'bueno said:
'timschochet said:
Unfortunately we have no real birthers in this thread, or so far as I know, in this forum. Not one person is willing to come in here and post, "I believe Barack Obama was born in Kenya!" The closest we have ever gotten is this sort of thing, from several posters:
I think he was probably born here, but why won't he release his birth certificate and end all the speculation? He's obviously hiding SOMETHING.
This is a disappointing cop-out. It allows you to hang on to a pretense of sanity on this issue (a pretense is all it is) while still being sympathetic to the crazies at WorldNetDaily. It reminds me of the people on the gay marriage issue who argue that they're against the government recognizing ANY marriages, which allows them to be opposed without being opposed, if you see what I mean. Sure enough, it's some of the same people making both arguments! Fancy that.
Tim, I'm sorry you aren't nuanced enough to get either argument.The birth certificate issue to me has illuminated an oversight in the FEC process. Let's get it fixed.
And let's get the government out of the love business.
It isn't that hard a concept. You are being very disingenuous. If MacArtist got married, I'd be at the wedding. So your argument is blown away right there.
On the contrary. The fact that you are willing to make an exception for a friend puts your position, IMO, in a worse light, not a better one. You're willing to attend MacArtist's wedding but you're not willing to see the rights she wants for herself granted to all homosexuals on the basis of a principle which you know will never be upheld.As far as the business of this thread, what oversight are you talking about? There is no oversight as far as I can see. It's not a matter of nuance, it's a matter of the creation of conspiracies where there are none.
Given your high intelligence and your useful and thoughtful commentary on a whole host of issues, your position here is frankly disappointing.