coach Cable alluded to.

This could mean veteran RB Michael Bennett will be joining Darren McFadden in the backfield of at least the opening Titans game in Tennessee unless Oakland looks elsewhere.

Bennett had an impressive camp and played well so far in pre season but chances are Oakland will still miss the power of Bush.

The break comes at a bad time not only for the Raiders but for Bush who is in a contract year.

 
Let's keep it on topic, folks.

As mentioned in other Bush/McFadden threads, there's no way to spin it from being bad news for Bush's fantasy prospects.

Bush has been the better RB over McFadden by a fair stretch, but this injury gives team brass a real chance to see what McFadden can do as the feature back. The only hope for Bush owners/supporters is that McFadden continues to struggle and gives Bush a chance to claim the starting role when he returns. Otherwise, if McFadden does well, Bush may be a true non-factor this year, except maybe as the short-yardage guy.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
League ScoringCompletions: 1 Passing Yards: 50 yards per point Passing Touchdowns: 6 Rushing Attempts: 1 Rushing Yards: 25 yards per point Rushing Touchdowns: 6 Receptions: 1 Reception Yards: 25 yards per point Reception Touchdowns: 6 Return Yards: 10 yards per point Return Touchdowns: 6Tackle Solo: 4Tackle Assist: 1 Sack: 5 Interception: 3Fumble Force: 2Fumble Recovery: 2Defensive Touchdown: 6Safety: 2Pass Defended: 2Block Kick: 212-Team League - Re-Draft1 QB - 2 WR - 2 RB - 1 TE - 1 RB/WR/TE - 1 LB - 1 DB - 1 D (Any Defensive Player)QB: Matt Schaub, Vince YoungWR: Joshua Cribbs, Brad Smith, Ted Ginn Jr., Brandon TateTE: Dallas ClarkK: DEF: CLERB: Cedric Benson, Jahvid Best, C.J. Spiller, Ricky Williams, Brandon Jackson, Rashad Jennings, Kareem HugginsLB: Karlos Dansby, Stephen Tulloch, DeAndre Levy, Daryl WashingtonDB: Erik Coleman, LaRon Landry, Ellis HobbsAwesome.
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You must be kidding , how did you end up with such a bad team..
 
Im a M Bush owner and I dont expect Bush to play for the first game or 2. Im sure he "Could" since ts not his carrying hand but thats a risk. He could fall on his hand, get hit. He got the surgery 2 before the season and recovery time is 4 weeks ( giveor take) just let M Bennet and McFadden take over for the first 2 games and get Bush ready for week 3. Why take the risk.

 
So the initial reports of a Bennett Fracture were wrong? Cable is saying he will be ready for week 1 and doesn't even need a cast? I'm no doctor, but how do you not need a cast if you fracture your thumb?

 
I think the original reports of he dosnet need a cast were incorrect and it wound up being a Bennet Fracture and surgery needed. Cast comes off generally 4 weeks so thats week 2 ish. All goes well he should be ready to go by week 3. I cant see Bennet or McFadden as a real threat to his starting job BUT anything can happen. Michaeal Bennet can have 2 100 yard games and then who knows.

 
damageinc said:
I cant see Bennet or McFadden as a real threat to his starting job BUT anything can happen.
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Bennett no, but McFadden is definitely a threat.As mentioned, the team wants nothing more than McFadden to justify his #4 overall selection and avoid being another Jamarcus Russell bust. McFadden is going to get every opportunity from what it seems, and with Bush out likely to be the true feature back for the time being. Whether he can succeed is anyone's guess, although early returns have obviously been poor.
 
damageinc said:
I think the original reports of he dosnet need a cast were incorrect and it wound up being a Bennet Fracture and surgery needed. Cast comes off generally 4 weeks so thats week 2 ish. All goes well he should be ready to go by week 3. I cant see Bennet or McFadden as a real threat to his starting job BUT anything can happen. Michaeal Bennet can have 2 100 yard games and then who knows.
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Okay so if it is a Bennett Fracture, doesn't it sound like he'll need some rehab time? Taking the cast of by week 2 and playing week 3 sounds pretty optimistic doesn't it?
 
I personaly see M Bennet as more a threat then MCfadden who is a scrub ( as a RB) .McFadden can get 25 carries and his line will look like 25-32 yards. but he will have 70 yards recieving. McFadden is a really good reciever . Just my opinion.

And yes week 3 seems optomistic but Cable said he might play week one so were all in the dark a bit. If he practices next week that will tell us something. the thing is guys have played with cast on there hands. even running backs. he just cant switch hands. The injury is not to his carring hand. But it also leaves the risk of hurting the hand if it gets hit and also I figure removes the Stiff Arm from his plays. he may play week 1 like Cable stated BUT I doubt it .

 
Well this is it. This is D.Mac's opportunity to be the "guy".

It's now or never.

 
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damageinc said:
I personaly see M Bennet as more a threat then MCfadden who is a scrub ( as a RB) .
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I can't see Bennett taking the job. The guy is a true journeyman at this point, and beyond his one 1200 yard season early in his career with the Vikes, has done nothing to distinguish himself. His only strength was his straight line speed, and one has to think that has mostly dissipated at this stage of the game.
 
I agree just he has looked pretty decent in pre season while McFadden really showed nothing in his one game or his career. They need to use McFadden as to his abilities , screen passes, sweeps outside. 3 rd and long etceven in the wildcat . He is a seriously good reciever. just cant run up the middle. He also has a good throwing arm I read. Wildcat for him would be great. McFdden is a talent. Hes like R Bush and needs to be used like that. Then he would be a threat and a great player for PPR leagues.

 
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I think Michael Bennett and McFadden will split carries with Bush out. McFadden is too awful to carry the full load.

Also, don't be surprised if Rock Cartwright gets some carries.

 
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zamboni said:
damageinc said:
I personaly see M Bennet as more a threat then MCfadden who is a scrub ( as a RB) .
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I can't see Bennett taking the job. The guy is a true journeyman at this point, and beyond his one 1200 yard season early in his career with the Vikes, has done nothing to distinguish himself. His only strength was his straight line speed, and one has to think that has mostly dissipated at this stage of the game.
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Does this seem ironic to anyone else when discussing McFadden's competition?
 
damageinc said:
I think the original reports of he dosnet need a cast were incorrect and it wound up being a Bennet Fracture and surgery needed. Cast comes off generally 4 weeks so thats week 2 ish. All goes well he should be ready to go by week 3. I cant see Bennet or McFadden as a real threat to his starting job BUT anything can happen. Michaeal Bennet can have 2 100 yard games and then who knows.
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McFadden has averaged 3.9 yards a carry and has been a solid receiver out of the backfield thus far in his career. Of course, we all expected much more after he tore up SEC defenses during his college career, but I'm not ready to completely write him off. A healthy DMC with competent qb play in a division with mediocre defenses....it could happen. Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson are a couple good examples of 1st round rbs that started their careers slowly before becoming relevant. Not saying that will happen with DMC, but it isn't unheard of.
 
latrops said:
damageinc said:
I think the original reports of he dosnet need a cast were incorrect and it wound up being a Bennet Fracture and surgery needed. Cast comes off generally 4 weeks so thats week 2 ish. All goes well he should be ready to go by week 3. I cant see Bennet or McFadden as a real threat to his starting job BUT anything can happen. Michaeal Bennet can have 2 100 yard games and then who knows.
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McFadden has averaged 3.9 yards a carry and has been a solid receiver out of the backfield thus far in his career. Of course, we all expected much more after he tore up SEC defenses during his college career, but I'm not ready to completely write him off. A healthy DMC with competent qb play in a division with mediocre defenses....it could happen. Thomas Jones and Cedric Benson are a couple good examples of 1st round rbs that started their careers slowly before becoming relevant. Not saying that will happen with DMC, but it isn't unheard of.
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Thomas Jones and Ced Ben play low to the ground though. McFadden plays high. And he's not a Jim Brown or Eddie George that can pull it off.
 
damageinc said:
I personaly see M Bennet as more a threat then MCfadden who is a scrub ( as a RB) .McFadden can get 25 carries and his line will look like 25-32 yards. but he will have 70 yards recieving. McFadden is a really good reciever . Just my opinion. And yes week 3 seems optomistic but Cable said he might play week one so were all in the dark a bit. If he practices next week that will tell us something. the thing is guys have played with cast on there hands. even running backs. he just cant switch hands. The injury is not to his carring hand. But it also leaves the risk of hurting the hand if it gets hit and also I figure removes the Stiff Arm from his plays. he may play week 1 like Cable stated BUT I doubt it .
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Look at McFadden's line when he carried a full load before saying he'll average 1 ypc based on the one preseason game you saw. If McFadden is healthy, and gets starter carries, he will produce. Also, Bush is left handed and broke the thumb in his left hand.I think your estimate of how this will break down is really a best case scenario from the pov of someone that owns Bush on a fantasy team. Bush was being overvalued before this, and maybe now he'll come a little more reasonable.
 
Oh sorry I thought I read he carries in both hands and didnt matter which so he can carry in the other hand but if thats the hand that he carries in then thats trouble.

 
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Look at McFadden's line when he carried a full load before saying he'll average 1 ypc based on the one preseason game you saw.
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Other than one big game against Kansas City his rookie year, his lines have not been impressive. His upside is probably around what he did against Houston in week 16 of 2008: 12 carries for 46 yards, 5 catches for 41 yards. His downside is what he did against the chiefs last year: 12 carries for 35 yards, 2 catches for 20 yards.
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If McFadden is healthy, and gets starter carries, he will produce.
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Based on what exactly? In games where McFadden has had over 10 carries, he's had one very good game (week 2 vs KC in 2008), four decent games (week 15 vs NE in 2008; week 16 vs HOU in 2008; week 1 vs SD in 2009; week 15 vs DEN in 2009) and four awful games (week 3 vs BUF in 2008; week 12 vs DEN in 2008; week 2 vs KC in 2009; week 3 vs DEN in 2009).
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I think your estimate of how this will break down is really a best case scenario from the pov of someone that owns Bush on a fantasy team. Bush was being overvalued before this, and maybe now he'll come a little more reasonable.
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Bush is the only NFL-caliber running back on their roster. End of story.
 
damageinc said:
Oh sorry I thought I read he carries in both hands and didnt matter which so he can carry in the other hand but if thats the hand that he carries in then thats trouble.
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He's left handed and it is his left thumb. Would force him to carry the ball in his "off hand" every play of the game. Probably more significant than it sounds considering most his runs are between the tackles into the heart of the defense.
 
Agree and Im not sure the coaches would let him do that. You gotta think he misses 2 or 3 games.

JMJ said:
damageinc said:
Oh sorry I thought I read he carries in both hands and didnt matter which so he can carry in the other hand but if thats the hand that he carries in then thats trouble.
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He's left handed and it is his left thumb. Would force him to carry the ball in his "off hand" every play of the game. Probably more significant than it sounds considering most his runs are between the tackles into the heart of the defense.
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Well, McFadden has an opportunity here. I'm not sure whether he will a) establish himself as a viable FFB option or b) make the Raiders wish Bush wasn't hurt, but for DMC owners, the good news is he will get to show which direction he's headed right away.

I think you can throw out all of the numbers from prior seasons on Bush and McFadden. The Raiders passing game couldn't be any worse, it's better, the numbers will go up.. Question is.. who gets them.

 
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